Dog Flu Shot: Thoughts from a Vet about H3N8

Written by Jan on December 18, 2009 – 9:52 am

Want to learn more about the dog flu shot? Read this article by my friend, Dr. Paula Terafaj, of Founder’s Vet in Brea.  I think it’s an excellent compainjectionnion to my Truth4Dogs dog flu shot article.  Before you vaccinate, investigate! Also, if you live in the So. Cal. area, check out our Safer Pet Vaccination Seminar at PetSeminar.org. It’s a once in a lifetime educational seminar for pet lovers and vets featuring renowned experts Drs. Jean Dodds and Ron Schultz. All proceeds benefit the study of the rabies vaccine.


“Up to 8% of clinically ill dogs may diefrom complications of canine influenza, H3N8. — quote from a brochure promoting the shot.”

What’s the implication of that jaw dropping statement — or this quote by the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA): “The AVMA believes there is urgent need for an effective canine influenza virus (CIV) vaccine to improve the health and welfare of animals and reduce the financial impacts of canine influenza.” Good grief! Will our dogs drop like flies? What’s up Doc? 

Since I am especially distrustful of medical advice based on studies funded by drug companies pushing their newest wonder drug, backed by financial partners within the medical establishment — listen up! It’s time to read between the lines…

Warnings like this use unfounded fears as motivation:

Up to 8% of clinically ill dogs may die from complications of canine influenza, H3N8.

Notice “up to” and “may die” — that’s a lot of wiggle room for a hyped-up claim. And yes, this statement was the shocking headline on the hand-delivered eight page glossy brochure secretly left on my desk — spotted with impressive graphs, charts, and other interesting data. Strangely, no prediction of a fatal dog epidemic has been made by any ‘expert’ not on Schering-Plough’s payroll.

In bold italics is another twister to the statement:

“The AVMA believes there is urgent need for an effective canine influenza virus vaccine to improve the health and welfare of animals and reduce the financial impacts of canine influenza.”

First of all, improving the health and welfare of animals says nothing about reducing the risk of death or serious complications by the virus. You could also improve the health and welfare of your dog by feeding a better diet! The second implication in this statement, reduce the financial impacts, warns that flu outbreaks could result in loss of business revenues by pet related businesses forced to close their doors temporally to prevent further exposure. Ahhhh — too bad. But this Doc doesn’t follow the money.

Now read the fine print disclosure: Schering-Plough’s newest vaccine darling has been licensed as conditional by the USDA — meaning the data submitted supports a reasonable expectation of efficacy. Since the AVMA has decided to call this conditional vaccine effective, it would be wise to check their stock portfolio. The Canine Influenza Virus-H3N8 (CIV) vaccine will be up for regular licensing in one year unless evidence (provided by an emerging population of dogs soon to fall victim to vaccine junkie vets) shows that it is ineffective and/or results in a higher than acceptable number of adverse reactions. Will your dog be the guinea pig to test its effectiveness and risks?

What you need to know: CIV H3N8 belongs to a syndrome of canine respiratory illnesses and cannot be easily distinguished from garden variety kennel cough!  So, will your vet know if your dog gets the new doggy flu or good old fashioned Bordetella bronchiseptica? Well, since Bordetella (the vaccine given to prevent kennel cough) is just one of 20 different infectious pathogens responsible for kennel cough — probably not. So, out come the common prescription of cough suppressants, antibiotics (if indicated), and rest.

CIV and kennel cough pathogens cause similar symptoms:

  • Coughing
  • Sneezing
  • Fever
  • Nasal discharge
  • Eye discharge

Now for some fact finding:

Canine Influenza Virus (CIV) was first reported in March 2003 in Florida — when racing greyhounds became mysteriously ill. This virus appears to have mutated from an equine virus to infect canines. Here’s the likely scenario: racing greyhounds on race tracks in contact with horses (add in the stress of being raced for profits!) provided a ripe opportunity for the equine virus to jump species. Similar to the bird flu and swine flu — a phenomenon well documented. Reality check: Flu viruses are most likely to make you sick and deaths from complications are rare. Those most susceptible to viruses are the young (immature immune systems) or those that cannot mount an effective immune response — poor health due to illness and other stresses on the immune system.

Does that make you or your dog a sitting duck for flu viruses? NO! You can take active measures to improve immune function and fight off viral attacks. Start with the best diet you can afford — good health starts with good food! For all my diet recommendations, browse articles posted under Nutrition: Facts and Fiction.

Next, add proven immune boosters like medicinal mushrooms.* Powerful mushroom combo’s containing Maitake (Grifola frondosa), Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum), Cordyceps (Cordyceps sinensis), Shiitake (Lentinula edodes) and The Turkey Tail (Trametes versicolor) have earned a respectable place in my preventive medicine cabinet.

Here are two of my favorites:

Host Defense by New Chapter

RM-10 by Garden of Life (also contains antioxidants known to boost immune response)

*strongly recommended as part of a natural arsenal against cancer

And for my book club fans — here’s a fantastic book about how mushrooms can heal our world: Mycelium Running: How Mushrooms Can Help Save the World by Paul Stamets. Anyone interested in natural solutions for global pollution, deforestation and environmental health challenges will find this book an invaluable resource.

You can also increase protective efforts by adding antioxidant combos with supplements that contain the “ACES”: beta carotene (provitamin A), vitamin C, vitamin E and Selenium. Remember that plants are natural sources of immune boosting antioxidants. Colorful veggies (orange carrots, yellow squash and green broccoli) and fruits — most notably the berries (blueberry, strawberry, raspberry, and blackberry) offer many natural health benefits. Food as medicine is Nature’s best bargain for health!

Take home point: Closed environments are required to spread canine influenza virus and other contagious respiratory pathogens — making shelters, boarding kennels, breeding facilities, and pet shops the most likely targets. The dog that sleeps on your bed, plays in dog parks and romps around the neighborhood is not considered to be at risk.

Word to the wise: Become an informed health care consumer — not easy money from those who stand to profit the most, Big Pharma and the doctors they seduce. Digging for the truth about the new flu vaccine, pet health advocate Jan Rasmussen interviewed several vaccine experts and reported: respiratory vaccines have dubious effectiveness and known propensity to adverse reactions. More info on Jan’s blog: Truth 4 Dogs. You can always count on Jan to blow a lot of whistles!

In conclusion, my dogs won’t be getting the new doggy flu shot, nor will I be standing in any swine flu shot line. We are popping mushroom capsules and eating wholesome foods with an extra helping of fruits and veggies. I am also washing my hands a lot more and avoiding people as much as possible .

Here’s an additional comment made by Dr. Terfaj in response to a question:

f a dog has been ill for less than 4 days, nasal and pharyngeal swab submission for Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) testing can be performed. If the PCR indicates a positive result, the dog is most likely infected. Negative PCR results may be falsely negative if the swabs are not collected during the time of peak virus shedding – the first 4 days of illness. Other diagnostic options applicable to dogs that have died from pneumonia are viral culture and PCR analysis using fresh lung and tracheal tissues. Without diagnostic testing there is no way to determine if the cause of respiratory illness you report was due to CIV.

In general, the vaccine is intended for the protection of dogs at risk for exposure to the CI virus, which include those that either participate in activities with many other dogs or are housed in communal facilities, particularly where the virus is prevalent.

If you foster dogs or raise puppies that could have been exposed in a shelter or other type of kennel environment – it is best to isolate those dogs for 7 – 10 days before introducing them to other dogs.

The majority of infected dogs exhibit the mild form of CI. In the mild form, the most common clinical sign is a cough that persists for 10 to 21 days despite treatment with antibiotics and cough suppressants. Most dogs have a soft, moist cough, whereas others have a dry cough that is similar to that induced by Bordetellbronchiseptica/parainfluenza virus infection. Dogs may have a purulent nasal discharge and a low-grade fever. The nasal discharge is usually caused by secondary bacterial infections for which antibiotics should be prescribed. Deaths occur mainly in dogs with the severe form of disease; the mortality rate is thought to be low at 1-5%.

Since I write for the average dog owner the point I wanted to stress is that the canine influenza vaccine is a “lifestyle” vaccine, and is not recommended for household pets with no to minimal risk of exposure.

As always, I encourage all dog owners to make informed decisions before vaccinating.

Related articles f(by Jan Rasmusen):

Dog Flu Vaccine: Do You Really Need a Shot for the H3N8 Canine Virus?
Protecting Dogs From Vaccine Reactions
Vaccinating Small Dogs: Risks Vets Aren’t Revealing

Combination Shots for Dogs: Weapons of Over-Vaccination
Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert?
Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure

Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots

Titer Test: Don’t Vaccinate Your Dog Unnecessarily
Treating Adverse Vaccine Reactions by Jean Dodds, DVM

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8 Comments to “Dog Flu Shot: Thoughts from a Vet about H3N8”


  1. SueMatt Says:

    hey, good post and i also like your page layout too. Bookmarked your site and will stop by again

  2. Jan Says:

    SueMatt, thanks! I’m glad you like the blog. Stop by again soon.

  3. Dr. Patricia Jordan Says:

    Hello Jan, I would like to clear something up from your information you provided about the Canine Flu. The H3N8 did not undergo any “mutation” to infect the dogs. The fact is that this was the first time ever of a full genomic protein sequence jump from the dogs to the horses. The very virus has not changed and this is a first in evolution…..proof that the exact virus that was sprayed up into the noses of the race horses on those tracks that shared locality with the dogs. This is proof positive that the dangers of a virus jumping species without a need for mutational change will soon be coming to humans as well.

    These influenza viruses all originated from the duck intestine and then from ducks to other birds. The horse flu actually came from birds in North Korea thought to have bird flu, the virus sampled by the UN investigator. Interesting as the UN is owner of the intellectual property via WIPO for the majority of these viruses, including H3. The dogs that get the canine flu vaccine will be shedding virus and this is a danger directly to every mammal that shares a house with the vaccinated dog.

    I am going to privately email you a very long article by Dr. Micahel Fox that spells out the “big picture” problems with this laxity between the AVMA, Internet Schering Plough and every veterinarin that engages with the circulation of this virus through vaccination.

    Sincerely,
    Dr. Jordan

  4. Jan Says:

    Thanks for much for the clarification, Patricia. I want to let readers know that you’ve written a wonderful, startling book on vaccination. They can buy the e-book Mark of the Beast at http://dr-jordan.com/ or the hardcover at Amazon.

  5. Joy AnimalLover Says:

    Thanks much for this great site and wealth of info. Appreciate the insight into vaccines and their dangers. You helped me decide NOT to vaccinate our 5 dogs. Dr. Jordan’s site looks awesome also!

  6. Jan Says:

    Joy, I’m delighted my Truth4Dogs.com blog has been useful. If you’re near So. Cal., I hope you’ll come to our Safer Pet Vaccination Seminar in March. http://www.petseminar.org It benefits the Rabies Challenge Fund. If you don’t know about the Fund, please check it out at http://www.rabieschallengefund.org.

  7. Terrie Fraum Says:

    I am writing to you to make you aware of a reaction to the New Canine Flu Vaccine. I live in Florida and had my dogs recently vaccinated. My Golden appears to be fine, but my little Shepard mix isn’t doing very well.

    My Vet and I believe the Canine Flu Vaccine has played a role in NICO’s recent illness. The timing and similarities are just too distinctive to be ignored or ruled out.

    NICO was Diagnosed with Immune -Mediated Hemolytic Anemia after receiving the new canine flu vaccine on 12/24/2009. My vet required the dogs be immunized prior to being boarded.

    When I picked NICO up from the vet on Monday 12/28/2009 he was already showing signs of being ill. When he came out to me he was barking in a strange way. It was almost like a yelping type of bark and he seemed stressed. ( A very unusual behavior that was not noted on any previous boarding’s). When I walked him to the car he wouldn’t jump in. I had to pick him up and I did notice that his back was arched and thought that was a little odd. NICO then laid very quietly in the front seat of my car and remained that way all the way home. Once at home he acted the same way. He was withdrawn, refused to eat and vomited once that evening. He appeared as though he was traumatized. Luc was fine, happy and wanted to play, but NICO did not want any part of that. I thought he was just stressed from being boarded and just needed a day to recuperate. During the night I noticed he was shaking as though he was chilled, so I covered him with a blanket. In the morning his condition did not change. He refused to eat and vomited up what little water he did drink. He appeared to be slightly lethargic and I noticed some weakness in his hind legs. When NICO urinated his urine was noted to be an Orange /Red color I called the vet and NICO was brought in. I also noted the color of his gums appeared pale, not normal. I took him back to my vet. His temp was elevated to 105F. He was jaundice. His Bilirubin was elevated above 10.0. His alk Phos was also elevated. His stool also had an Orange tinge to it. The Vet immediately ran some tests, diagnosed him with Hemolytic Anemia ( AIHA), and was very quick to begin IV fluids and Steroids. It was at that point I started to suspect a reaction to the Canine H3N8 Vaccine.

    As in humans, AIHA in canines can occur as a result of an environmental factor. Canines as well as humans can develop AIHA when they’re exposed to certain environmental triggers. There have been reports of canine AIHA caused by bee stings due to the constituents present in bee venom, infectious agents such as a bacteria, viruses, and parasites. Vaccinations, certain medications, including antibiotics and analgesics, and other toxic agents have been noted as well. Nico was in a very protected enviroment at my Vets Boarding Facility. I seriously doubt he got into anything while boarding which leaves the possibility of a reaction to the flu vaccine.

    Knowing very little about this vaccine I called the Intervet/Schering-Plough to obtain more information and to report a possible reaction. ( This is something I would have done if a human had a reaction to a flu vaccine). Unfortunately they are closed until after the New Year, but they did leave a forwarding number to the ASPCA in case of a possible vaccine related incident such as this. The ASPCA was very concerned and took a report.

    I am a Nurse and my assessment skills do not stop when I leav work. It’s part of who I am, and I tend to jump in and investigate any situation. And when it comes to my family it doesn’t matter whether it is human, canine or feline related, I become very pro-active in finding out what is wrong and what the cause may be.

    After a very long 2 week hosptalization which included IV fluids and 2 blood transfusions. Nico was sent home on 40mg of Prednisone a day and 25 mg of Imurana days plus G.I support which consists of Pepcid, Carafate, Forti-flora, and Reglan. CBC’s and Chem Profiles are done Bi-Weekly. his Total Bili has come down to 0.4 from over 20. His HCT peaked at 43 but has reently dropped to 32. The Vet thinks Nico has developed a small GI Bleed and we recently reduced his Prednisone to 30mg daily. GI support continues.

    My vet and the staff have been supportive and helpful during this recent crisis with NICO. We can only wait, hope and pray that NICO is strong enough to fight this.

    I have contacted the pharmaceutical. They want me to write a letter, which I am doing.

  8. Jan Says:

    Hi Terrie. I’m so sorry for Nico, but fell compelled to note one thing. You wrote: “My vet and the staff have been supportive and helpful during this recent crisis with NICO.”

    I’m sure that’s true, and I’m glad that for once a vet has admitted a problem with a vaccine. But did the vet tell you before vaccinating that this vaccine had only provisional approval and warn you about adverse reactions? The canine flu vaccine has had only limited testing. No one knows if it’s safe or even effective. Not one of my vet friends would give it to client’s pets.

    You may not like my response, and for that I apologize. I wish you and Nico the very best. I hope you’ll keep me informed, and thank you for alerting others.

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