Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure

Written by Jan on April 29, 2009 – 1:00 am

Despite the huge tumor on his mouth, this sweet dog was given 7 shots 4 weeks before this photo was taken. The tumor grew 10-15% after the shots.."

Despite the huge tumor on his mouth, this sweet dog was given 7 shots 4 weeks before this photo was taken. The tumor grew 10-15% after the shots."

All vaccine labels and inserts state that vaccines are for use in “healthy dogs only.” Unfortunately, no one defines “healthy.”

Most knowledgeable vets agree that certain animals should NOT be vaccinated (absent proven, urgent need such as inevitable exposure to a life-threatening disease). These  include, but aren’t limited to, pets with autoimmune disease … pets undergoing chemo, radiation or surgery (even dental cleaning or neutering) … pets with autoimmune disease, cancer, severe allergies and skin diseases … pets fighting an illness or parasites … pets stressed from shipment or a move to a new home … malnourished pets … and dying housebound pets.  Assaulting the immune systems  of these animals with vaccination has been likened to throwing gas on a raging fire.

Vaccination is big business and an old habit.  Dogs and cats need an advocate with common sense (and a strong backbone) to stand up for their pets. That means you!

So why shouldn’t you vaccinate a sick, stressed or geriatric pet? For one thing, the pet may develop adverse reactions ranging from fever to seizures to autoimmune disease to anaphylactic shock  and even death. (Click this link  to see other possible adverse reactions.) Furthermore, shots administered to an unhealthy animal may fail to provide immunity while giving you the false security that your dog is protected.  On top of that, the animal’s immune system, which should be fighting illness, may be diverted to handle the shot.

Vaccine manufacturer Pfizer states, regarding precautions when using their rabies vaccine:  “A protective immune response may not be elicited if animals are incubating an infectious disease, are malnourished or parasitized, are stressed due to shipment or environmental conditions, are otherwise immunocompromised….”

According to the University of Nebraska’s  “Understanding Vaccines”: “While it is common to vaccinate stressed animals, these animals are more susceptible to adverse vaccine reactions and frequently do not develop an adequate immune response. Immune stressed animals develop limited protection from vaccination.” states, re the Rabies Vaccine Precautions:  “… level of performance may be affected by conditions of use such as stress, weather, nutrition, disease, parasitism, other treatments, individual idiosyncrasies or impaired immunological competency.  These factors should be considered by the user when evaluating product performance or freedom from reactions.”

Even humans are at risk if a rabies shot fails and the animal becomes infected with rabies. So great is the danger of vaccinating sick and chronically-ill pets that many, if not most, state and local health authorities allow a temporary or permanent exemption from rabies vaccination for these pets. Click to learn how to apply for a rabies vaccination exemption.

I asked some veterinarian friends to share their opinions on this issue. (Note: bold blue type was done by me to emphasize important points.) Special thanks to over-vaccination activist Dr. Patricia Jordan for her help in rounding up responses and references.

From Tamara Hebbler, DVM, holistic consulting vet (San Diego):

The most disturbing, relatively routine, veterinary practice is vaccinating ill or compromised animals.  I am appalled that this is still happening yet I hear from my clients that it is more the norm than the exception.

Vaccinating a stressed or ill dog violates our Hippocratic Oath: Above All Do No HarmWhen an animal is going in for surgery or chemo, or has an autoimmune disease or neoplastic condition [a tumor], or even a chronic immune challenge such as allergies or endocrine/metabolic diseases, they are at a high increased risk to an adverse reaction to any vaccine. I liken such vaccination to playing Russian Roulette with an animal’s immune system — with 5 of the 6 barrels loaded, not just 1.

If negative reactions are severe enough, and immediate, most people will connect the reaction to the shot.  However, if the reaction develops over a few weeks or months, you may not tie it to the shot – and your vet probably won’t either. In standard veterinary practice, we have brief appointments and are very busy, I regret to say, treating many of the dis-ease states that we as a profession, with the help of the pet food industry, have created.  It is only through laborious record review that I made the connection.

Be bold and stand up for your pet especially when he or she is not feeling well. Just say NO to vaccinations and start researching and titer testing.

From Jean Hofve, DVM and
Former Editor-in-Chief of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association Journal :

Vaccination puts a tremendous burden on the immune system to mount a protective response. If the response is to be adequate and provide protection against disease, there shouldn’t be any other immune-compromising stresses present. Clearly, an animal already fighting an infection, injury, or other illness is not going to have adequate resources to devote to the vaccine–and it could take away from its ability to fight what’s already there. Chemotherapy and steroids suppress the immune system and deplete its ability to produce a good vaccine response. Even something as seemingly benign as a bath or an elective surgery or dental procedure will reduce body temperature, a stress which can also inhibit the immune system. These are some of the reasons why the directions on every vial of vaccine say “for use in healthy animals only.”

From Michael Dym, VMD:

[Re should you vaccinate sick pets?]: That would depend upon definition of what “sick” is……..Dogs with chronic autoimmune diseases (most of chronic diseases seen in today’s pets) would go under that definition of ill health to me………Most vets ROUTINELY give shots to epileptic pets, dogs with prior histories of mast cell tumors,  cats with autoimmune based diabetes, IBD patients, asthmatic animals, severe skin allergic pets, etc……….They are not healthy in my opinion and should not be vaccinated……….The vaccine companies have themselves legally protected by placing inserts with all vaccines saying “for use in healthy animals only” leaving that legal definition up to often ignorant vets on this topic……. .Follow the dollar signs!!!!…….THAT is the tragedy………

From Stephen R. Blake, DVM  (San Diego)  Author of The Pet Whisperer:

All vaccines come with a label warning from the manufacturer, advising the practitioner to not vaccinate animals who are not healthy. The sad part about this story is the veterinary community has set the bar so low for our animals, that as long as the animal is breathing, you can vaccinate them. I see records with pets who had ear infections, low grade fevers, eye and ear discharges, ear infections, allergic dermatitis, inflammatory bowel disease, abscessed teeth, diarrhea, conjunctivitis, auto immune disease, chronic arthritis, lameness, abscesses, Etc ., when they came to the veterinarian to evaluate their health issues and they were vaccinated in spite of having one or more of these issues. Not only are they vaccinated but for up to 10 different diseases simultaneously.

The clients are not being informed about the potential danger to their pets and are also being told their pets need these vaccinations, when there is no science to support such recommendations. This is not good medical practice and endangers the health of our animal patients…. Supply and demand are the driving forces in any economy for the success or failure of any product. As the public becomes more educated as to the truth about vaccinations, this practice will go the way of the dinosaur.

From  Patricia Monahan Jordan, DVM, CVA, CTCVH & Herbology,
co-author of an upcoming book on the dangers of vaccination Mark of the Beast:

An Australian study found most of the animals undergoing vaccination were not healthy and should not have been receiving vaccines; it is criminal in my book. … So many of our animals are now sick and diseased with autoimmune disease or cancer and yet again get the big jab under the guise that “he is due for rabies.”  …. so many stressed animals, malnourished animals, animals with any health issues should not be just jabbed…….especially with rabies, due to what this vaccination while stressed or immune-compromised means to endangering both the animal and especially the public’s health and exposure risk.

I am sitting on pulled research, each and every one of these cases should be addressed in a court of law and culpable responsibility assigned on the basis of the research already available that these medical disasters are predictable effects of the vaccines….
So what should you do if your dog is unhealthy but “due for shots”? Before you make that appointment, read my article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots Your pet may not even need the recommended shots. (For cat shot info, please visit LittleBigCat and Cat  Also read Titer Test: Don’t Vaccinate Your Dog Unnecessarily.  And if your dog needs vaccination for licensing, ask your vet to apply for a temporary or permanent exemption to the rabies shot.
Unless you know that your dog is 100% well and free of even allergies or dental disease, do NOT go to a shot clinic or give a shot yourself.  An Australian study, reported in “Prevalence of intercurrent disease in dogs and cats presented for vaccination at a veterinary practice,” found: “Fifty-two percent of animals were found to suffer from intercurrent disease and 3% had severe debilitating disease. A thorough clinical examination conducted at the time of routine vaccination appears to be an important element in maintaining companion animal health and welfare.” Failure to determine health, and to put off vaccinating a comprised dog, may well endanger the dog ‘s health or cause the vaccination to fail.
Forearmed with knowledge about vaccine duration of immunity, speak to your vet about postponing shots until your dog is well. You might even print this article for your vet if you find resistance. If you still find resistance, find another vet.
I hope you’ll bookmark this article and share it with friends. Don’t let them make a mistake they may never be able to undo.

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115 Comments to “Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure”

  1. Ramona Says:

    This makes me sick to my stomach…especially since now I truly believe my beautiful companion of 13 years, Sheba, met her demise early due to those vaccinations. She was given vaccinations on November 24, 2008. She had allergies and dry eye for years and was being treated for skin allergies. She also started a new allergin free diet, but started showing signs of a problem in January 2009. We were also giving her Pilocarpine drops in her food twice a day. Early January she began to resist eating the food and started eating stuffed dog toys. She wasn’t eating a lot, but the vet was not concerned because she said Sheba needed to lose weight also. Yes, she was a few pounds overweight, but I was worried about her and voiced concerns several times. On March 8, 2009 Sheba began vomiting throughout the day. She had a huge bacterial infection which could not be brought under control. She crashed at the vet’s office on March 11 just when it seemed she was improving. I’m deeply hurt over her passing and still cry many nights thinking about this sudden illness and can only blame myself for allowing the shots be given to her. I believe the shots combined with the medications is what put an overload on her immune system. An autopsy revealed she had liver cancer, but I wonder now if the shots made that progress quickly. I’m sick over this whole vaccination issue and vow never to allow my other dogs to be vaccinated again. I have a 9 year old Miniature Schnauzer who showed muscle problems in his back legs three months after having his shots and now I’m about to go into a panic hoping nothing bad happens to him.

  2. Jan Says:

    The muscle problems are not uncommon response to the rabies vaccine. As I usually recommend, please find a holistic vet to help. This is not something conventional medicine will have an answer for.

    Don’t panic. Educate yourself. Read all my articles on vaccinating at this blog. Follow the links to other sites. Watch my video at See a knowledgeable vet.

    Hoping won’t do the trick.

    Good luck. And help to educate your friends with dogs.

  3. Dee Moore Says:

    I find this very interesting as I have 2 diabetic dogs with other problems. A few years ago I had a dog also diabetic and the vet told me not to give the vaccines because of her condition and stated that she has had enough vaccines through out the years that she no longer needs them…..

  4. Jan Says:

    At last, a vet who shows some sense when it comes to not vaccinating an unhealthy animal. Wish there were more!

  5. Jan Says:

    Bridget left this post the Rabies Vaccine page. I thought it should also be seen here as a reminder to never let your vet vaccinate before, during or after surgery. And don’t let your vet give other shots with the rabies vaccine. Ever!

    —-I just took my 1 year old bichon-shih tzu mix to the vet today for a suspected ear infection and a rabies vaccination (1 year) since its required by law. he also got a parvo shot. he’s kind of lethargic and yelps when you touch his hind legs. is this a normal reaction? i’m a first time pet owner and i had no idea there were so many possible adverse reactions to the rabies shot and now i’m really worried. any help would be great.

  6. Caroline Says:

    I wish I’d known this two weeks ago. Our kitten, Charlie, was underweight and having diarrhea, so I took him to our vet. Three times. The final time, he stayed there two nights, then they said I could take him home.

    Only after he died did a friend point out that the vet had given our sick, 14-week-old kitten a rabies vaccination, sent him home … and he died within a week. The sweetest animal you can imagine, wanting only to be held or sit on your shoulder all the time. I’ve been crying quite a bit, but haven’t confronted the vet yet.

  7. Caroline Says:

    I’m not certain I want to take our beagle, Harvey, to this vet anymore.

  8. Jan Says:

    Not only wouldn’t I be crushed that your Charlie died, I’d also be furious that my vet violated the legal doctrine of informed consent. That is, vets must fully explain the consequences of any medical procedure. must not vaccinate sick animals and also obtain your written consent BEFORE performing any procedure — including shots. You should report your vet to the local veterinary board, write him/her a scatching letter and change vets.

  9. Joyce Says:

    Bailee – 2 yrs old – got Rabies vaccine at Petco (and by the way they do not do vitals prior to administering) Brought the record to my vet – 6 days latter to her to my regular vet for exam – other boosters and heart worm test – he was way too quick with her no exam other than listening to her heart – she got sick within 20 min – threw up in the car ride home – reported it – said it was common – next day threw up again and would not eat – reported it again – said not to worry common – and to give her chicken and rice – she ate the chicken but appetite clearly off – Sun Mon would not eat weaker – bring her Tues morning – they thought she was poisoned – Did clot test and it was bad – no other exam sent me to emergency clinic – $1400 later they tell me my dog has autoimmune and her kidney spleen bone marrow and liver is cancerous (based on blood test and xray and sonogram – not pathology) recommend euthanize or chemo for $6000 and she may not last the year. So we put her down – a few days later going thru records and receipt to submit to pet insurance I noticed I had been charged for ANOTHER rabies shot at that visit – then I find the certificate and tag buried on the last page – SO she had been given 2 rabies shots within 6 days apart in ERROR – Find out now had we known she might have been able to be treated – now she is in a box of ash – its too late – I never knew these vaccines were so dangerous and trusted my vet with her life – This happening can’t go unnoticed – we need to speak up with our vets and stay informed

  10. Scott Miller Says:

    Just a quick story about my sad experience with a local vet that apparently hasn’t heard this news. I brought my 8 week old pup to the vet the day I got her before bringing her home and he informed me that she had kennel cough. We continued to treat her for this until she was 3 and 1/2 months old. At that time I brought her in for her regularly scheduled check up. The vet and I both agreed that she was improving. I was very clear in telling him several times that she was still congested and coughing to the point of “hacking up” mucous at least 2 or 3 times a day. He said said that we would stop antibiotics and give her an antihistamine to “dry up” her cough. He also said he thought she was well enough to give the rabies vaccine. Not knowing any better, and trusting him, I let him do it. That was Friday. Saturday she seemed very tired. We woke up Sunday to find her almost non-responsive and saw that she had vomitted over night. I immediately took her to the local emergency clinic and they put her on IV fluids and antibiotics and told me she was “crashing”. I picked her up monday morning and took her back to my vet who admitted his responsibility, told me to take her to the animal hospital, and told me he would take care of the bills. I took her to the hospital where they tried valiantly to save her but she passed away that night. Tests showed that there was no parvo or any other contributing factors evident that might have caused her death. Unfortunately, the vet decided afterwards that he was not responsible and told me he was “washing his hands of it”. However, is not that easy for me. I am pursuing the matter leagally to make sure he is held responsible and that the next person does not have to go through the heartbreak and pain that I and my family experienced.

  11. Jan Says:

    Joyce, that’s one of the worst stories I’ve every heard. I hope you’ll do something about it. We have to stop paying vets when they make these terrible mistakes. At the very least, file a claim in small claims court. And report the vet to your local board. Please see the advice I gave Scott Miller a few minutes ago. I hope you’ll become an activist and help keep this from happening. Finally, I am very much against getting any shot, especially a rabies shot, outside of a veterinary clinic. You should have been advised to wait at least half an hour before leaving the area. That dog should have been treated immediately. I’m so very sorry for your loss.

  12. Hazel Says:

    Hello, I was heartbroken when I read some of your stories. I, too, had a similiar situation. I bought my dog from a Pet shop and 2 days later he kept coughing up phelm. I took him to the clinic that the Pet Shop referred me to and they gave me antibiotics. They diagnosed him with a cold. I would drop him off and pick up in the afternoon for 4 days so they can give him Nebulizer. The 4 th day he stopped coughing and they said that he was doing much better. Well, he was fine the 3 day Memorial weekend. But then on Tuesday, he was really hot. His cough came back but now he wouldn’t eat or drink. He just layed around. So later that day I took him to my regular clinic where I take my other 2 dogs. I had an appointment already scheduled for his vaccines later that week since he was feeling better when I set the appt. I brought him in the that Tuesday and told them that he wasn’t feel well. They said his temperture was okay. I asked them about the vaccines and figured they wouldn’t go ahead since he was sick. But the Vet said that it was okay to give him the vaccination. Later that night he got worse. He wasn’t breathing good. I strongly felt he wouldn’t make it past that night. I decided to take him to the Vet ER clinic. They diagnosed him with a Pneomonia. They had him on IV’s and Oxygen. I almost lost him that night. The doctors there were upset that he was given Vaccines while being sick. After a few days at the first cilnic, I had to leave him there overnight for a week at the Pet Shops cost. My puppy finally came home this week and he’s doing great. Till this day I’m not sure if its the Pet Shops fault that they sold me a sick puppy or my regular Vet that vaccinated him. I think they are all to blame. Right now, I’m just relieved and so happy to have my puppy with me again.

  13. Jan Says:

    Hazel, I’m delighted your dog is doing well now. I have a few comments. You wrote: “I asked them about the vaccines and figured they wouldn’t go ahead since he was sick. But the Vet said that it was okay to give him the vaccination.” Your instinct was correct. According to experts and manufacturers, sick dogs should not be vaccinated. Shame on your vet. I hope you change vets and also hope you speak up when something feels wrong. It’s hard to do sometimes, but absolutely essential.

    You also wrote: “I’m not sure if its the Pet Shops fault that they sold me a sick puppy or my regular Vet that vaccinated him.” Well, both. Pet Shops are the WORST places to buy pets. They are often products of cruel puppy mills. Dogs are too often in-bred, sickly, genetically defective, and sometimes a bit crazy. They are not socialized. Sometimes they’re not even handled or allowed to play of their cages. Visit StopPuppyMills for more information. Please also read my article on Find A Healthy Puppy: 10 Steps to Success

    One last thought. Please read my other vaccination articles. Your dog may be prone to vaccine reactions, so you’ll want to learn about when you can avoid shots safely.

  14. Grace Says:

    My new puppy, was taken to the vet today and got her first rabies vaccination. After she came home, she was doing fine except she kept putting her eyes to the ground to itch them. I took her outside to go for a walk and noticed her staring at me. While she was staring, I realized her outer eyes were swollen. So i picked her up and took her back inside, and when i put her down, she put her eyes to the carpet and started itching them again. I decided to research on what it could be.
    I find out, that rabies vaccination is extremely hazardous.

    My vet has not told me ANYTHING about it… Her face is swollen, I fed her some benedryl and I’m hoping she will get better, but I am still worried about what might happen to her.

    I already paid for all of her shots to be taken care of, but I’m afraid that those shots can end her life…….

    I don’t know what to do and I am very scared on what might happen to her…

  15. Jan Says:

    ALLERGIC REACTION TO THE RABIES VACCINE: Grace, your dog is having an allergic reaction to the rabies shot. This can be very dangerous. You MUST report this to your vet immediately and ask for advice. This is an all too common response to the vaccine. You MUST make sure the reaction is recorded in your dog’s file and you MUST get an initialed copy of the file. You’ll want to apply for an exemption next time the shot is due. Learn more on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Also please read our article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots When the immediate crisis has passed, please see a veterinarian trained in homeopathy. See my Find a Veterinarian page for referral lists. If you don’t address the reaction in a timely fashion, it will likely result in a long-term problem.

  16. James Piercey Says:

    Tonight my little dog died from seizures. I can not tell you the heartbreak I have. I loved my little friend so much. He was just 7 years old. This morning he had a seizure and it lasted maybe 30 seconds. I hurried to get his pheno and gave him his usual dose. He seemed ok, but about 2 hours later he had a big seizure and again I gave him more pheno. he came out of it and seemed okay then another hour went by and he had another and then another quite fast. I rushed him to his vet where they gave him larazpam, however spelled, anyway he still had seizures so they injected him with pheno and it knocked him out for a couple of hours after which time i went to see him and he seemed fine, his tail wagging so happy to see me, so the vet said come back and pick him up at 6 I think he will be fine. I returned at 6 to pick him up and they said he had another seizure so they had just medicated him. They handed me a limp dog with no response but they said it was the drugs so I took him home. Thirty minutes later he had a seizure and he stopped breathing. I tried cpr but to no avail. My little buddy is gone and all I can say is why? WHY?

    I am upset with the vet. While he was there for severe seizures the vet decided upon himself it was a good time to vacitnate him and give him all his shots. Why couldn’t that have waited? Also why would he send a dog that sick home? The little guy suffered from separation anxiety so I thought leaving him overnight might not be the best thing to do. I have been going to this vet for years and always trusted him but now i feel he knew my little guy was close to death and sent him home maybe to make sure he got payed which he did. I know I am not in the right state of mind right now but I feel that he knew. His wife who works with him told me she did not want my little guy to go home tonight she was worried about him, but she is not the vet.

    Do any of you think this sounds strange for a vet to do? I know I can not bring my little guy back but I do not feel he should not have died today. I have read forum after forum and have not found one story of a dog dieing like mine did? I read plenty about dogs having seizures and not coming out of them and having to be put to sleep but none like mine. What would you do?

    severly heartbroken, I so loved him. God bless you little friend and thank you for all the joy you brought me while alive. I will forever miss you.

  17. Jan Says:

    DOG HAVING SEIZURES DIES AFTER VACCINATION James, I am heartbroken, too. And I’m even more angry at your vet than you seem to be. When all this sinks in, I’m sure you’ll be livid. Here are some things to consider:

    1. A veterinarian must inform you fully before vaccinating, telling you about the risks and the benefits of the shots (or any medical procedure) and offering alternatives. (You could have surely gotten a medical exemption for rabies vaccination, and your dog was in no shape to get any shot.) This is called the Doctrine of Informed Consent. Your vet violated this doctrine.
    2. A vet takes an oath to “do no harm.” Clearly that oath was violated.
    3. He charged you, apparently, for giving shots you did not authorize him to give.
    4. He vaccinated a dog having seizures — clearly a dog that is not healthy. All vaccine manufacturers say to vaccinate only healthy dogs.

    I suggest you get a copy of your dog’s complete file — every page — immediately. They have to give it to you. If it were me, I’d be nice but also would stand there until I get it. Tell them you want to report the incident to the manufacturer. Make sure you know which brands of vaccines were used and get the lot numbers. Then report the death to the manufacturer. You’ll find instructions on reporting adverse reactions to vaccines on my Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Won’t Tell You page.

    Then, if it were my vet, I’d report him to your local veterinary board. Do let him do this to another dog. Find instructions at my Find a Veterinarian page. You can also sue him, although that’s a long, expensive process and in most states you won’t collect much. Dogs are considered property, although some states are starting to consider your emotional stress. Scout around and see what the laws are like in your state if you’re interested. Sometimes just threatening to sue will at least get your treatment money refunded. For sure, I’d insist on getting back any more you spent on the shots not authorized. (And I’d expect that this vet that you had trusted to suddenly be less friendly.)

    Here are a few questions I’d want to ask, but it’s unlikely your vet will answer. (Be sure to get the file before trying.) Why did the dog need shots then (not only why then, but why ever)? Wouldn’t a titer test have proved immunity? Was the dog in any shape to get the shot? Would the manufacturer agree? Does the vet know nothing about current guidelines of giving shots? Click our blog’s Vaccination link and read some of the articles to get an idea about what happened.

    A friend who’s a veterinary Naturopath said this when I told her your story: “You NEVER, EVER vaccinate a sick animal and one with seizures??? … How can anyone go into a so-called “healing” profession and do things like this?”

    When you get the file, I hope you’ll come back and post a list of what shots he got. Here’s another question. What started the seizures in the beginning? Often, they begin after a rabies shot. Was that connection ever made?

    I hope this helps you some. I send you a hug and a wish that you somehow use this sad situation this to help educate others. Thanks for posting your comment.

  18. Pamela Picard Says:

    James, I am so sorry for your loss. To vaccinate your dog while it was clearly distressed was unconscionable.

    In addition to all the remedial action Jan suggests, pour your heart out in a letter to the editor of your local newspaper and file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

    At some point, veterinarians have got to learn that vaccinating our companion animals needlessly is not only bad medicine, it’s bad business.

  19. dr. patricia jordan Says:

    For James, I am a veterinarian and I believe your vet committed MALPRACTICE and was not only dishonorable, what he did was UNCONCIONABLE. Seizures are often the very result of vaccinations to begin with. Obviously, your companion was in a state of dis ease and not healthy even for vaccination administration. He was also on medication, phenobarbital, and had been administered lorazepam…….the vaccines were administered without informed consent, without full disclosure, in direct violation of the FDA recomendations that are carried on the very insert for the vaccinations.

    Call a lawyer, get his Professional Liability License number and also submit a complaint to his state veterinary medical board. Many seizuring animals and vaccinated animals develop hypothyroidism from the vaccines, and also from the administration of the phenobarb and therefore makes them candidates for the rabies vaccine waiver not the dangerous vaccines. Your vet not only killed your companion, he is endangering the public welfare administering viruses via vaccination to dis eased patients. He obviously has not reason to be trusted with the care of anyone’s pet. It is very sad to have to resort to court cases and state medical board complaints, but until the unscientific and malpractice act of the vaccination habit is stopped, many more companion animals are slated to be killed by the veterinary medical profession.

    James, I apologize for the medical hubris of my profession.

  20. James Piercey Says:

    Thanks all. Yes 3 weeks after his first vaccination they told me he had epelepsi after his first seizure. I am mad and also very sad. I called the state board and went and filed court papers this morn. I also called the local Tv station. I plan to bring him down and I won’t stop with him. In the name of Mike I will spend the rest of my life going after bad vets. I promised my little pal and God and I will not stop until I make a difference. It is now my life goal.
    Here is the list of what was done that resulted in his death., 1 rabies canine, 1 heartworm exam, 1 fecal exam, 1 dhlppc annual, 1 bordeetella intra-trac, 1 iv setup, 2 diazapam injections (tenths), 200 phenobarbital intravenously, and ended with one pedicure I no asked for as well.

    I can not describe the words to how I feel. One way or the other he is going down. He picked the wrong dog lover to mess with this time.

  21. James Piercey Says:

    Sorry my last post was in anger but you were right the anger did hit me hard. Anger is not close to describing how I feel. I am not going to give up on this until some changes are made. The practice of vaccinating our pets just to line their pockets is sick. I always assumed that a vet loved animals and that is why they became one but now i see the ugly head of greed showing itself. If these vets truely loved animals they in no way put them in harms way but for such a small amount of cash they are willing to kill our friends. I am a webmaster and Mikey is getting his own site to help others to not go through this. I am starting an orginazation of pet lovers to stop this kind of pratice. I hope together we can all change the way things are.
    Thank you for your reply Dr jordan and Jan and also Pam. I thank you for the honesty and admire you for not covering up for him . i was very touched.

  22. Jan Says:

    DOES A DOG EVEN NEED ALL THOSE SHOTS? James, getting all the shots your dog got, let alone all at once and while your dog was having seizures, is unbelieveable. Vets should never give rabies shots within weeks of other shots. It is too reactive. Bordetella is also highly reactive, and ineffective. It’s like giving a shot for a cold. It doesn’t work.

    DHLPPC? These are called polyvalent shots (or combos) and too often cause reactions. They are especially dangerous for small dogs. “D” is for distemper. One “P” is parvovirus. These are important shots, but mostly for puppies. One titer test will prove immunity. Your dog was seven and likely had lifetime immunity.

    “L” is Leptospirosis. It’s another highly reactive shot for a disease prevalent only in some parts of the country; there are many strains of disease, but only a limited number of strains in a shot so it may well be ineffective. Many vets never give it. “C” is Coronavirus, a shot “not recommended” by any vet organization. The other “P” is parainfluenza. According to the American Animal Hospital Association Canine Task Force, it lasts at least 3 years and isn’t considered a vaccine all dogs should get. Like Lepto and Bordetella, it’s called a “noncore” vaccine. They are only to be given when need and effectiveness is proven.

  23. James Piercey Says:

    I know now why the vet’s in **** keep getting away with Murder. I called attorneys for two days not one would take an iron clad malpractice suit. Not ONE! I called lawer refferal and the girl there said the same, no attorneys here will take the case as they do not see the dollar signs. She also said she knew the vet I spoke of and had many calls but they all dropped their cases because no attorneys. Tn, passed a law saying attorneys could not specialize, what a crock. So no wonder I never signed a consent form there is no law here. All I could do was make a small claims court filing. WOW… Until that is changed the bad vets will kill at will. If anyone has ideas as what I should do then please HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP me help our pets,.,…. please…. I have done all Jan has said but I need more.

  24. James Piercey Says:

    I forgot in all my frustration to say thanks, but I really appreciate the support from all of you.

  25. Jan Says:

    James, you might see if Harrison Forbes still has a show in Tennessee called Pet Talk. He is a trainer and an advocate of dogs and may be interested in your case. I have appeared on his show, and his new national show, multiple times.

    Also, I have posted a great article on veterinary LIABILITY RELATED TO VACCINATION on my website. You should take a look. It’s written by a vet who is also a veterinarian. This is what vets should tell you.

  26. Monica Taylor, DVM Says:

    James, I am so sorry for your loss!!! It’s sad to realize that there are too many vets out there that don’t follow protocol. In my 20+ years of practice, I have seen things like this happen way too often. I urge you to continue your search for legal representation against this unethical and ignorant man. Good luck, and again, I am so sorry for your loss, it should never have happened. Monica Taylor, D.V.M.

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  28. Roger Lin Says:

    My 10 year old overweight labador/retriever mix recently died. He got out during July 4th fireworks show that happens in a park near my house. I found him at the local shelters and told me his registration is past due and I need to bring proof that his vaccinations are updated but that I could temporary take my dog. My dog looked happy to be home but was a little less active. I took him to the vet 2 weeks after July 4th and updated his shots(bordatella, d/p triennial vacc, rabbies). I talked to the vet about sometimes he would limp and was given deramaxx but never used it. He had some lipomas. I also consented to have a blood work test done on my dog. The first test showed a low thyroid level / hormonal imbalance common in older dogs? They recommend a more thorough test and afterward proscribed Thyroid / Levothyroxine .8mg tablet. He seemed okay. I gave him his heart worm and thyroid medication as prescribed. He seemed the same as before the medication. Everything seemed normal but then he suddenly had difficulty breathing and passed away during the night. Could it be the Levothyroxine, July 4th stress or something unknown happened when he got out, the heart worm pill, something he ate, or the various vaccinations? I plan to talk to the vet regarding the vaccination. Is it likely that rabies or the bordatella booster cause my dogs death a week and a half after vacination?

  29. Jan Says:

    Roger, I’m sorry for your loss. I’m not a vet and know little about Levothyroxine. Read about it at

    I’m more concerned about the d/p triennial shot and am always concerned when a dog gets any other shot or medication with a rabies shot — including worming medication. That’s a lot for the immune system to handle. Read my heartworm medication information articles for more on the heartworm meds.

    Also, it’s unlikely that distemper and parvovirus vaccination was necessary, especially for an older dog. These vaccines give 7 years to lifetime immunity and are primarily diseases of puppies.

    Some vets think the new vaccination guidelines say to vaccinate every three years, but what the studies actually say is to VACCINATE NO MORE OFTEN THAN EVERY THREE YEARS. Furthermore, the mention of three years was a political compromise, not a scientific finding; it was done to keep vets from losing vaccination and office visit money when they stopped vaccinating annually. You can read what the WSAVA and AAHA studies say by clicking the links at the bottom of my vaccination information page.

    Whether all this led to the death of your dog, I can’t say. Both Bordetella and rabies are highly-reactive shots known to cause adverse reactions. It is possible that it was too much handle along with the heartworm medication and stress. You’ll probably never know. Wish I could help further. Take care.

  30. Pat Says:

    I have a 3 month old puppy. He got his shots at 8 wks old. The distemper, parvo etc. No rabies and then about 2 wks later his owner noticed he was loosing his balance at first he appeared just puppy clumsy. But then his back legs started to give out. He is now back with me. His back legs have limited movement, his bark is weak, he appears depressed. This happened to a pup of ours 3 years ago and the neurologist said it was some kind of neurological disorder that was genetic. Same senario , same timing of events. I strongly think it was a reaction to the shots. My intention is to make an appt. next week with a holistic vet. Have you heard of this happening? What else can i do. We are going to put him on a raw meat and bone diet. Pat

  31. Jan Says:

    Pat, according to pet vaccination expert Dr. Jean Dodds: “Post-vaccinal polyneuropathy is a recognized entity associated occasionally with the use of distemper, parvovirus, rabies and presumably other vaccines. This can result in various clinical signs including muscular atrophy, inhibition or interruption of neuronal control of tissue and organ function, muscular excitation, incoordination and weakness, as well as seizures.” I suggest you read her article Treating Adverse Vaccine Reactions by Jean Dodds, DVM at She discusses homeopathy for treatment, which is what most holistic vets recommend. Visit my Find a Good Vet page for referral lists. The sooner you treat the pup, the better. Good luck!

  32. Lis Says:

    I’m wondering if my Sterling is suffering the devasting effects of an unnecessary and unethical rabies vaccine…He is a 6 year old Russian Blue (shelter cat) who was diagnosed with asthma after his first severe bout 3 years ago. We have been able to manage his condition with oral prednisone & a bronchial dialator (?) as most of his symptoms appear in late summer/early fall (allergies). This year, we visited our vet to get a renewal on the steriod prescription and she said, ‘Oh, he’s really overdue for his rabies. Let’s get that done right now’. That little voice in my head said, ‘NO!” but I didn’t listen…my former vet would never vaccinate when he was under stress from the asthma so we always waited until wintertime…But I said nothing….two days later, Sterling was unable to walk, was having trouble breathing & showed signs of an acute upper respiratory infection. It’s been over a week now and he’s showing no signs of improvement. He ‘wobbles’ when he attempts to walk, cannot hold his head up for long and has stopping drinking (though he still eats…the steriods?). Our vet denies any link to the rabies vaccine, though she’s not charged us for 2 nights of hospitalization. He was tested for toxoplasmosis (he is an indoor/outdoor cat when not in distress) which is negative. I’m weaning him off the steriods to see if he has a chance to beat whatever this is without them…but am afraid that I am only being falsely hopeful…my beautiful animal, my best friend, my children’s buddy, is dying….

  33. Jan Says:

    Hi Lis. Any reaction two days after a rabies shot should be suspected to be a reaction to the shot. I would guess that your vet suspects it; while else give free services? Also, the symptoms are familiar: trouble walking is common. You can learn a lot about the rabies vaccine at

    Your best chance is to find a vet who does homeopathy, and do it as soon as possible. It’s the best way to reverse the effects of vaccinosis. There’s a referral list at If you can’t find someone locally, Dr. Kruesi at consults by phone from a case history and blood tests. He treats both my dogs, and I’ve referred many “hard cases” to him; I think he’s quite brilliant. At the very least, your cat needs the homeopathic remedy Lyssin. You can get it at They’ll help you with dosing, but I really urge you to see a homeopathic vet. Your cat has many issues that must be addressed and needs expert advice.

    At you can also learn how to report your vet to your state veterinary board. I don’t believe any vet should be giving a rabies shot to a pet with asthma. No vet should ever give any shot without explaining possible adverse reactions. (Here’s a letter by an attorney/vet about Informed Consent. If it were my vet, I would write her a letter explaining that only healthy animals — according to vaccine manufacturers — should be vaccinated and that she should have explained about reactions. (I also wonder if rabies is even required for cats in your state; it isn’t in many.) Then I’d find another vet.

    I hope you’ll try to educate your vet so that she understands the side effects of the vaccine and stops vaccinating unhealthy animals. I wish you the best of luck with Sterling.

  34. How to Avoid Vaccination Reactions in Dogs | Truth4Dogs Says:

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  36. Sharon Says:

    Heartbroken!! I recieved a 9 week old Rottie for Christmas. He was with us for 11 days (healthy and happy and such a love). I took him to the vet for his check-up at 10 weeks, 1 day were he was given Distemper, Rabies and Lymes vaccination (even the nurse asked vet “are you giving him all 3 shots, not just the 2″ where he replid “yes, he is a big boy” – yeah 15 pounds big!!)

    Needless to say, we get home and 10 hours later, my beautiful baby boy is seizing. He has another seizure and to the vet we go…..checks him and says to take .7cc of valium home with me and if another seizure comes on, give to him and take to hospital for obervation. (vet does write in notes: vx induced??) Needless to say, third seizure in 24 hours comes on and we are on ourway to hospital (New Years Day @ 2:00AM)

    The hospital Dr calls at 8:00AM to say the pup has had another seizure and it was VERY VIOLENT – the WORSE he has ever seen. He speaks to me about all the valium given (and not working)and they started him omn HIGH doses of Anti-Seizure meds. NEW YEARS Day at 9:00PM doctor say he has had yet another violent seizure (witht he strong doses of meds in him) and that we should euthanize the puppy :0( My husband and 6 year old went last night to do so and how sad this all is.

    The vet believes my beautiful puppy was POISONED by the first vet giving him a rabies shot at 10 weeks of age and along with other shots. I was not doing an autopsy BUT the vet insists he does it and pays for it (he already payed me back $200 for cremation cost) and says he NEEDS to now if this vet killed this puppy. I AM “BEYOND” heartbroken. My little boy never had a chance and I blame myself for letting this vet (whom I trusted with my puppy’s care). I wish I had known that he should not have done the shot BEFORE 12 weeks of age and NOT with any other shots. WHAT DID I DO TO MY BABY BOY????????/ I am SO DEVASTATED and sad. My baby never had a chance – he lived for 11 weeks and died and still can’t rest until they allow him to (after autopsy). :0(

  37. Jan Says:

    Sharon, this is about the worst case I’ve ever heard. Vaccinating a puppy against rabies at 10 weeks? Even 4 months, which is required by law many places, is too early. You MUST file a complaint against this vet with your state veterinary board. I’d also file a small claims suit. And tell your local paper.

    Make sure you get your dog’s file from both vets. You’ll need them. If the second vet will help, that would be great. Also, alert all the vaccine manufacturers.

    Don’t blame yourself. You trusted a professional. It’s the vet’s fault, not yours.

    There’s some more info at I wish I could do more to help.

  38. James Piercey Says:

    Well it has been six months since my post about Mikey. I have been waiting on the state board of veternarians and the department of health and today I had a meeting with the Health department. They are going after the veternarian that killed my little guy. The state has read this posting of Mikey’s story and is using it to help in the investigation. Good news is they have a case. Seems that after all the medicine he gave Mikey he decided to do a pedicure and charged me for that as well. The PEDICURE seems to be the straw that broke the vets back. The health department couldn’t believe he did that to my dog. I am sure he has forgotten all about me except for the bill he is threating me over. Think he will rememer me after the health department raids him today? I will never forget or forgive what he has done to Mikey and my family. He is in it for the money and giving a sick and near death animal a pedicure proves it.
    This might get edited but I think people have a right to know who he is and even the health department thinks I should post his name and so here it is. {Sorry, until the case is made by the vet board, or until it’s public knowledge, I can’t publish the name. I wish I could. — Jan]

    Last of all A big big thank you to all the vetenarian’s who posted a reply to Mikey’s story. The health department read them all. Jan thank you from the bottom of my heart and may God bless you for the help you have given me. If not for you nothing would have been done. I can not find the words to thank you enough.

    Now on to the tv stations who have also been waiting to see what the health department will do before airing mikey’s story. I will keep you updated on the outcome.

  39. Jan Says:

    Thanks so much, James, for the update. I’m so glad the board is going after this horrible vet. As soon as the name is made public, come back and let us know.

    I’m so glad that this blog and the vets who commented were helpful in bringing attention to Mikey’s fate. Keep in touch. We all care about what happened to your poor baby.

    Wishing you a happier new year.

  40. Janet Says:

    Just came back from putting our beloved 13 year old bichon down a month to the day of having his rabies vaccination. Right after his vaccination, he went from a happy dog to an incontinent, confused dog. We went through blood tests and found that he had sudden onset of diabetes. I mentioned at the time of the blood tests that I thought there was a link between his vaccination and the problems that seemed to arise after it. No one at the animal hospital seemed to think there was a link at all, and had never heard of anyone else stating an issue with the vaccination.

    I am convinced that there is a link between rabies (or maybe all of them) vaccine and premature death in senior dogs. It is a devastating blow, and I now have to console his human brothers as well as his little canine brother. Lets hope the veterinarians of the world admit that this nonsense must stop now and let our beloved pets live out their lives as they were meant to and not expose them to this unnecessary risk.

  41. Jan Says:

    Janet, I’m so sorry for the loss of your dog. Vet’s never think it has anything to do with the shots. They don’t want to take the blame. For common reactions, see

    When you’re up to it, please make sure you report what happened to the vaccine manufacturer. Vets are supposed to do it but seldom do. You’ll need a copy of your dog’s file to get the manufacturer’s name and the vaccine lot #.

    If you or any friends are near So. Cal, you may want to know about my Safer Pet Vaccination Event benefiting the Rabies Challenge Fund. Two of the top experts in the world are speaking — Dr. Jean Dodds and Dr. Ron Schultz. The proceeds benefit the study of the rabies vaccine. Learn more at If you can’t make the event, please donate to the cause.

    I’d send you a hug if I could. — Jan

  42. chris Says:

    We just put down our recently healthy 6 month old puppy, who the vet said had distemper. Even though she had her distemper vaccine. We took her in for a parasite and the vet gave her a full set of vaccines because she said she was due and “really Needed them”
    Took a fairly healthy pup home and she deteriorated rapidly over the weekend. SPent 1100 dollars at the vets because they were worried about blockage, etc. Then told she wasnt going to make it, probably has distemper- but really no need to run test. I had no thought other than to trust the vet, as I was devastated. My husband firmly believes it was because a somewhat sick puppy was given a full set of shots. Of course the vet says “oh, dogs dont get sick from vaccines, it was because she had something else”
    I realize there is not much we can do at this point. But, I feel like i wasnt given any warning that it might be dangerous to give her shots at that time. Now after a lot of research I find lots of info that says a sick dog should not be given any vaccines. Maybe the vaccine was bad or maybe the vet should have given better advice. Thank you for any suggestions.

  43. Jan Says:

    Chris, I’m so sorry for your loss. Here’s my opinion.

    Vaccine manufacturers say to vaccinate healthy dogs only. Your vet just didn’t want to accept any responsibility in case you decided to report her/him to the state veterinary board — which you should do.

    You were not given informed consent. Also, why was a 6 month old dog given shots? The dog should have already had immunity. Possibly, the first rabies shot was “due,” but shouldn’t have been given until the dog was completely healthy.

    My suggestion, get your dog’s file. Find out what shots were given and let me know. Did your vet report vaccine failure (if the vet thought it had distemper)? I suggest that you report the problem to the manufacturer’s and report the vet to the state veterinary board. That’s the only way this insanity will stop. (So useful tips at

    If you happen to live in So Cal, come to our Safer Pet Vaccination event in March and ask the experts what they think.

  44. Koko Says:

    I brought my healthy 6 year old Maltese to PET CARE A VAN here in Daytona Beach Florida for anti rabies injection. The lady sold my husband to the idea of injecting BORDETELA + DISTEMPTER + anti RABIES. Few days later, my dog couldn’t walk, very disoriented, has epileptic episodes, seizures, shivering and depressed. OMG! I have so much guilt because I didn’t do my research before she got vaccinated!!! I wish I read all the bad side effects that these vaccines are doing to our precious companions! I thought I was doing my dog good by getting her vaccinated. Little did I know that these vaccines will kill her system and make her very sick!!! I brought her to the VET few days after that and the VET gave her METACAM. I soon found out that METACAM for joint pain CAN KILL DOGS!!! Im so heartbroken!!! My poor precious dog is suffering because of these TOXIC VACCINES!!! I hope she makes it. I hope someone reads my comment so I can save other dogs from these deadly vaccines!!!

  45. Jan Says:

    Koko, please find a vet who is skilled in homeopathy. You can find referral lists at This is the best way to help you dog. Painkillers won’t solve the problem and as you’ve found out, may even make it worse.

    If you can’t find a homeopathy trained vet, contact me again. I know someone who’ll consult by phone.

    And … instead of kicking yourself for over-vaccinating, educate yourself and your friends. There are lots of good articles here. Also, get all the shot records and all vet records since the event. You’ll want to get an exemption from rabies vaccination next time around and you’ll need all your records.

    I wish you the best of luck.

  46. Jessica Says:

    I brought my beloved 7 year old happy, energetic Akita to the vet for his yearly
    vet visit. He was on medication for an autoimmune issue(Azathioprine 50 mg, every other day). He had been on the meds for about two years. The evening or the day after his 3 year rabies shot and one other vaccination his health rapidly declined. He was diagnosed with a spontaneous pneomothorax(Spelling?). All tests did NOT indicate any other problems such as cancer. He was operated on two times to seal the leaks in his lungs. During the second surgery which was three days after the first they were unable to find the source of the leak. His protein levels and red blood count kept getting lower and lower as the days passed.They were also collecting more and more fluids from his body after surgery. Eleven days after the vaccinations we decided to put him down. All vets claimed it was not due to the shots……I do not believe this. I only wish I could turn back the clock. Space the vaccinations. Do your research. Question yor vet! I still think they did not even remember he was on the medication. Now it is too late for my dog. I miss him so much and he was robbed of a few more years of the life he loved.

  47. Christy Says:

    So I feel as if I am in a catch 22. About 3 weeks ago I got a new kitten, two days later i took him to the vet for his first vaccinations. The vet said that he would not vaccinate him because he had a respirtory infection. he was put on clovimox and i was told that he could be vaccinated about a week after the treatment was over. Less than a week after ending the clovamox my kitten started vomiting, stopped eating and became lethargic. I took him back to the vet and he was diagnosed with panleukalemia. Something that could have been prevented by his vaccinations. Right now i have to give him sub q fluids and more clovamox and hope that he survives. So, I am wondering really which is worse? my kitten might not make it over the next few days. So should I have pushed the vet to vaccinate him anyway….

  48. Jan Says:

    Christy, I agree with your vet’s course of action. Vaccinating a sick cat could have made him much worse and the vaccine probably wouldn’t have taken anyway. All manufacturers say to avoid vaccinating sick animals. I do hope your vet told you to keep your cat indoors and away from other cats.

    I hope your kitty recovers quickly. In the meantime, there’s a lot of cat info at and

    Good luck.

  49. Jan Says:

    Why on earth did your vet vaccinate an immune-compromised seven year old dog? Your dog was probably immune to everything important and should have a suggested a titer test if the shot given for parvo or distemper. (What was it?) Re the rabies shot, which is required by law, most states offer an exemption for ill dogs if the vet asks for it. I’d file a complaint with the state veterinary board if I were you.

    I’m so sorry for your loss.

  50. trisha Says:

    I am due to take my nearly 2 year old kitten to have his 3 year rabies shot at the vet. When I called to make the appointment, they told me I had a choice btwn two diferent shots; the less expensive one that is known to have a risk of causing cancer, or a more expensive one that is comparatively risk free. I decided to do a little research online, came across your site and was surprised to see that it is not recommended to vaccinate animals with autoimmune issues. My cat was diagnosed with FHV a year ago, which we suspect he picked up at a clinic for spaying/neutering, where he also got his first rabies shot. He is on a lysine supplement daily, and after his initial upper resperatory attack has had no full-blown attack, just a few sniffles here and there. He is an indoor-only cat, so my question is should I still get his 3 year rabies shot, and is there any real difference in the two rabies shots the vet spoke of (I am willing to spend the money if there is any chance it is safer).

    Like most cat people, I love this cat like a child, and don’t want to do anything that could potentially harm him, since i am carrying enough guilt around about taking him to the clinic where he may have gotten sick in the first place. Thank you.

  51. Jan Says:

    Trisha, first make sure cats are legally compelled to get rabies shots in your area. Second, try for an exemption which your vet should fight for.

    Find another vet. To offer you a shot with the side effect of cancer is crazy. My cat expert says you want the Merial Purevax recombinant shot if you have to vaccinate, but no shot at all is better. Vaccinating a sick animal is like throwing gasoline on a fire. I’m no expert on cat shots, but see and for more information. And why vaccinate an indoor pet unless the law requires it.

    If you have to get the shot, get it in the leg, not the body. Call Merial, the manufacturer, and ask if you should vaccinate a cat diagnosed with FHV. The answer will likely be no.

  52. Jan Says:

    Here’s some more info on vaccinating cats. It’s from my page.

    Dr. Jean Hofve, DVM and former Editor-in-Chief of The American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association Journal, writes: “Ideally, for cats the Merial Purevax recombinant vaccine can be used in place of the older killed vaccines that can cause injection-site tumors.” She adds: “When vaccines were given between the shoulder blades, these cancers were inoperable because they would grow into the spine, ribcage, and chest. This became such a serious problem that now it is recommended to give the rabies vaccine in the right hind leg so that when a tumor does develop, the whole leg can be amputated and thus the cat’s life can be saved.”

    Here’s an article in a vet magazine that cat lovers need to read:

  53. Robert Says:

    Our beloved 12-year-old miniature Schnauzer, Maddie, died on 3/24/2010 from cardiac arrest after major surgery to remove a very rare, large and aggressive pheochromocytoma tumor, which had originated in her adrenal glands, but spread to invade her aorta, vena cava, and kidneys.

    She had also been getting mysterious skin pustules on her top side, mainly around her front shoulders and neck area. These pustules would fill up with pus until the pus popped out of them, but sometimes would not pop at all, and would remain under her skin as small, hard lumps. She was also getting large, benign fatty tumors on her underside chest and groin areas which were removed surgically several times, but always grew back.

    She did not have any of these problems when we got her in 1998. These problems started around 2005 or 2006. Looking over our vet receipts for her, which unfortunately only go back to 2005, I was shocked to discover that she was vaccinated with 6 vaccines per year (5 vaccines in a “DA2PPCV” Distemper-Hepatitis-ParvoVirus-Parainfluenza-CoronaVirus “combo-whombo” shot, and 1 separate rabies shot), for 5 years (2005-2009)! That is 30 vaccines over a 5-year period!!!

    I called the vet’s office today to ask for Maddie’s complete medical history, and mentioned a blood test to see if all these vaccines were necessary, and the girl at the front desk said, “Oh, you mean the Titer?” So, they KNEW about the Titer blood test, but they never once mentioned it to me, and didn’t even tell me that Maddie was getting 6 vaccines every year. I wrongly assumed that they knew what they were doing, and that any vaccines given to Maddie were for her own good.

    Now I’m grieving her and missing her terribly. I’m also kicking myself daily for not being more aware and informed about what these damned vets were doing to her. Maddie’s fatty tumors started appearing around 7/28/2006, which was 7 months after her 6-per-year vaccinations began (according to my receipts) on 9/27/2005, but she probably received many more than 30 vaccines, because our receipts only go back to 2005, although we got her in 1998. So, she may have received 50-60 vaccines over the course of her 12 years of life!!! What makes this really hard is that she was such a healthy dog otherwise – happy, energetic, full of life, always wanting to play, and very youthful-looking for her age, right up until the end – most people thought she was still a puppy. She should have lived to be 20 years old, and probably WOULD have, if she had not been poisoned with so many vaccines!

    But now she’s dead, and there’s nothing I can do but mourn her. I’m thinking about suing the vet clinic for malpractice, but don’t know how far I would get with that, or whether it would be worth the cost and aggravation. Also, it won’t bring Maddie back.

  54. Jan Says:

    Robert, I’m so sorry for your loss. When you’re ready, there are some things you can do.

    1) File a complaint with your state vet medical board. You were not given informed consent. You should have been told that all the vet schools and all the vet organizations recommend against yearly vaccinations. Your vet should have informed you of this, and about titer tests, BEFORE vaccinating.

    2) Tell your friends. Tell reporters.

    3.) Read this article about the dangers of giving multiple vaccines to small dogs: I’ll send you the vet journal article it’s based on. Min. Schnauzers are among the top dogs affected. Why didn’t your vet read this article? It’s the main vet journal and was published in 2005.

    4.) Sue if you can handle it and are prepared for a bad result — that is, little money. You will at least cost the vet time and aggravation. Maybe he/she will think twice before over-vaccinating next time.

    5.) File a complaint with your state board of health, Better Business Bureau, and state attorney general — especially if the clinic is a chain.

    6.) If you have any photos showing the vaccine damage, please send them to me. (or it may be contact). I’m doing a video.

    7. Remember the happy times and become educated. Spread the word.

    Help keep these vets from destroying the health of other dogs.

  55. Jan Says:

    Robert, also file a complaint because your vet vaccinated a dog with health problems — against manufacturer’s recommendations.

    Also, call the vaccine manufacturers and report the damage done.

  56. Marcia Ballard Says:

    SCREAM!!!!!! my dog developed skin problems, wheezing, and was put on prednisone and then developed severe infections, gastroenteritis, vomiting, bloody stools, and almost died! Never was it suggested he had a reaction to the rabies vaccine. He had to have IV’s and survived. He has had what appears to be some chronic arthritis since then…he was 1 year old when he developed all these problems. I put him on a wheat free diet (not because the vet saw any correlation with skin issues, but I had). His skin has been greatly improved and only if he eats a noodle or cracker let on the floor will his skin issues reappear. Now he just got his rabies and they combined his other vaccines (he weighs 26 pounds so he is not a big dog) and he is at 36 hours post vaccinations very ill. He can hardly walk, is not eating, is hunchbacked, is very snappy, (totally not like him), and acting like he is in pain. We are on our way to the same vet….what to do????????????? I live in a very small town with very little choice of vets…

  57. Marcia Ballard Says:

    I didn’t know until we researched these problems that any of this could happen or is related to multiple vaccinations or the rabies shot. What treatment now is recommended now that he is in this terrible shape? Help us quickly, please.

  58. Erwin Alber Says:

    Some years ago, a New Zealand cat breeder told me that she and other breeders had lost so much valuable breeding stock as a result of vaccinations that in desperation they took to falsifying their animals’ records to say they had been vaccinated when they had not, to be able to take them to cat shows.

  59. Erwin Alber Says:

    Marie, find a CEASE therapist (google: CEASE Dr Tinus Smits) and get the therapist to counteract the effect of the vaccination with Dr Smits’ homeopathic treatment he’s developed to deal with vaccine reactions. Dr Smits used it with great success on vaccine-injured (including autistic) children, but there is no reason why it shouldn’t work equally well with animals.

    The treatment basically consists of administering the vaccine that caused the problem in homeopathic form, in a range of potencies. This erases the energy imprint left by the vaccine, thereby restoring normal functioning. Any homeopath could probably do this, but a CEASE therapist would IMO be best.

    If you try this, please e-mail me to let me know how successful the treatment was.

  60. Convenience…at what Cost? | love unleashed. Says:

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  61. CatLover Says:

    Our sweet kitty Maisey has cancer she got from a rabies vaccination. She developed a huge tumor on her right hind quarter. It is too large to remove even by removing that leg, so we are forced to just make her comfortable for whatever time we have left with her. She is my cuddle bunny, the sweetest cat you could ever have. Lawyers handle cases for people that have gotten sick from a certain drug, why can’t they help sue for your pet! They are like our childen!

  62. Jan Says:

    Catlover, I’m so sorry for you and Maisey. Why can’t you sue? Because years ago, drug companies threatened Congress, saying they wouldn’t make any more vaccines unless they got freedom from liability. However … if your vet will say the vaccine caused the tumor, you can and should report the tumor to the drug manufacturer. The drug companies need to report reactions to the USDA. Also, they may well pay Maisey’s medical bills. They may want a biopsy and will likely pay for that.

    Take care.

  63. carol Says:

    Hi, i just lost my weimer today of 11 half years. im so sad and frustrated in one sentence. I took my weimer on friday to be vaccinated with bordetella. he was examined and he looked just fine. Next day he stopped eating, began extremely lethargic, and was weezing thru his airways. This went on for three days and he was not getting any better. He became very weak and even started having a hard time climbing the staris. I contacted y regular vet who vaccinated him and explained to them of the symptoms, they then proceeded to tell me that it sounded like a broken back. Are u kidding me!!!! A broken back. I took him to the emergency vet and they told me that it was probable that he had cancer, a mass in his abdomen. He lost five pounds since fridays weigh in. He was so jaundiced. HIs skin was yellow, his gums were yellow. He had a slight fever. I am convinced that that shot comprimised his immune system. I am still angry and wished i had been more informed. LIke everything its all becoming just a cash cow. WE put my sweet boy down today, and he went very peaceful. Much braver than i would ever had been. I didnt wantI to put him thru all the tests and surgeries. I wanted him to live out his life with dignity. and he did just that. With his gray beard and gray tipped floppy ears. And those soft expressions of his gentle eyes. His endearing qualities will be forever in our hearts. WE will miss u

  64. Jan Says:

    Carol, I’m so sorry for your loss. It sounds to me like your dog had a vaccine reaction. Bordetella is a very reactive shot. It is also a next to useless shot.

    Make sure your vet (s) recorded all the symptoms in your dog’s files. Please find out exactly what vaccine your dog got and report the reaction to the manufacturer. This is very important. For one thing, you might get reimbursement for your costs. Go to my article What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction and scroll down to What to Do If You Suspect Your Dog is Having a Vaccine Reaction. Read points 3-6.

    Why your vets didn’t immediately suspect a vaccine reaction is beyond me. Did they attend vet school? When health immediately worsens after vaccination, it’s likely due to the vaccine, not a broken back or a tumor. As I say in my article, when you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras!

    So cry now, then take action. Help stop this from happening to another dog.

  65. Susan Morgan / Glenda Albritton - Page 9 - Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community Says:

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  66. Dianna Lynch Says:

    My pug Max at 6 years old had a rabies booster in May of 2008. He started having seizures the end of June 2008. The vet could find nothing wrong with him and called it epilepsy. I have just learned this week through research that the vaccine could have contributed to him having seizures. He is now due for another rabies which I will not consent to. Hopefully when he goes in a couple of weeks to get his phenobarb level checked my vet will sign a form saying that Max can not be vaccinated. If he doesn’t what can I do so I can register him? I also have a chihuahua due for a rabies booster and am really not wanting him to have it. Any advise would be welcome.

  67. Jan Says:

    Dianna, you didn’t say what state you live it. Whether or not you can get an exemption depends on where you live. It also depends on your vet. Even in states where it’s allowed, some vets won’t do it. If so, find another vet.

    Some vets will recommend giving benedryl and steroids and vaccinating. This is crazy. Stand your grown. If necessary, change the law in your state. Lots of people are doing it. See The Rabies Challenge Fund page Facebook for more info.

    Good luck.

  68. Dianna Lynch Says:

    I live in the state of Maine. Sorry I neglected to put that in. Thank you for your input. I’m hoping for a smooth vet visit in late April.

  69. casandra Says:

    First off, I wanted to say reading dozens of these posts breaks my heart. Currently, I am awake at 3 am keeping a close eye on my mixed breed, medium sized dog. On April 3, 2011 we had the dog for 12 years. Also, on that same day, we took him to our vet that we have been going to since we got him for his rabies vaccine. The vet asked us how he was doing, and we (my sister and I) had informed her that he had a very dry cough, as if trying to cough something up, and his eyes we’re bloodshot. Just by going off of what I said and shining the light into his eyes, she diagnosed him with conjunctivitis due to allergies, and the cough was due to allergies too. Strange for a 12 year old dog to suddenly have allergies when nothing in his environment changed.

    She administered his rabies vaccine, trimmed his nails, and sent us on our way. The next day, monday, my dog could not walk. I called the vet, “its normal.” The next day, it was the same so I called again. I was told its a common reaction, we can give him bayer buffered asprin 325mg for the pain. He took 1 asprin in the morning, another in the evening, then refused it. After 4 days my dog was back to his normal happy, loving, active, playful self. This past Tuesday,April 19th, my dog woke up with a very swollen joint. To be exact, it was his right front paw, but the joint which would I guess be his ankle? He seemed to have trouble walking on his both hind legs and the front paw. I called the vet immediately, explained what was going on, asked if they had anything open for him to be seen as an emergency, they said “you can bring him in at 5pm.”

    I called the vet at 10am. I went to work for 3 hours, kept calling the vet, and the earliest I can get is a double booking for 430pm. I brought my dog in at 415, they saw him when we got there. They thought it was lymes, they ran a blood test it came back negative. I asked them what we were treating this as (as before it was allergies) they said they’re treating it as “an infection somewhere that’s making him swell for some reason.” Infection because this time they decided to check his temperature and it was 104.5. They put him on doxycycline and deramaxx.

    My dog has had constant trouble with stairs and walking since his rabies, and even since his appointment on the 19th has even suddenly collapsed. Saturday, the 23rd, I tried slowly walking him to the patio in an attempt to get him inside. He collapsed, could not get up, and would not move. I thankfully called a new vet for a second opinion, they saw him immediately. This new vet, never seeing him before, could tell immediately something was terribly wrong. I told her this exact story I’m telling you and she was horrified. I told her he had lymes tests run and they returned negative, which is what she wanted to do. She then decided to run a full blood count and see his chemistry.

    Turns out, my dog has walking pneumonia. He had onset pneumonia when I told the original vet that he had the cough. It was not allergies. Although my dog has been drinking, he was also very dehydrated. He is on prescription food which he loves, and we’re returning wednesday for a follow up to see how he’s responding to his antibiotic. If I never took him for a second opinion, my dog could have died because our soon to be ex-vet never checked a temperature or anything, just his eyes, and she vaccinated him. I’m asking your advice on what I can do. I currently did research, and am calling tomorrow to tell them that I want to pick up his medical file. I looked on the amva website for my states laws regarding the release of files and there is no reason for them not to give them to me. But I would like to know what else I can do to let them know the possible fatality they caused by vaccinating him.

  70. Jan Says:

    Casandra, I wish I could tell you that your story is unusual. Your first vet clearly should never have vaccinated a dog with a cough. Even drug companies say not to vaccinate an unhealthy animal. And especially without a thorough exam.

    Please read And please report that vet. The article will tell you what you need to know. If not, please write again.

    I wish you the best of luck.

  71. Debbie Says:

    Wow, I can’t beleive what I am reading. You see I just went through all of this with my Pug, who was my bestfriend. His name was Norman. He was fine Saturday morning, We took him and our other dog to the vets for their shots. Our other dogs name is Jinxy. He is an English Cocker Spainel. Jinxy is in great shape, but Norman was a rescue dog so we didn’t know everything about his background. But we did know that he was partallly paralized from about mid to lower back. He did have feeling in his hind legs but he dragged them. We tried putting him in a wheelchair, But poor Norman kept ending up with one wheel on the wall and one on the floor! He only had one eye too so I don’t know if that had anything to do with it or not. But he was loved so very much by both my husband and myself.

    You see, I have MS and I can’t do to much anymore and Norman was very happy just to be wheerever I was. Anyways, We took both the dogs up to the vets to get their shots. I told the vet that I thought Norman was urinating more then normal, (I had to help him both pee and poop) because he could not go to the bathroom by himself. So She took a urine sample. Both dogs got their rabies shots and everything seemed fine. They gave me a precription for some antibiotics for Norman and said if he starts throwing up, give him some yogart. well, I gave Norman his medicine and sure enough a few hours later he started throwing up and I don’t mean just a little bit. It was a lot. But I trusted my vet and I put him on our bed where he always sleeps (right next to me) and the next morning our bed was covered in vomit. I tried his medicine one more time and he threw up like a volcano.

    I called my vet and told her the yogart thing wasn’t working and what should I do? They decided to change his medicine, but it was to late, by that night he was no longer eating anything. Not even his favorite dog biscut. I decided to call the vet the very next morning and bring him to her to see what could be done. Well, when I woke up, Norman was in a grand mal seizure, he wa so stiff I thought he was dead until I heard him do a little snort. I immedeitly called my vet and she told me not to take him there that he needed to see a neuroligist that was is an hour or two away, I knew I didn’t have that much time. She finally said you can take him to another hospital that had an emergency room but she had dealt with dogs that had seizures before and she refused to help Norman, Her patient!

    She said she had appointments coming in about every twenty minutes. So I hung up and called my husband who came home from work immediately. We took Norman to the other animal hospital where they tried very hard to save his life, but it was to late. He had another grand mal seizure and you could tell the life in him was gone. So I asked the vet what should we do and she said if it was her dog she would mercifly put him to sleep. I cried and cried, but I knew I had to let my bestfriend go. They brought him in for a last visit with my husband and I. I held him as they put him to sleep. I knew when he was gone because he had stopped snorting. But the vet had to check his heart anyways. We brought our baby boy home and daddy made him a beautiful wooden casket, handles and all. and I completly finished the inside with blue and silver silk cloth. He had a mattress, blanket and pillow, plus a few of his favorite cookies (dog bones and becon strips. We love you Norman, Daddy and I are looking into what the vet did to you. You did not die in vane. bye bye my baby.

  72. Jan Says:

    Debbie, your story breaks my heart. When you’re up to it, please read and report your vet. If your dog needed antibiotics, your dog wasn’t healthy. And vaccine manufacturers stress that only healthy pets should be vaccinated.

    If hope your only giving your other dog a rabies shot, which is required by law. Most adult dogs don’t require other shots unless there’s a local epidemic and reason to believe your dog isn’t protected. Please read Think titer testing, not vaccination.

    I wish you healing and happiness.

  73. Gina Says:

    My heart is broken. I’m afraid I’m to blame. I don’t know why my active & alert & seemingly healthy 10 year old rottie just died. He was in very good health other than his back legs sometimes shook a little, which I thought was due to his age. He had his last rabies shot about 5 years ago. On 4/16/11 I took him to the vet where they had a parvo, distemper rabies shot clinic being held. They took his temp & weighed him. The vet said he probably should get neutered because his testicles felt like they had some fluid around them & that could be a sign of prostrate problems After the shots (20 days ago, given in the neck) he seemed fine. Until the evening of 4/29, when I noticed he was having more of problem than usual with his back legs while going up the 4 steps to the door. Around 1:30 Am on 4/30 he jumped down off the bed, & nearly fell because of his back legs. They looked limp and wiggly when he walked. I thought he went to get a drink. A few minutes later I smelled poop,(something he NEVER does in the house) I got up and found him sitting with his head hanging down, he looked terrible. I was scared and decided we’d make the hour long trip into town to the vet first thing in the morning. I didn’t realize that it was already too late. He tried to lay down and kind of fell over because of his hind legs. I got him a thin pillow for his head and covered with a blanket. It was chilly on the floor. As I was trying to comfort him, I noticed he was breathing very deep and heavily, & some what fast. 30-45 min. passed and his breathing hadn’t returned to normal. I knew something was very wrong. His eyes didn’t look right at all, and he wasn’t responding to me talking to him. I left the room for about 5 minutes. I when I returned he was kind of half sitting up. I tried to help him lay down, he just fell in my arms. A few minutes later he turned & tried to look at his hind quarters or stomach. He made a small whimper sound and laid his head back down. His breathing changed from deep & rapid to very shallow and slow. And then he was gone. Only 5 or 6 hours ago he seemed fine. I can’t believe this has happened. I love him no less than I do my own children he was my baby. Could this be because of the shots he received 21 days ago? I feel so responsible, just a few hours ago he was active and playful and giving me kisses. I’ll miss him forever.
    I’m so sorry Zippy, I love you..I love you..I love you.

  74. Jan Says:

    Gina, don’t blame yourself, blame your vet for giving a 10 yr old dog PUPPY shots. If he/she was really concerned about parvo or distemper, why not do a noninvasive titer test? I find that outragious. And why give all the shots on the same day.

    Did your vet tell you your dog had a 95% chance that he was immune to parvo and distemper? Or offer a titer test? If not, he/she is guilty of not getting informed consent. Go after your vet. Keep this from happening again. Here’s some info.

    Most people do nothing. I hope you’ll take action. It won’t bring back the dog you loved, but may help others avoid your pain.

  75. Gina Says:

    Jan, Thank you or your kind words & advice. No, the vet said nothing more than what I previously posted. I was unaware until now that the parvo & distemper didn’t need to be given yearly. I also didn’t know about not giving the shots all at once. If the vets are aware of these facts, & surely they must be, why in world do they offer these “3 in 1″ (parvo/Distemper/Rabies) shot clinics to the public! I wasn’t informed by him of any possible dangers or even given a hint that the shots had even the remotest possibility of doing any harm what so ever. I want to do every thing within my power to help insure no pet or pet owner ever has to experience this. I want to approach this the right way with him. Do you or any one else have any suggestions of the questions I need to ask him. Should I tell him up front what happened? I will go to the site you kindly left the link to, maybe these questions will be answered there. Thank you again, Take Care Gina

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  77. James Ellenberg Says:

    My 13 week old miniature Dachshund starting having seizures within 10 hours of getting his booster and rabies shots, he is 4 lbs. He had 4 that I know of in the first 48 hours which included him going to the bathroom on himself and foaming at the mouth each lasting 5-7 minutes. When I took him back to see the vet he wouldn’t admit that it was a bad reaction to the shots but equated it to epilepsy. We had the dog for 3 weeks with no signs of epilepsy but within 48 hours of the shot he suddenly developed it?? I think not! After 2 more days he got small bumps under his skin about half the size of a pea maybe 20 or so of them. Maybe a side affect of the epilepsy?? Because it couldn’t be the powerful rabies vaccine that is the same size shot for a 140lb. dog as it is for my 4lb. 13 week old. Of course if it was admitted that these issues were caused from the vaccines then we wouldn’t go back and pay him year after year would we?

    My real question that I want answered is if the seizures will stop after some time passes or is this a permanent side affect?

  78. Jan Says:

    James, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a dog …. Your vet should have looked at the most likely cause of the seizures, but clearly didn’t want the responsibility. Dump him!

    Please read my post What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction There’s lots of information there that you’ll need.

    Also, because you have a Dachshund, please read Vaccinating Small Dogs: Risks Vets Aren’t Revealing. Also, Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots.

    I know this is a lot to read, but all these articles are important. Please read the first article now and the others when you have a chance.

  79. Kristine Says:


    My vet recommended that my cat receive a rabies vaccine in May; she did not warn me at all about possible side effects or negative consequences. My cat reacted badly (he was extremely lethargic and feverish for a day). In June I noticed he was losing weight, and in July I saw that his coat had lost its luster. I have taken him to another vet five times since then; he’s now on antibiotics but is barely eating and has continued to lose weight. His back legs are also very weak.

    I just found out yesterday that is says in my cat’s file that he had a fever the day he received the shot. Does this sound like it might be a reaction to that rabies shot three months ago?

    I am in Canada so my recourse will likely be different than in the U.S.

    Thank you,

  80. Jan Says:

    Hi Kristine. Yes, it’s possible that it’s a reaction to the vaccine. Get all the details of the shot and call the manufacturer to report it.

    I know a lot more about dogs than I do cats. I suggest you read my article on what to do when a dog has an adverse reaction. Especially read about finding a holistic vet. Traditional vets are really educated in what to do about long-term vaccine reactions. Also check out They might have some helpful hints.

    Wish I could help more.

  81. Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert? | Dogs Naturally Magazine Says:

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  82. Stacy Greer Says:

    This is why I don’t vaccinate at all. If they harm your dogs when they are ill why are they safe at any other time? They aren’t! Ugh!

  83. Jan Says:

    Stacy, dogs with health problems may suffer from immune system malfunction. Vaccination success requires a healthy immune system.

  84. Gail Says:

    My dog was checked by my vet and given a healthy rating. They gave him a 3 year rabies booster and 6 days later started having seizures. He is having them every other day for the past 3 months. My vet is telling me it is not related. What I want to know is who regulates the manufacturer of the vaccines. Does the FDA check the vaccines ??

  85. Jan Says:

    Gail, this is most likely a reaction to the vaccine. Please read my article on why vets don’t recognize vaccine reactions at

    Also, read What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction at Scroll past the opening. And get yourself to a vet who is trained in homeopathy. You’ll find links in the article.

    You must report the problem to the vaccine manufacturer, who will in turn report it to the USDA. This is vital. You’ll find instructions in the article in the paragraph above.

    Good luck.

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  87. robyn Says:

    My dog was exposed to a little puppy for 5 days that was very sick, the puppy almost died over the night on the 4th day. The puppy was bought before the Memorial Holiday so the wellness check was scheduled for after the Holiday. When we took the 10 week old puppy to the vet the next day are vet told us the the puppy had severe bronchitis/pneumonia. I was told to take the puppy back to the previous owner. When I took the puppy back I was told that the puppy was also exposed to parvo and wasn’t told until I went to take the puppy back. I was very anger because we have an older dog at home that may contract these illnesses.The question I have is should I get my 11yr old dog(Haylee) her yearly shots on Friday? The vet told me that I should get the yearly shots although we dont know if my older dog is going to come down or has contracted anything from the puppy, because she needs the vaccinations and can benefit from the protection.I was told that we may take up to 2 weeks before we know if Haylee is sick or not. Should I wait the 2 weeks and the get them done? Note: We get Haylee’s shots on post because we are military and she has to have the shots on file, its easier to do this and the cost is lower. Haylee sees the other vet for all other treatments. So, I dont believe money is an issue becasue she doesnt get paid for the service of the shots. We live in Oklahoma/Texas area were dogs contract many infections. Should I wait?????? My gut tells me to wait but Im not a vet. Haylee has had her shots every year since she was a puppy and has never had a reaction nor has she had and illness other than loose bm. every once in awhile when we move around.

  88. Jan Says:

    Robyn, there is no evidence that dogs need yearly shots. They’re not called puppy shots without reason.

    Here is what Dr. Schultz, one of the world’s top reachers, reported:

    Age and Long-term Protective Immunity in Dogs and Cats
    R. D. Schultz, B. Thiel, E. Mukhtar, P. Sharp and L. J. Larson
    Department of Pathobiological Sciences, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, Wisconsin, USA

    Old dogs and cats rarely die from vaccine-preventable infectious disease, especially when they have been vaccinated and immunized as young adults (i.e. between 16 weeks and 1 year of age).

    … even a single dose of modified live virus (MLV) canine core vaccines [distemper, hepatitis and parvovirus] or MLV feline core vaccines [feline parvovirus, feline calicivirus and feline herpesvirus], when administered at 16 weeks or older, could provide long-term immunity [9 years or more] in a very high percentage of animals, while also increasing herd immunity.

    Your dog has been vaccinated over and over again. I hope this gives you your answer and some peace.

    PS I’m not a vet. You should make your own decision.

  89. Ann Says:

    Thanks for all the valuable information and stories. I need to really put more study into my Allie’s care.

  90. Janet Velez Says:

    I took my dog to the vet because he got intoxicated with bleach hopping he will do something to help him since he was having troble breathing, he just look at him from far and told me he was going to be ok and i believe him! He was my first pet so i had no experience , he told me he need it a rabies vaccine wich i say ok since he was due righ after the vaccine we went home he had a ruff nigh trouble breathing, i bring him next day to the vet and he again look him from far and realize he was having trouble breathing and send me to the ER hospital 35minutes drive from his office as soon as we arrive he was put on oxigen, i was told he had liquid on his longs and that he might have heart problems that it could got worse with the stress he went through by the expose to the bleach, did’nt have the 1,859.56 for his treatment he was release to me and as soon as i arrive home he pass away in my arms! Could this happened because of the condittion he was and receiving the rabbie shot, the negligence of the vet by not checking him or the inhalation of the bleach, please give me an answer!!! Suffering my pet lost! He was 11 years old a beautiful chihuahua we love so much!

  91. Jan Says:

    Janet, I’m so sorry for your loss.

    Vaccinating a dog with the most negatively reactive vaccine, rabies, while the dog is in distress is, in my opinion, malpractice. You should report the vet’s actions to your state veterinary board and report your dog’s death to the drug manufacturer. Here’s how: Also, get a copy of your dog’s file then ask for your money back for anything you spent at the vaccinating vet’s office.

    You could take your vet to small claims court if he/she refuses. You can generally just sue for the cost of service plus the dog plus any training you paid for, but in some states, you can get more. The important thing is to wake up the vet. And I hope you’ll find another vet when you need one in the future.

    I know you probably won’t feel like doing this, but it’s very important. You have to stop these horrible practices and show the USDA how dangerous the vaccines can be.

  92. Janet Velez Says:

    Thank you for your kind words, i’ll do that! God Bless

  93. deborah Fleming Says:

    I have two old dogs, ages 12 and 13. Both have thyroid disorder, cushings, and arthritis. They are on soloxine for thyroid, tramadol for pain. rimadyl for arthritis, melatonin for cushings and 7-HMRlignans for cushings.I asked my vet for a waiver for the rabies and he said no. How sick does a dog have to be in order to get a waiver. I am really concerned especially with all the medications. They are labradors and will be lucky is they have 3 more years. They are inside dogs and only go in my yard. Do you have any suggestions?

  94. Jan Says:

    Deborah, in states with reasonable laws, your dogs would definitely quality for an exemption. Cushings alone should do it.

    Does your state permit exemptions?

    If not, you need a sympathetic vet who will go to bat for your dogs. Your current vet should. No good vet would allow dogs in poor health to be vaccinated. No drug company would recommend it. Check out for referral lists for vets who know about the dangers of vaccinating sick dogs. You are right to be concerned. Here’s the letter that helped California put a law permitting exemptions on the books. It started with someone like you.

    If you can’t find a sympathetic, well-informed vet, write again.

  95. Andrea Says:


    I just had a titer test done on my dog and it was totally negative meaning she has no immunity to both parvo and distemper. She has a severely compromised immune system already and I will not vaccinate her against rabies. (I have a waiver) I don’t want to vaccinate her against parvo or distemper either but am concerned as we have so much wildlife in our yard. Racoons, coyotes, skunks you name it.
    How can I protect her should she come into contact with with an unhealthy animal ?
    Thanks so much,

  96. Jan Says:

    Andrea, four things. First, the titer test reading may be wrong. You might ask Dr. Jean Dodds to read the test for you. She will likely require a small fee. Or, better yet, draw more blood and send it to her. She charges about $50 for the test. You can ask her about the results. She’s an expert.

    Second, though titer test results are generally accepted to show strong immunity, there is much controversy over whether a low reading shows no immunity. Note: parvo is everywhere. If your dog had no immunity, why didn’t she get sick? Also, cellular immunity may exist even though titers are low. There is another test that can check cellular immunity. Your vet may know about it.

    Three, has ever dog ever had a positive titer for the two diseases? If so, Dr. Ron Schultz, the premier expert, says once immune, always immune.

    Four, if your dog shouldn’t be vaccinated, don’t vaccinate her. The wildlife in your life could give her rabies, if she’s bitten and they’re rabid, but shouldn’t give her parvo or distemper. Ask your vet about this. Also, most wildlife is nocturnal. Keep her inside.

    I’m not a vet but if it were my dog, I’d just presume she’s okay if she’s an adult dog who received at least one parvo/distemper shot after age 15-16 weeks. She’d have a 95% chance of being immune. If she was vaccinated after that date and is not immune, and is an adult, she likely would have fallen ill. If she didn’t get immunity then, it’s likely she would get immunity from another vaccine, especially if she’s immune compromised.

    I hope this helps. Redo the test with Dr. Dodds if you can afford it. She will help guide you. And feed her excellent food to make her stronger..

  97. Andrea Says:

    Thank you so much !
    She is 7 years old and was last vaccinated 3-4 years ago. Haven’t had a titer done before so don’t know. There is no rabies in our area that I know of (San Diego County) and they are all inside at night. I am familiar with Dr. Dodds (another Scottie owner) so will probably go that route. Since she has been on Atopica for so long, her immune system is shot, but there was no other alternative. Tried every other approach.Been feeding raw and home cooking since the get go. Giving here a live vaccine scares the heck out of me so will probably just check with both the above mentioned experts.
    Thank you SO much for your speedy answer, we really appretiate it.

  98. Jan Says:

    Andrea, we’re neighbors!

    You can email Dr. Dodds with your results. She’ll likely answer. If not, call. Below is a study abstract that may give you piece of mind. Read more at It shows how long vaccines generally last. Get contact info at

    Minimum Duration of Immunity for Canine Vaccines
    CORE VACCINES (recommended for all dogs)

    Canine Distemper Virus (CDV):

    Rockborn Strain 7 years/15 years challenge/serology

    Onderstepoort Strain 5 years/9 years challenge/serology

    Canine Adenovirus-2 (CAV-2) 7 years/9 years challenge-CAV-1/serology

    Canine Parvovirus-2 (CPV-2) 7 years challenge/serology

  99. Rose Says:

    My dog Ruby had to be put to sleep and it is bothering me so much trying to understand why this happened. This was our family’s first dog, we had her for 7 years from a puppy, a beautiful red long haired dachshund, she was the sweetest little thing, she loved us so much and we adored her. While away on a visit to my parents with my kids for a week, my husband (who was home taking care of her) called me one night and said Ruby had all of a sudden taken ill, just laying there barely able to move, she had thrown up her food and didnt want to eat or drink, it didn’t last long maybe hours but he decided to take her to vet next morning just in case, she walked in on her own seeming better but still not great. The vet prescribed special food and Cerenia and insisted that she have a rabies shot .

    She got better, pretty ok not great for a week and a half then Sunday afternoon same thing, cannot get up and no interest in food or even water. I called the vet and asked if it could be Lyme disease since we live in Mass and pick ticks off her all the time. They were closing soon but she said I could come pick up a prescription minocycline. I gave her the first pill and a Cerenia, she improved slightly and started to drink a little. Next morning she was bad as ever, I took her to emergency at the hospital and immediately they told me she has a large amount of either blood or fluid in her tummy. They tested and it was blood, and said that she was bleeding into her tummy and was almost dead. They said that she most likely had a cancerous tumor that ruptured or rat poison ( I knew it wasn’t rat poison). They said that even if they had me spend a major amount of money ( that I don’t have) on testing, surgery etc. that she would not live longer than 4or 5 months. They said to euthanize immediately and barely allowed me enough time to get my kids and husband to come in to say goodbye. This may be the most painful thing we have ever done toghether, we miss her soooo much.

    Do you think the rabies shot should have been given, or had anything to do with her death, if she did have cancer, did it speed up her death? I find it interesting that the animal hospital never asked about her rabies shot but the first vet insisted, I know she was sicker then but I would not have considered her healthy. I would appreciate any opinions .


  100. Jan Says:

    Rose, rabies shots are supposed to be given to healthy dogs only — according to the manufacturer’s label and all conventional wisdom. Shame on your vet. Was your dog in danger of being bitten by a rabid animal? Did the vet think she was dangerous? Had she been vaccinated previously? Vaccinating a dog with cancer is like pouring gasoline on a fire. Totally irresponsible.

    Cerenia is for motion sickness. Your vet treated the symptom and not the cause.

    Your vet didn’t give your dog a chance for surviving in my opinion. I don’t know if she would have died anyway, but the vet did nothing to diagnose her problem. Only gave Cerenia and an antibiotic — why an antibiotic?

    Is it too late to do a post mortem — a necropsy? They aren’t expensive and can tell you a lot.

    Please report your dog’s death to the manufacturer. And I would file a complaint with your state vet medical board. At the very least, maybe your vet will think twice about being so reckless. And need I add, never go back there again? You could even take the vet to small claims court.

    I’m so sorry for your loss.

  101. Rose Says:

    Hi Jan,

    Yes, she had been previously vaccinated, unfortunately camping grounds and a dog license so you can take your dog to the beach require you have the vaccination. But no she did was in no danger from rabies and definitely would not have bitten anyone.

    The breeder who we carefully got her from @ 16 weeks old warned us about vaccines so other than rabies we we did not get too many other vaccinations after a year old and now I am researching yet again what to do about them with our new puppy (a few weeks ago we put a deposit on a little companion miniature dachshund for Ruby, never did we dream she would never get to meet him) he is a only 4 weeks old and we won’t be picking him up for another 4 weeks but I am now terrified of vaccinations and vets. We buried Ruby Tuesday (super hard to do) so I think an autopsy is not going to happen now but I wish I had thought of it, it all happened so fast, I didn’t even think of the rabies shot until last night as I am trying to understand how even cancer can make a dog to from fine one week and dead the next.

    If the vet was negligent with insisting on a rabies shot and should be reported and taken to small claims court, to be more careful with pets, what $ should one put on it, I do not care about any monetary outcome but I assume you have to put some number on it so what would be an appropriate amount to scare her? Also do you know if they allow just a titer instead in MA? Thank you so much for your reply!

  102. Jan Says:

    Rose, in almost all locations (see ), adult dogs need only be vaccinated against rabies every three years. If you vet violated that, it’s BAD.

    Small claims usually allows the original cost of the dog plus training, but of course, that’s not nearly enough. Still, you can sue for the small claims limit in your state. Some states are allowing pain to be figured in.

    No states allow titers yet, but we are hoping that the Rabies Challenge Fund will have a titer standard soon.

    Re your pup, please read this: And see the videos on this site.

    Take care, Jan

  103. Veronica Says:

    I just took my nearly 13 old boykin spaniel, Brady, for his yearly exam today. I normally stay away from vets as much as possible, but the last year or so I started having yearly checkups for Brady, and my 18 yr old cat, because they’re getting old and I want to keep an eye on their blood work. Brady lost an eye to glaucoma about 3 years ago, and he’s had cataract surgery in the other eye, and is now pretty much blind. He has a slow growing mass on his left rib cage that is hard as a rock. I noticed it when it was small a few years ago, and it’s slowy getting bigger. My other vet says she wouldn’t put him through the surgery to remove it because of his age.

    I stopped vaccinating my pets around 10 years ago when I discovered the truth about them. Brady’s last vaccinations were in 2004 when he was only 3 yrs old. Today when I went to the vet, Brady was injected with Distemper/Parvo before I knew it. I saw a needle in him and asked what it was, and he told me. I freaked out! I felt sick at my stomach when I saw that needle sticking out of my sweet dog. I told him I don’t vaccinate!!! (This should be in his chart). I told him I haven’t vaccinated him in years! Actually, the last time I vaccinated him in 2004 was when I worked THERE as a vet tech and wanted to be able to bring Brady to work with me, so I had him vaccinated so that I could. I had been working from home all of Brady’s life and didn’t want to leave him at home all day when he could come to work with me, so I weighed it out and decided that he was young, and healthy and he could handle it. Well, he did fine almost 10 years ago, but he’s not young and healthy anymore!!!! I would NEVER willingly vaccinate an elderly dog with health problems. I’m SO MAD! He didn’t charge me for the vaccine, but I can’t get the vaccine out of my dog!!! I’m keeping a close eye on him and will see if I can find what symptoms to be on the lookout for. Hopefully, my prayers will be answered and he’ll be ok!

  104. SuziB Says:

    As I am reading all of these stories I find it amazing that the warning lable on these vaccines say not to give to a sick animal. This should be a red flag for anyone in their right mind! If it is not good for a sick animal, why would you give it to a healthy animal?
    It is kind of like the back of a tube of toothpaste or mouthwash. Have you ever read the label? It warns to call poison control if swallowed. .. yet people put this crap in their bodies everyday!

  105. Veronica Says:

    It was confirmed today by Mississippi State University that Brady’s mass/tumor that I mentioned here a few weeks ago is in fact cancer. Soooooo, my dog that has a HUGE cancerous tumor on his body, was vaccinated without my consent. GRRRR!!!!! P.S. He Whines all the time, and I’m not sure if his eye is bothering him or if it’s the tumor, or maybe it’s because he has dementia, but whatever the cause of the the whining, I we noticed a huge increase in the whining the week following the vaccine. He also had a hot spot come up the day after the vaccine. :(

  106. Karen Says:

    On December 30 at 2:15 I took my sweet energetic dog Seth to the vet for his 3 year rabies vaccination. He’s been seeing the same vet for most of his life, 7 yrs. In 2008 he was diagnosed with pemphigus foliaceus, an autoimmune disease of the skin and has been on prednisone since. During his visit December30, the doctor examined him and we discussed, in length, his condition. He said that lungs were clear, heart sounds good, temp good and eyes are bright and clear. His comment, ‘bright eyed and bushy tailed” Seth jumped up for treats and was so spoiled there. We visited often to check his condition, at least 4 times a year. On December 31 @ 4 am, 14 hours after the shot, he woke us up vomiting in his kennel. I got up and started to take care of him like mommies do and called the vet as soon as they opened and asked if he could be having a reaction to the rabies vaccination, they said No, that would not be the reaction this many hours after the shot, bring him in for blood work and xrays. We did that morning and dr. said his liver levels were very high and xrays show enlarged liver and that we should take him for an ultrasound on Thursday, today….He gave us antibiotics and anti nausea meds and told us “not something that will kill him today” we went home and at 1 am that night, New Years Day he woke us up crying, his kennel is next to our bed. He couldn’t even lift his head. My husband called the Emergency vet,—- because the man we’ve trusted for the last 6 years with our 10 plus animals told us “it would be terrible if he goes down hill tonight and you have to take him to the emergency vet 20 miles away”– so HE OBVIOUSLY was not going to go in for us if we called. WE put our sweet boy in the car and headed to the ER vet—Seth passed away 5 minutes later while I was holding his head, less than 36 hours after the shot. I am so devastated and even more so since I found this page. Seth should have never had the rabies vaccination due to the autoimmune disease. I’ve learned now that I could have requested a waiver due to his autoimmune condition. The vet NEVER said ANYTHING about his health condition being a concern in giving him the vaccination or even suggested a waiver to me!!!! I am so sick that I trusted that man to do the right thing for my Seth. Now he’s gone. My heart hurts so much. I will spread the word to all pet owners I can to be careful of vaccinations. I thought I was doing the right thing and obeying the LAW requiring rabies vac. I had a strange feeling about it and even waited, I should have listened to my intuition.

  107. Jan Says:

    Karen, my heart breaks for you. Your ignorant and/or arrogant, unfeeling vet should have never vaccinated a dog with autoimmune disease. That’s like throwing gasoline on a fire. Any vet should know this. And to not admit that it was the vaccine is unforgivable. In fact, the vaccine manufacturer’s own package insert says to vaccinate “healthy dogs only.” Shame on him/her!

    In 2005, Purdue vet school did a study of 1.5 million dogs and their vaccine reactions THREE DAYS after vaccination. It was published in the AVMA Journal and referred to in journals and reports everywhere. Furthermore, reactions are known to happen up to 45 days after vaccination and cancers and autoimmune diseases can happen even 10 years later.

    When you feel up to it, please report the reaction to the manufacturer. They may offer to pay your vet bills although since your dog shouldn’t have been vaccinated, they may refuse. Anyway, they need to know and have to report it to the USDA.

    You should also file a complaint with your state veterinary board and/or small claims court. Make the vet pay.

    And please do spread the word. I have a great article on Questions to Ask Before Vaccinating: One of the questions is: Is your dog healthy?

  108. Deborah Gies Says:

    Vaccines given to everyone are simply a money maker for Big Pharma. Starting with human infants at 1 day old. 48 vaccines before age 6 is designed to make you sick.If you are sick you need a doctor then the doctor will write you a prescription. Big Pharma keeps you as a customer for life!!!
    Animals develop all the same autoimmune disorders, diabetes, seizures etc,,, Just like people!! So many fail to make the connection to chronic illness and vaccinations.

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  110. Joanne Wiz Says:

    I wish i found this website soon. I took my 4 year old Shi-poo dog for her 3 years rabies booster shot two weeks ago, the following day after her vaccine, i notice a sign of lameness of her hind legs, more noticeable on her left legs where the vaccine was give, i thought maybe she was just sore from the needdle, as days progress 5 days to be exact, she seems like she was getting worse, both hind legs are keep collapsing when she walk further, so i took her back to her, insisting sigh might have some reaction from the vaccine, but my Vet wouldn’t acknowledge the possibility, so she ordered a blood work and an x-ray to be done, and had me take my dog home with non steroid anti-inflammatory called metacam,.

    the following day the result of the blood word came back normal and the x-ray of the spine also read normal but she still suspect that my dog has bulging disc that might causing the weakness of her hind legs, 8 days after the vaccine, i took my dog back to the vet again because she is twice as worse, she lost her appetite, my dog became lethargic, restless and distant and her hind legs collapsed more when she stand.

    She still insist that its not the vaccine that causing my dog all these. She still think its her spine, and sent my dog home with steriod, muscle relaxer and pain killer to be administer, but nothing seems to work because today at exactly 14 days after her vaccined my dog is in coma and confined in a Neurology Vet. Center, base of the MRI she has a really bad inflammation of the brain which i really don’t understand because she was so healthy prior to the vaccine.

    My regular vet called the manufacturer of the rabies vaccine and told them the side effect and they told the vet that they can reimbursed me $500 for it, but i don’t want the money, i just want my pal to be back, conscious and healthy.. I’m so scared right now with the possibility of loosing my dog, shes like a child to me…i’m so hurt..If i can just turn back the time, i would never get her vaccine again.

  111. Jan Says:

    Joanne, sadly I hear a story like yours all the time. Hind end lameness happens all too often. I’m not a lawyer and can’t give you legal advice, but if you took the money, you would have money to help pay vet bills. Or ask them to pay all your vet bills. Where do you live? Maybe I know a vet who can help. What does your own vet think?

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  113. Darla Says:

    I had to board my dog Jan. 2009 and had to get current on some of his vaccinations. 3 mos. after my dog was vaccinated he developed discoid lupus around the eyes and severe skin problems. That was in 2009. I have taken him to a holistic vet who helped keep his lupus under control by using Isotherapy. I have struggled with his skin problems off and on over the years. Especially when given antibiotics for whatever reason. It will take months to get it cleared up. I do not go to the vet for his skin condition. I have used different supplements and have always kept him on raw food. That has always been successful. I know people who have taken their dogs to the vet for skin problems and are put on one medication after another until their dogs end up with cancer or other fatal diseases. I will not vaccinate him again because I know in my heart that he will die. It will be like euthanizing him. He also bloated and they found a huge tumor in his spleen. They had to remove the spleen. I really believe that is what caused the bloating and the tumor was caused by the vaccinations.

  114. J. Says:

    I figured out the dangers of vaccines 15 years ago. I had herding breeds who always had a reaction to them and would be back at the vet the next day for another shot to stop the diarrhea and vomiting. I found out through the internet that there is a gene in the herding breeds that make them more prone to reactions. Why didn’t any of my vets ever know this? My last one did not have any shots after the age of 1, was raw fed, organic, free range, no treats, no veggies, no extras and he still died on me at the age of 12 which people in the holistic world chalk up to bad genetics.

    I have another dog who I rescued from a kill shelter in the south. He was about a year old and the stupid rescue did not even do a simple worm test on him. He came with Hookworms, Roundworms and Tapeworms diagnosed by my vet. Rabies is required by law but they went shot happy and gave him a bunch of combos. i had no choice in the mattere also had kennel cough which I let run it’s course. 11 years later and I am now dealing with hypothyroidism, fatty tumors popping up everywhere and nothing herbal I have tried yet has gotten rid of them, skin allergies, itchy ears and possibly cushings. No vaccines in 10 years and he’s not eligiible for exempt and apparently “Fraud” is becoming more popular with people lying about vaccines out of fear so avoiding the shot is now becoming ore trouble than it’s worth.

  115. J. Says:

    I sent that last one too soon, I just wanted to add that I’m torn between avoiding vets like the plague since even holistic vets will refuse to see a dog who isn’t “Up to date” if you do not agree to letting them vaccinate. It is a legal thing here, they cannot discharge a dog without proof of rabies. Titers are not legal in the tri state area and cancer seems to be the only way to get exempt so far.

    Or do I just give in and get a few rabies rescued dog had one at the age of 1 so is it really so awful if his 2nd shot is at the age of 11 years old? It’s easy to avoid vets when dogs are young and healthy but then when something comes up it’s harder. Losing a 12 year old I did almost everything perfect with is really messing with my head. And I don’t feel like going to jail for fraud. Some counties now have rabies vaccines public record and you can punch the tag numbers into websites to confirm if it is valid.

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