Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots

Written by Jan on April 22, 2009 – 9:11 am

Syringes with blood dropWhen vaccinating our dogs, most of us rely on our vets, trusting that their advice is up-to-date and not biased by economic or political concerns.  Unfortunately,  unless vets stay current on veterinary journal reading (no easy task) … and actually assimilate new findings … and decide to forgo significant vaccination income, their advice may lag well behind many years behind what experts now advocate.

Vaccination is a serious medical procedure with the potential for adversely affecting health, both in the short and long term. Experts now advise us to vaccinate each dog according to his or her individual needs.  But  how do you cut back without endangering your dog’s health?  Here are 10 ways to eliminate unnecessary shots while actually improving pet health.

1. Always consider locale, lifestyle, risk and vaccine effectiveness. Bordetella (kennel cough) is for dogs in poorly-ventilated close quarters (like kennels), not for pets sometimes playing with others. Leptospirosis is a disease of wetlands and woodlands, and the vaccine may not protect against the actual disease in your area. Lyme is only for dogs in areas with Lyme disease. Furthermore, each of these vaccines has dangerous side effects and their efficacy is questionable. Don’t give them without proven need and benefit.

2. Eliminate vaccines on the “not recommended” list of the American Hospital Association’s Canine Vaccine Task Force as well as most veterinary organizations and schools. These include Giardia and Coronavirus (found in many combination shots).

3. Say no! to combination shots. Combo shots (called names like DHLPPC) assault your dog’s immune system with five or seven vaccines at once. Given for (false) economy and convenience rather than health or safety, combination shots are linked to autoimmune disease and other major health problems. Also, they invariably contain unnecessary and even dangerous vaccines.

4. Stop vaccinating against diseases for which your dog may already have immunity. Blood serological studies show that parvovirus vaccines given to dogs over 15-16 weeks of age generally give at least 7 years of immunity, as does the Rockborn distemper strain. (The Onderstepoort strain gives 5 years.) Ask your vet which vaccine your dog received.

5. Don’t allow your vet, kennel owner or groomer to intimidate you into giving unnecessary shots. Suggest titer testing for parvovirus or distemper — or go elsewhere.  Require written proof from experts that your dog needs any shot. Your dog’s lifelong health  is at stake.

6. Test immunity; don’t automatically re-vaccinate. Titer tests (pronounced TIGHT er) are blood tests measuring antibodies to disease. Renowned pet vaccination expert Dr. Ron Schultz believes that titer tests yielding strong titers for parvovirus and distemper means not vaccinating against these diseases for years and maybe life. (Note: Don’t expect everyone to accept test results in lieu of vaccination. This subject is complicated, and most people are programmed to think of vaccination as “the gold standard.” Also, the absence of strong titers does not necessarily mean that a dog needs a “booster.”) Read my article on titer testing here at Truth4Dogs.com for details.

7. Never vaccinate sick dogs.  All vaccine labels state that they’re to be used in healthy animals.  Unfortunately, vaccine labels  don’t define “healthy” and most clients don’t know about this admonition.  As a result, sick pets, immune-compromised pets, pets undergoing chemo and surgery, and even dying housebound pets are vaccinated.  Any shots given to an unhealthy animal may well not provide immunity and will likely cause an adverse reaction, even death. Regarding the rabies vaccine: chronically ill or immune-compromised pets may be eligible for a rabies shot exemption for a specified period or even life.  Click the preceding link for more information. And watch for our upcoming post on this subject.

8. Don’t vaccinate puppies too early. Vaccinating pups who still have maternal immunity is unnecessary and ineffective. Most vets suggest waiting until at least 8 weeks of age.  Some experts suggest waiting until 3-4 months to vaccinate puppies, keeping pups away from public places and strange dogs until immunity is proven by strong titers.

9. Insist that your vet documents any adverse vaccine reactions in detail. Someday you may want to apply for rabies vaccine exemption.

10. Make copies of dog licenses and vet files and store them in a safe place. Clinics lose records, go out of business, leave town, etc. Without your dog’s records, you may have vaccinate sooner than necessary because of lost or missing records.

Ready to make a change?  Best case, find a vet concerned about over-vaccinating to advise you.  Educate yourself and go to the vet armed with information.  Most important: actually advocate for your dog; don’t just intend to advocate.  (If you have trouble keeping your resolve, watch my video Stand Up to Your Vet.) Learn more, and watch our video on vaccination, at my web page Vaccinating Dogs.

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  1. patricia jordan Says:

    Great job Jan! I hope your advice reaches the public so that they might spare themselves the heartache of vaccine induced disease. I have seen needless vaccines, dangerous vaccines administered to a much loved pet and end up causing death or disease in that companion.If only everyone could hear the evidence at one time. I am not the only veterinarian who has seen the disease and death dangerous vaccines can deliver, nor the only veterinarian who realizes that you can not depend on our profession to fulfill the terms of our Hippocratic Oath that we swore to keep up with the advancements of scientifc knowledge and to not add to the animal pain and suffering.I hope that the caretakers of all companion animals will hear this 10 step program and protect their pet from the vet who cares not to practice honorably. If they are interested in understanding more fully the minimal vaccination protocol advocated by our leading veterinary vaccine researcher, then please become proactive and ask about Dr. Ron Schultz minimum vaccine protocols.

  2. Judy Schor Says:

    Because of there being ZERO science behind the current Rabies Vaccination laws, my beloved Rat -Terrier, Peaches wis dealing everyday with a horrific Auto-Immune disease. It will never go away. She has bloody sores on her ears, and her feet. I must give her 2 baths a day to slough away the tissue debris and keep those little feet clean. I smell the blood left on her when I gently towel her dry with each bath. This disease was diagnosed by the University of Pennsylvania as Rabies Vaccine associated Ischemic Vasculitis. I have no idea how long I’ll have my little girl as she could throw a clot at any time or may just continue to be devasted by the disease. I am just so angry about this, as you would be if it were your pup.
    it is my opinion that the lobbyists and the pharm companies they work for make these laws.
    Please support the Rabies Challenge Fund Studies by donating.
    http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/ (a federally registered charity)
    These studies (3rd year now)will make a difference so YOUR dog or your childrens dogs will not have to go thru what we and many others are going thru with thier own dogs. The RCF studies are being run according to USDA regulations and will enable change based on science. Yes, based on science:) Please help-and–spread the word…Thank you so much!
    Judy and Peaches

  3. Jean Says:

    Hi Jan,

    I really appreciate your persistent work on this issue. I dared to challenge our very tradtional vet by asking if he does titer testing, and he went ballistic! He told me I was spending too much time on the internet! Anyway, we have since found a vet who is much more in tune with the issue of over-vaccination.

    I have a question for you, what experience have you had with kennels or doggie day care places who insist on up-to-date vaccination records before they will accept your dog? Have you found they are open to titer testing results?

    Thanks for all you do,

    Jean (and Roxie and Gypsy)

  4. Jan Says:

    Jean, I don’t have any personal experience with groomers and kennel owners. I do know that I hear from their clients a lot. Many of them do not understand immunity. I’ve written why kennel cough is dangerous and a waste of time. I’ll post it either on http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots or in one of my blogs. I’ll announce where on Twitter. You can follow me at http://www.twitter.com/k9author Accounts are free and just take a moment to get.

    For other shots, see the /shot page.

    Thanks for writing.

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  6. Jan Says:

    This comment is posted with permission of Dr. Michael Dym http://www.canineworld.com/drdym/

    There is not a topic closer to my heart in revealing the truth about the whole issue of vaccinations in our canine and feline companions. For the past several decades the typical conventional standard of practice is to give puppies and kittens multiple viral vaccinations every few weeks starting at sometimes as young as 3-4 weeks of age, up until 4 to 5 months old and then repeating that practice EVERY YEAR from puppy and kittenhood through the golden years. As veterinary immunologists and renowned vaccine experts Ron Schultz, DVM and his colleague Dr Phillips wrote many years back in Kirks Current Veterinary Therapy XI edition ( a text taught at all veterinary schools), yearly vaccination for viral diseases is medically unnecessary and is a practice that “lacks scientific validity.” In the same article, it says that immunity to most core viral vaccination persists for “years to the life of the animal.”

    Schultz’ and Phillips’ article was written many years ago, and after the first International Veterinary Vaccines and Diagnostics Conference held at the College of Veterinary Medicine in Wisconsin held in 1997 (over 12 years ago) concluded that the duration of immunity is likely more than 5 years for the clinically important companion animal vaccines, many veterinarians still routinely overvaccinate both puppies and adult/senior dogs and cats.

    Evidence has emerged in recent years, that along with the nutrient poor processed commercial pet foods, overvaccination has been a major factor in the development of both the epidemic increases in autoimmune diseases, seizures, hormonal disorders and cancer seen in younger and younger pets. There is even evidence that genetic changes have occurred in pets because of this overvaccination process over so many generations. Studies are now under way to document that even rabies vaccination has immunity that probably lasts for up to 5 to 10 years. See http://www.rabieschallengefund.org and http://www.truth4dogs.org

    The vaccination of pets with chronic immune mediated illnesses or cancer, or even a history of cancer is contraindicated, as all vaccine inserts that come with the vaccinations say for “use in healthy animals only”. Every animal guardian should become informed about which vaccines are appropriate for their pets, and how often or if they should be given or repeated. The health of our canine and feline companions depends upon us learning the truth.

  7. Patricia Says:

    I currently have a papillon that is having problems and no vet can tell me what her problem is. I have spent so much money needlessly. I am going to GVS they specialize in all issues. I am almost afraid to go due to finding out she may have cancer. Vets are so much like our family docs of today. Keep them coming back to pay for their homes etc. I remember when you gave your pup a 5 in one and then came back for the booster. They would not give rabies until 6 mo. Now you see they give 1 set of shots followed 3 weeks later with a booster then 3 weeks later another then 3 weeks later another.How sad . I also see bordatella required 2 times a year. If you would also take note of the dogs with skin problems . People take them to the vet and the vet gives them a topical fix of some sort. When that does not work you go back a 2nd and on the 3rd time , the vet suggest their food and treats. They do not tell them if they would not give their dogs red food dye in any form than the pup will naturally get better. You are always going to the vet for the food they prescribe. Why money. A couple of years age we were killing our dogs with the love of feeding them great dog foods.I feel sure that no one was aware that the U.S. bought wheat from China and the U.S. did not U.S.D.A. does not inspect any products from over seas. However they do inspect our farmers here. China to my understanding had a bad rat problem . The problem was handled by putting rat poisoning around the crop. Commonsense shows that the poison grew into the crop . This caused us to slowly and painfully kill our dogs. Many people I have spoke to are still suffering from dogs dying of that curse . The poison attacks so many vital organs that even though the poison was stopped the damage that was done , was not fixable. Cook for your dogs . If you feel your vet is doing excessive and needless work on your pup. Go with your gut. See a holistic doc, or specialist.

  8. Laura San Martin Says:

    Thank you so much for this eye opener.. I have a 4 yr old maltese, who last year for the 1st time had a really bad reaction to his yearly vaccines. Just yesterday i took him to a new vet and told him of the problem, he did give him benadrly before giving him his shots. Let me say that i had a terrible night. At 1am he was restless.. from one side of our bed to the other.. shaking his head and scratching.. i got up and noticed red and puffy around his eyes, i then gave him another benadryl tab… tried to confort him and scratch him… he felt hot and then an hr later gave him a baby asprin… he continued to be restless.. he was also very thristy which i knew he was going to throw up from so much water… in which he did and a lot of it, but after he was done his itching was gone and he was finally able to get some rest after 5 hrs of discomfert..
    My dog NEVER goes outside to the grass, or play with any other dog, he is an indoor dog, and goes on wee wee pads. I say to myself does he really need all these shots and what can i do to protect him.
    pls advise

  9. Jan Says:

    Laura, first of all, you need to find a vet familiar with homeopathy. Even after the crisis seems over, you still need to “clear” your dog’s body of the vaccine. Second, why would a 4-year old dog need shots (other than legally required rabies)? Wait a few weeks then do a titer test. (See my article at http://www.truth4dogs.com and click Titer Test.) Third, although Benadryl might help with symptoms of allergy (see my upcoming free newsletter about this–sign up at http://www.dogs4dogs.com), what it does is suppress the immune system. Shots stimulate the immune system. Will it interfere with the shot? Who knows. Another reason to do a titer test to test immunity. Fifth, why would a vet revaccinate a dog who’d had a prior reaction — especially with shots he didn’t need? This is against all manufacturer instructions. Finally, really shots are old fashioned medicine. If it were my vet, I’d fire him/her and find another. Find more info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots and http://www.truth4dogs.org I’d be interested in knowing why shots your dog got. Oh, and try to get an exemption from the rabies shot. Your dog is likely to have a dangerous reaction. Find a good vet at http://www.holisticvetlist.com or go to Pitcairn.com.

  10. Amy Says:

    Our poor dog (9 mo) has not been feeling well for at least three weeks now. We have been working with our vet on this and we also have a dog nutritionist. It is just getting really frustrating to see him sad all the time. His symptoms are: lethargic, not eating well (we have to bring him the food and he will only eat certain things) and not firm stools (more like soft logs). No vomiting and he does still drink.

    He received a Bordetella nasal spray about 30 days prior to becoming sick.

    We did give him a heart worm pill (interceptor) and then a few days later he started not wanting to eat. His side effects sounded like they could be from the heart worm pill but they are still sticking around about 3 weeks later. Can the side effects last this long if they were from the pill?

    Would something from the Bordetella show up this far after he got the spray?

    His blood work shows:
    The white blood cells are high indicating infection, the HBG indicates low b-12 and/or dehydrated, high PHOS is thyroid or kidney trouble (CA is .5 below the high level), and the GLU is probably due to stress.
    MCV 74.5 (60-77) almost high
    RDW 15.8 (14.7-17.9)
    MCHC 37.5 (30-37.5) right on the high level
    MCH 27.94 (18.5-30) almost high
    PLT 474 (175-500) almost high

    Any information or tips would be appreciated!

  11. Jan Says:

    Amy, I’m sorry your dog isn’t feeling well. The combination of Bordetella and heartworm meds on the same day could well cause a reaction. See the possible reactions at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots Shots don’t combine well with heartworm, worm, or flea and tick meds — or rabies shots. Please read my blog articles on vaccinating for more information.

    Bordetella, according to the premier expert of pet vaccination, Dr. Ronald Schultz (Head of Pathobiology Dpt at U Wisconsin), is an unnecessary vaccine for most housedogs, although kennels and day care establishments often require it. He says: “Many animals receive “kennel cough” vaccines that include Bordetella and CPI and/or CAV-2 every 6 to 9 months without evidence that this frequency of vaccination is necessary or beneficial. In contrast, other dogs are never vaccinated for kennel cough and disease is not seen. CPI immunity lasts at least 3 years when given intranasally, and CAV -2 immunity lasts a minimum of 7 years parenterally for CAV-I. These two viruses in combination with Bordetella bronchiseptica are the agents most often associated with kennel cough, however, other factors play an important role in disease (e.g. stress, dust, humidity, molds, mycoplasma, etc.), thus kennel cough is not a vaccine preventable disease because of the complex factors associated with this disease. Furthermore, this is often a mild to moderate self limiting disease. I refer to it as the “Canine Cold.”

    The Bordetella vaccine is also one that is linked to adverse reactions. Adverse reactions to Interceptor heartworm medication, according to their literature, include depression/ lethargy, vomiting, ataxia [lack of coordination], anorexia, diarrhea, convulsions, weakness and hypersalivation. I hope you’ll read our article on heartworm meds Heartworm Medication Part 1: Truths, Omissions and Profits at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/05/13/heartworm-medication-safety/ (or click the “Heartworm” at our Truth4Dogs.com blog. Sign up to our blog so you’ll get Part 2 which will offer recommendations.

    I am not a vet, so can’t help you much with interpreting your dog’s blood results. If it were my dog, I’d see a vet trained in homeopathy as soon as possible. Vaccine reactions are, in my opinion, best treated with the proper homeopathy remedy. (Yes, homepathy is strange, but it is often very effective. You’ll need expert help.) Find a vet trained in homeopathy at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    I hope this helps. Thanks for posting your story here.

  12. Jan Says:

    Follow-up for Amy: Amy wrote me that the Bordetella vaccine was given separately. It is still a vaccine prone to adverse events. She also said that her day care required it. I hope all of you will join with me in educating day care operators, groomers and others about the ineffectiveness of the Bordetella vaccine. (Please see Dogs4Dogs.com/shots for more info.) According to top experts, vaccinating against a “canine cold” is habit and superstition, not science. And it is a habit with dangerous side effects. Sign up for http://www.Truth4Dogs.com to receive an upcoming article on the subject.

    If you have trouble finding a vet trained in homeopathy, try a homeopath for people. Many of them have also been trained for animals or have colleagues who do.
    One more thing, there are holistic vets and homepaths who do phone consults. If you need one, let me know.

  13. mayra Says:

    Puppy Vaccination:
    I have a 5 month Mini Pin – Chi 5 lbs he is a small bundle of love and energy! No shots given as of yet! He has been kept home where I do have another dog, 13 yr old bichon with renal failure. I give him daily Sub-Q fluids. In researching I am sure the annual vaccines played a major role in his illness! I want to at least try and do better with this puppy!

    Am I understanding this correct, as Dr. Charles Loops DVM states, for puppies, give ONE Distemper/Parvo vaccine, only one, right? The vet recommends going back several times for the same parvo/distemper shots. I located a vet that has the combo vaccine without any other vaccines mixed together (Ideally it would be best to give each one separately). Please let me know. I truly appreciate the excellent information you provide to pet lovers! Thank you!
    warmly,
    mayra in Miami, FL

  14. Jan Says:

    Thanks, Mayra. I’m glad you like my blog. Please tell your friends, and bookmark it if you will. My experts agree with Dr. Loops. Dr. Schultz says to give one shot after 4 months, then wait two weeks and do a blood titer test. Click this link to read about titer testing. Also see my web page Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Won’t Tell You.

  15. mayra Says:

    Thank you so very much Jan for the clarification! I wasn’t totally sure I was understanding it correctly. Yes, I will most definitely pass on your site and look into your book as well. Thank you VERY much for your insight and dedication to our cherished pets!

    warmly,
    Mayra in Miami, FL

  16. Kat (posted by Jan) Says:

    This message was sent to us by Kat after viewing one of K9Author’s videos on YouTube. It’s about vaccinating and spaying a stray dog:
    “We found a stray dog and so we have no idea what her vaccination history is or even if she has been spayed. She is probably about a year old at the most…looks like a small yellow lab.

    I want to just have her vaccinated for parvo and distemper only and of course we have to have her vaccinated for rabies. But my question for you is how long to wait between the spaying and the vaccinations? And how long between before she gets her rabies shot? And which order do you recommend having all of this done? I know I have seen this information somewhere on the Internet before but it was a long time ago and I just can’t seem to find it now.

    I would really appreciate any advice. At this point I don’t even know which thing should be done first, the spaying or the vaccinations.

    Reply from Jan: Re posted this story and answer on our other blog, Blog4Dogs: Vaccinating A Stray Dog: Which Shots and When?

  17. Alice Says:

    My 4 year old mini dachshund was vaccinated every year for the first 3 years. Our old vet gave him a 3-year rabies vaccine YEARLY along with the 5-in-one vaccines. I thought it seemed a bit too much, but the vet said she wanted to protect him, that these were terrible and fatal diseases, and made me feel like a terrible pet parent for even questioning her.

    Several months after his annual vaccinations in the summer of 2008, he was found to have a low platelet count. The count came back up after a trip to the University of Pennsylvania Vet hospital (they are the BEST), but dipped fatally low again in the spring of 2009. After a week in the hospital (again at PennVets – there’s no place better, I assure you!), he was released and he’s been on steroids ever since. We’re tapering him off very slowly and his count seems to be pretty good and holding in the normal range.

    When it came time for our annual check up this year, our NEW vet read my little guy’s file (I have copies of everything) and asked me only if I boarded my dog. When I said no, the vet said that he didn’t think it was a good idea to vaccinate anymore, except for rabies every 3 years. He said, “Some people believe that vaccinations can lead to low platelet counts. I’d rather treat him for kennel cough or distemper than risk him bleeding to death.” I was very concerned about not vaccinating, but this page has really made me feel better about taking care of my little guy.

    Just remember, you’re the parent and you have to follow your gut. Find a vet who isn’t afraid of your internet research and will address all of your questions openly and honestly.

  18. Jan Says:

    Alice, I’m glad you’ve found a vet who doesn’t believe in yearly vaccination. Not one vet school in North America, and not one veterinary organization, recommends annual revaccination. There has never been a study that said it was necessary and there are many saying they are not only unnecessary, but harmful.

    I have one problem with your current vet’s suggestion. Why in the world would he even consider giving a rabies shot — the most reactive vaccine? Most states allow exemptions for dogs with serious health issues, and your dog certainly qualifies. The rabies vaccine has been shown by challenge (that is, exposing dogs to the virus) to give immunity for 5 years in a 1992 French study. The Rabies Challenge Fund founders, world-renowned pet vaccination experts Drs. Ron Schultz and Jean Dodds, say that blood tests show 7 or more years of immunity and they are currently testing a 7-year shots for USDA approval. They believe that most dogs get lifetime immunity. I suggest you see what the laws are in your state. If they don’t allow exemptions for health problems, get the laws changed. They’re changing the laws in Massachusetts as I write. Also, note that all vaccines say to give only to healthy pets. Please see my article Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets for more details.

  19. Alice Says:

    Thanks, Jan. My pup isn’t due for that rabies shot until next year and I got the impression my vet was only doing it because of state law. I’ll check about the laws in my state. Thanks again!

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  21. Michelle at FromTheHorsesBack.com Says:

    Great post! This is definitely a topic that needs to be explored and pet owners need more education about. I have struggled with the repercussions of not vaccinating yearly and it can be a difficult road. We need to teach people the truth about vaccinations! Thanks so much for the good information.

  22. Jan Says:

    Michelle, thanks. I’m glad you liked my article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots. I hope you’ll share it with friends.

    I hope you’ll also read my new article Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert? If your vet has been vaccinating your dog annually, your vet is no expert. Your vet is a businessperson.

    Need proof? Go to my Vaccinating Dogs web page and check out the links at the bottom to the WASA report and the 2006 AAHA report. Experts have been warning about over-vaccination for many years. Not one vet organization or vet school in North America recommends annual re-vaccination. It is unnecessary and dangerous. Also, I hope you’ll subscribe to this blogand keep reading about vaccination.

    I’d be interested to know more about why you “struggled with the repercussions of not vaccinating yearly and it can be a difficult road.” Was your vet argumentative? Many are. Why not just do a titer test for parvo and distemper and relax? It’s far safer to have proof of immunity than it is to merely give another shot.

    BTW, there has never ever been a study showing that dogs needed annual re-vaccination for the core diseases. Please, find a vet who puts health first and stays up to date with veterinary journal reading. Your dog’s health depends on it.

  23. Rachel Says:

    I have a 2 yr old malti poo that is with us every second of the day and recently in the most bizarre incident found a door that was open while we were gone and was running around the neighborhood but eventually came back in the house.

    During the time she was out, one of the neighbors called animal control which is now causing HUGE problems. Animal control said she needs to be licensed and in order to be licensed she needs to have her rabies shot. They’ll have to kill me first before they EVER come near my dog with that toxic poison, I really need someone’s help!!!

    This entire situation is a complete nightmare and causing me huge distress. Our malti poo was donated to our beautiful 8 yr old daughter while she was fighting for her life in the hospital. Our daughter was vaccine injured and was diagnosed with cancer which was caused from the vaccines(lawsuit filed).

    She was only 8 years old and fought for two years, we miss her so much. The owners were very generous and walked into her room and wanted to see some joy back in her life by donating a puppy to her. When they gave her the dog they told my husband and I that the puppy was still recovering from a vaccine injury and had a horrible reaction so whatever we do DO NOT get her vaccinated. Well, we have no idea who the couple was that donated her, we don’t have a way to contact them which means we have no records of her adverse reaction to her vaccines.

    This whole situation is so disheartening, I am praying someone can help us. Is there an attorney that can help us? They are going to kill our dog the same way they killed our daughter. I’m so tired of big pharma killing our children and animals all in the name of profit and greed. They could care less as long as their pocket books are filled. It disgusts me.

    Our maltipoo never leaves our sight and when outside she is always supervised. The chances of her coming in contact with a raccon or some wild animal is ZERO. They should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon for making rabies shots a law. I will die for the right to protect my dog, so I’m hoping it doesnt come to that. I am hoping that someone out there has an idea, resources, experience, contacts for us.

    Thank you so much for listening and thank you for this amazing encouraging supportive awesome website. I will make sure to tell everyone I know to come here and definitely donate to the rabies fund.
    God Bless
    Rachel

  24. Eva Seekers Says:

    I have found that no vet will work on your dog/cat without proof of a yearly rabies shot. This is another way they get you!
    They have made it a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for many family pets! My vet didn’t want to even run a CBC on my dog until I provided her rabies tag from last year, then she guilted me into it on a return trip for another reason! This has opened my eyes, you know, channels like animal planet run shows about poor neglected animals all the time, but they never run shows about things like vet complaints, problems, arrests, adverse reactions, etc. Seems to me, we should petetion them to do so!!!!!

  25. Jan Says:

    Eva, there are few places — no states, only localities — that require a yearly rabies shot. Read the newly-posted article TREATING ADVERSE VACCINE REACTIONS by JEAN DODDS, DVM at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/08/06/treating-adverse-vaccine-reactions-by-jean-dodds-dvm/ Then change the law! It can happen relatively quickly. Write me and I’ll give you the e-mail address of Kris Christine, Founder of the Rabies Challenge Fund, and the person who has gotten laws changed all over the country. There is no science anywhere showing a need for yearly rabies shots.

  26. Jan Says:

    Rachel, what a dilemma. I completely emphasize. My dog Jiggy would die if he got a shot of any kind. Fortunately, we have years of blood tests and ultrasounds showing autoimmune disease to back up his exemptions.

    What you need is a holistic vet who can evaluate your dog’s health and see if she qualifies for an exemption in your area. There are referral lists for holistic vets on this link. If you can’t find someone suitable, write me (find contact info here) and I’ll see if I know any knowledgeable vets in your area.

    If a dog who has previously reacted badly to shots has to get a shot, a holistic vet skilled in homeopathy can give a homeopathic remedy with the shot to lessen any reaction. Stay in the doctor’s office for several hours afterwards and get the shot in the morning so you can stand watch all day. Dr. Dodd’s article: Treating Adverse Vaccine Reactions discusses these remedies.

    It would help if you knew what kind of reaction the dog had had previously, and to what shot. This is why I harp endlessly about making sure all reactions are recorded in a dog’s file. I know this doesn’t apply to you, but may help others reading this.

    Animal Control won’t look the other way unless a vet applies for, and grants, an exemption to rabies vaccination. Try your best to get one. I’d suggest going to the media but they’re likely to be uneducated in immunology and will probably, out of fear of contracting rabies, be on Animal Control’s side.

    One more thing. It’s possible that the previous owners were exaggerating, or hated all vaccines, or that the dog was allergic to an ingredient in a shot other than rabies. Try to proceed without stressing yourself, and also your dog, until you have more facts. I hope this helps.

  27. Kayla Says:

    My husband and I were given an 8 month old standard dachshund as a gift last weekend. We have an exam appointment scheduled for Monday. All I know from the prior owner is that they gave him his first 2 sets of vaccinations by themselves and they never brought him in to the vet. The vet that I called is recomended by family and friends but they want to start him over on vaccinations since they don’t know what he’s received and when. After reading your blog I’m concerned that it’s too much. I know he needs his rabies vaccination but I’m not sure what else I should give him since I don’t really have an answer for the vet’s questions. Any suggestions for our little boy Max?

  28. Jan Says:

    Kayla, I’m so glad you wrote before going to the vet’s. I usually hear from people after the damage is done.

    Okay, I’m not a vet, but here’s what I’d do if it were my dog. First of all, most people don’t have a clue what makes a vet good or bad. Usually it just means that they haven’t killed their pet and they’re pleasant. Maybe they talk baby talk to their dogs. That doesn’t mean they know what they’re doing or that they put care before profits. I hope you’ll ask lots of questions and go with your gut. I have two videos I recommend you watch: Avoiding Dangerous Vets and Stand Up to Your Vet. They’re both at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet They’re about 7 minutes long. You might also watch my video at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots

    Next, I wouldn’t give any shots at all if you think your dog is ill or stressed in any way, which he may well be because he’s moving to a new home. If you feel you have to give a rabies shot, give it alone. No other shots! No worming! No other meds including flea meds. If you’re lucky, your vet knows to give the homeopathic remedy Lyssin with the shot. If not, and if you still go to the vet, I’d try to find a homeopath or let me know and I’ll give you a referral. If you watched my video about the rabies vaccine, you’ll know why this is important. http://www.truth4dogs.org

    I don’t know where you live, but if the vet pushes heartworm meds, read my heartworm articles first. Especially, read Part 1. In any event, don’t give the meds for at least a few days after a rabies shot. Longer would be better. Don’t get a heartworm shot ever! http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/pet-meds/heartworms/

    If it were my dog, I’d get a titer test for parvovirus and distemper before the rabies shot. It’s a simple blood test and should cost about $80 total for the two tests. If the dog has “strong” titers according to the test, then don’t give any shots for anything other than rabies. If the titers are weak, which they probably won’t be, have the vet order a shot (if he doesn’t carry it) that contains only those two shots. Give it once and retest 2 or more weeks later (or just presume immunity). Read about titer testing if you like at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/

    Do not let him give a “combo” shot, a shot containing multiple vaccines. They’re called things like DHLPP or 5-way. They are dangerous and unnecessary. You might want to read my vaccine page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots There’s a lot of good info there. I wouldn’t give Bordetella (kennel cough) either. It seldom works. Besides, it’s for a canine cold. Treat the cold if he gets one. If the vet wants to give a combo, he’s not the vet you want. Try the referral list at http://www.holisticvetlist.com In fact, if I were you, I’ll call the vet’s office and ask them what shots they recommend and how often. If they give annual shots for parvo or distemper, or a combo shot, go elsewhere.

    Vets make their money off shots and meds. Some are wonderful. Some are not. Be careful, and let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks for advocating for your dog’s health. Oh, here’s another article you might read about vets and their vaccination expertise. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/veterinarians/

    My quarterly newsletter just went out. You can view it and subscribe (at no cost) at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/LateSummer2009

  29. Carole Divine-Snowney Says:

    I just read your article about the dangers of rabies vacine. I have for the last 8 months takiing my precious Lhaso Apso to the vets for skin rash/hot spots. They seem to get progressively worse, even with the allergies shots and spray. Then, after reading your article about the dangers of rabies vacine and its side affects, it dawn on me. Bobby’s allergies and hot spots began about 1 month after having his 3 year shot and boosters. He is 8 years old and never had this condition before. I feel so very bad for him, he is not the happy go lucky Pup I once had, he is constantly licking . I have given him baths with very gentle soap and also his groomer has made sure he has very gently soap for bathing. I seems that all the medicine prescribe for him, which is extremeiy expensive does nothing to stop this horrible hot spots. After reading your article it has to be the vacine and boosters he received. I am going to make an appointment with my Vet today, Do you have any suggestions as to what I should be pointing out to him. Thank you so much for all the tremendous articles

  30. Jan Says:

    Carole, I do have a suggestion. Go to a different vet. Your vet has had 8 months to get it right and never even mentioned vaccination. You know what dogs say: the definition of insanity is continuing to go to the same vet and expect different results. Your vet should have suggested this by now himself. If he/she didn’t have the answer, someone else will. Don’t worry about hurt feelings. Your dog will hurt more than your vet if something doesn’t change. One last thought on switching: if you can’t bring yourself to switch, bring in a consultant. Dr. Kruesi at http://www.crvetcenter.com is brilliant. He will work with you or work with your vet and consults by phone. He has treated my Jiggy for years. But I’d go ahead and switch if I were you.

    You need a vet who understands vaccinosis and homeopathy. See the referral list on my Find a Good Vet page: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Only homeopathy can help reverse the effects of vaccine induced disease. You should also take a look at my rabies vaccine page: http://truth4dogs.org. There are links to skin diseases there, both brought on by the rabies vaccine. But these aren’t the only ones.

    Hot spots can also be caused by diet. I presume you have switched to a pure, natural food. A raw diet could make all the difference. Learn about it, then make a very gradual switch.

    I hope you’ll take a look at my newsletter. I talk about the rabies vaccine some more there. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/LateSummer2009 Good luck!

  31. Terence Rea Says:

    I have received 3 compliant orders to license my dog.I have not complied because my dog was sick after his first rabbies shot,and it left a lump on his side where they shot him.They charged me $45.00 to tell me it would cost $1,000 to remove it. This was before I learned the lump could be from the shot.Anyway,the animal control people harass me regulary,and I seek more facts and support so these pricks don’t intimidate me. thank you and reply if you have any suggestions.

  32. Jan Says:

    Terence, many states allow exemptions for dogs who are ill or have had previous adverse reactions to the rabies shot. This is your only legal way to avoid problems with animal control. Where you live has a lot to do with how easy or impossible exemptions are to get.

    If your area allows exemptions, you need to get together all documentation about the lump, where it was, when it developed, photos if any. You’ll need the written estimate for removing the lump. If the vet said, or is willing to say, that the lump likely developed from the shot, this would help a lot. Tell the vet you’re not blaming him/her, but are just trying to help your dog. I always suggest people get documentation the minute they see a problem. This is why.

    Have you asked the vet in question to apply for an exemption? If that vet refused, then find a sympathetic holistic vet. Perhaps that vet will know more about immunology and will have enough information to make the leap and help you. Or perhaps your dog’s current blood work will show problems that preclude vaccination. If you have to get the shot, you definitely want a holistic vet there. You’ll need to give a homeopathic remedy with the shot. Find vet referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    You can ask the Animal Control board if a strong rabies titer test, along with documentation, will buy you some time. Here’s an article about titer testing: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/ The rabies titer test is expensive, about $150, so determine in advance whether or not it is likely to help. Again, a holistic vet can help you there.

    If your state doesn’t allow exemptions for health reasons, get the law changed. They’re changing the law in Massachusetts as we speak.

    Persevere. And good luck.

  33. JJ Says:

    Just wanted to say thank you. Have been getting the DHLPPC and Bord Nasal for several years now but just felt like I should finally do some research. Glad to know I don’t need to keep pumping my Lab with something she doesn’t need. Kind of like the flu shot my family never gets and guess what, we have never gotten the flu. Go figure.

  34. Jan Says:

    Hi JJ. I’m delighted you liked my article on eliminating unnecessary dog shots. I hope you saw my new article on DHLPPC and other combination shots, too. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/09/combination-shot-for-dogs/

    I don’t get flu shots, either. And I, too, never get the flu.

  35. Maggie (posted by Jan from email) Says:

    Everytime I go to the vet they want all of this money for ALL of these vaccines. Needless to say I am in the doggie poor house and was looking/searching to see if all of this was necessary.

    I know everyone has their own opinions, which I respect, but I just want the truth. It seems that I cannot get another opinion as all of the vets keep saying vaccinate, heartworm prev. meds, blah blah blah.

    What do you suggest, if anything?

    I have an almost 6 yr old Pem Welch Corgi and a 4 month old Shih-poo.

  36. Jan Says:

    Maggie, first, I’m not a vet. Second, about heartworm. Unless you live in an area that’s warm all winter, you can probably hold off on heartworm meds. Make sure you read my article about how temperature affects heartworm development. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/05/13/heartworm-medication-safety/ When it warms up again, or if it stays warm during the winter, read the second part of the article about heartworm prevention. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/06/16/heartworm-preventative-options/

    Third, about vaccinating your adult Corgi, other than rabies which is required by law, your dog may be through with shots. Ask for a titer test (pronounced TIGHTer) for parvo and distemper. The combination test should cost around $80-90 including blood draw. If possible, ask your vet to draw the blood then send it to Hemopet.org for interpretation by Dr. Jean Dodds; her prices are usually better than anyone else’s and her reading of the results is reliable and clear. At Hemopet, click Diagnostic Tests and go to the bottom of the page for instructions. If your test shows immunity, Dr. Ron Schultz says to presume immunity for life. Read more about titer testing: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/ If the test shows no immunity, your dog may still be immune, especially to parvo which is everywhere in the environment. The titer test article explains more about this. If you decide to vaccinate, follow the instructions for your Shih-Poo.

    Fourth, re vaccinating your puppy, it depends on what shots your dog has already had. It’s likely he/she will need a parvovirus and distemper shot. DO NOT allow the vet to give a combination shot. Then, no sooner than two weeks after vaccination, do a titer test. If the test shows immunity, that pup is finished with shots, too. Some vets suggest titer testing again in 3-5 years. Others say that’s it.

    Before vaccinating, read my article on protecting dogs from vaccine reactions: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/

    Learn more about vaccinating small and medium sized dogs at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/ This is one of the most important articles I’ve written.

    I hope you read all the articles. They’re important to understanding what’s happening with your dog’s health. Also, know that my suggestions are what I’d do if I were you, but I’m not. You have to make your own decision.

    I hope you sign up for my blog http://www.truth4dogs.com and free newsletter for more information on holistic health. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/signup

  37. j.deVictoria Says:

    My retired guide dog Hansel (age 8 1/2 at the time) a yellow labrador- became a victim of the “annual booster shot” when after the vacination within 30 days became very lethargic and showed signs of his immune system breaking-down. The local vet clinic did not suspect (or at least did not reveal to me) that this could be some problem never before manifested – This vet clinic was seeing Hansel every year for a “checK up” and his last check Up was only 5 months prior to the “annual booster scheduled when he was declared “fit”.

    Several test were performed an twice given blood transfusions but our Hansel did not survive more than 60 days from the day of the “booster”. The Vet clinic came up with the diagnosis of “lukemia” for lack of any other explanation. Never the issue of the possible reaction to the “booster’ was acknowledged even after I brought it up to two different Vets associated with the same clinic.

    I changed Vet for my other dog and brought up Hansel sudden death after the “booster”. He said he have heard similar stories before and is of the opinion that house-pets that do not “roam out” and are kept under adult supervision for meals and other open fields “companions” do not need a booster unless local municipal codes requires it and even then , just alike humans about pneumonia not more frequent than 5-6 years should the prcautionary “booster” be considered.

  38. Jan Says:

    Most adult dogs don’t need most shots. I wish more vets would test titers (looking for blood antibodies) rather than vaccinating unnecessarily. If you’re speaking of the rabies booster, yearly boosters are unnecessary no matter the circumstances. The manufacturers guarantee their vaccines for 3 years and studies show immunity much longer.

  39. B.J. Says:

    Jan, I received your book, it is wonderful! I’m only in the vaccine chapter and I had a question. I’m reading the vaccine schedules by Dr Dodds, Dr. Schultz and your vet. I am puzzled by your vet’s schedule.

    She is administering parvo at 10 wks, and then distemper at 11 weeks. Another parvo at 13-14 weeks and another distemper at 14-15 weeks. That means some of the vaccines are one week apart. From my research this is too close together. The vaccine recommendations I’ve seen say it’s ideal to space 3-4 weeks apart, with the 4 weeks preferred to avoid adverse reactions and to prevent interference from the first vaccine.

    Why so close? Isn’t more time between vaccines better? I’m surprised by this schedule, considering your stance on vaccines. Personally, I would not be comfortable with this. Is there a reason for this? Thank you for any clarification on this issue…..B.J.

  40. Jan Says:

    Hi B.J. When I read your question, I panicked. Had I misquoted her? Then I figured out why she said what she said about how long you should wait between shots in a puppy vaccination schedule.

    On pages 30 and 31 of Scared Poopless, Jean Dodds recommends spacing vaccinations 3-4 weeks apart. WSAVA (World Small Animal Veterinary Assoc.) guidelines recommend the same thing. Jean, and most vets, give parvo and distemper vaccines together, wait 3-4 weeks for the immune system to respond, then give the next in the series. You’re right; you should never give shots two or fewer weeks apart.

    My vet, on the other hand, prefers to vaccinate, when she can, with just one vaccine at a time to lessen the stress on the dog. Parvo this week; distemper, two weeks later. If she waited 3-4 weeks after the parvo shot for the first distemper shot, the dog would be unprotected too long. After the both shots, she waits 3-4 weeks then gives a parvo, then a week later gives the distemper.

    Dr. Schultz, by the way, now recommends giving distemper, parvo and adenovirus-2, all together, at 15 -16 weeks, not 12. Then he tests titers. That increases the chance that maternal immunity won’t interfere. That change happened recently. Continued research changes things, which is why I have a blog. All the latest vaccination info is at Truth4Dogs.com and Blog4Dogs.com.

    I hope this explains it. And appreciate your reading my book so carefully! Keep it up! — Jan

  41. How to Avoid Vaccination Reactions in Dogs | Truth4Dogs Says:

    […] Stop giving unnecessary vaccines.  Parvovirus, distemper and adenovirus-2 are the only shots recommended for all dogs by virtually every veterinary organization and school. All others are for special circumstances only; many are ineffective and may cause reactions (including death). […]

  42. Susan Says:

    Hi Jan
    Thank you for all the work you do! I recently was given a puppy from a friend who got her from a recue group. She was given the first DHLPPC vaccination and bordetella at around 10 weeks. She is now almost 14 weeks and I am not sure what to do next as far as vaccinations. Does she really need to get any of them again? I will get her a rabies vaccine so I can get her licenced, but not till she is at least 6 months and only the one time. I am feeding her a fresh/raw organic diet and I have given her homeopatics for the detox of the first vaccinations. I really want to only do what is necessary and safe for her. I know that rabies is the only required vaccine. But I want to be able to take her to the beach and parks and know that she will be safe from getting any of the prevalent risks. My last dog was a stray and I rescued him when he was about two years old and the foster family gave him all of the basic vaccines when they found him. I never got him anymore until I moved to San Diego when he was eight years old, just rabies so I could get him a licence. I raised him holistically, as I will my new companion, made him a fresh, raw and organic diet. His quality of life was great. As it should be for all dogs. It is sad that we can be conditioned by fear to do things that are harmful to us and our animal companions. I appreciate your advice, someone who is on the same page. Thanks! :) Susan

  43. Deanna Demers Says:

    Hi
    After my older aussie Tipsoo had a vaccine against Lyme’s
    disease, she was so sick and it took her two weeks to get
    her energy back.
    It was on a Friday afternoon and the vets were only open
    Saturday morning.
    After that, I stipped all booster shots for her.
    I have a puppy just over a year old now too.
    I am wondering why the rabies shot has to be given every
    two years in Massachusetts where we live while my friend
    in Iowa only is required to give her border collie a rabies
    shot every three years.
    To me, one, two or three years is over-medicating.
    I don’t like following a law that doesn’t make sense.
    I’ve had Tipsoo for 10 years now and I never came across
    a rabid animal.
    I am always with them when they are outside, we never go
    in deep woods and they are always on leash out of the yard.
    I do not use chemicals to treat fleas, ticks, etc.
    I didn’t have one flea in the house this summer.
    I didn’t even see a tick either.
    Why can’t all states test for how many years the rabies shot
    should be given?
    Maybe 6 or 7 years apart would be a saner way???
    People have to get educated.
    I do what I can to read up, I belong to a australian shepherd
    list and I’m on alert all the time.
    My vet doesn’t object when I tell him or them no booster shots.
    That seems fine and they don’t try to talk me into anything.
    But this rabies shot…I think they over do it!
    Namaste, Deanna

  44. Jan Says:

    Deanna, the state law in every state now is 3 years. All manufacturers guarantee the shot for 3 years, and have for many years. If the law is 2 years in your county, work to change it. They do it for money. Go to http://www.truth4dogs.org and look for Kris Christine’s email address in the upper left. She’s the activist who got numerous laws changed and who founded the Rabies Challenge Fund. The Fund is working to prove that the rabies shot works for 5 years (which the French have already proved); after that, they’re going for 7. I hope you’ll support them. http://www.rabieschallengefund.org I’m doing a benefit seminar for the Fund in San Diego in March. http://www.petseminar.org

  45. Jan Says:

    Hi Susan. The only shots your dog might need are parvo and distemper. Never Lepto (the L in the combo shot) or Coronavirus (the C). Bordetella is useless and dangerous according to experts. Read my article about combination shots: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/09/combination-shot-for-dogs/

    If money is no object, you can titer test for parvo & distemper and see if your dog already has immunity. However, your dog may have been too young at 10 weeks to get immunity. He/she may need one more parvo/distemper. If you decide to vaccinate, read this first: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/ It’s about avoiding adverse vaccine reactions.

    Do you know about my vaccination seminar in San Diego in March? The world’s top experts are coming. Check it out at http://www.petseminar.org

  46. Cheryl Battles Says:

    Jan, you say the rabies shot is required once every three years in every state, but here in NYS they say that if your pet has never had a rabies shot, that you have to have one a year for two years in succession before you can be certified to only get one every three years thereafter.

    I have two shelties, small dogs, and I am balking at giving them rabies shots at all, let alone two years in a row.

    The free clinics for rabies only authorize for one year unless you can prove your dog has had a previous rabies shot.

    I am ready to squawk about this. Do you have advice?

    Thanks, and God bless you and your work.

    C. Battles

  47. Jan Says:

    Cheryl, the first time a dog is vaccinated, usually at 4-6 months, it has to be followed by a 3-year shot the next year. I agree, it stinks.

    You have only a few choices: break the law (which I can’t advocate) or try for an exemption if your dogs have health problems. If you have to get the shot, go to a holistic vet who can give you a homeopathic remedy with the shot. Find a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet At the very least, get a homeopathic remedy from marina@naturalrearing.com. It’s no guarantee, but it’s your best bet. Also make sure your dog is in perfect health and is eating the best possible food.

    The only way to cut back on shots in the long run is by supporting the Rabies Challenge Fund. http://www.rabieschallengefund.org They’re trying to prove that the shot lasts 5 years, and then 7. They’re also working to establish a blood titer standard.

  48. Cheryl Battles Says:

    A blood titer standard would be good. They should have some different kind of shot for the second time around also, less adjuvents.

    Also, what about the laws that require that the shots can’t be split? It makes no sense to me that the same shot is given to a chi dog as the horse. Yes, they give the same shots to horses as to a 5 pound chiauaua.

    Thanks for the tip on the homeopathic remedy. I will definitely get that for my dogs. Shelties are so little. I moved to the country for privacy and to be self-sufficient because I see hard times coming, and instead everybody knows your business here and the dog warden lives up the road and drives by and snoops to see what’s going on, knows when I get a dog, checks to see if it’s got a license, and counts my hay bales to see if I’m feeding my animals enough.

    Sometimes you want to move to Russia. I think they have more liberty there.

  49. Jan Says:

    Cheryl, the remedy to give with rabies vaccination is Lyssin. Naturalrearing can tell you how to give it.

    Re getting a different shot the second time, instead they give the exact same vaccine but they switch the label from One Year to Three Year. Really!

    There are quite a few holistic vets who split vaccine doses for small dogs, but not for rabies. It’s illegal and vets can lose their license.

    The titer standard, if accepted by the USDA, would be the best thing for dogs. We could stop vaccinating a lot of sick and aging dogs. Of course, there’s a lot of controversy about titers. They can pretty much prove immunity when titers are strong, but when they’re weak, lots of vets want to revaccinate. Many experts say that once immune, always immune. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. It can drive you crazy.

    Re going to other countries, when China had a rabies outbreak, they slaughtered pets, beating many dogs to death with clubs. I think I’ll stay here.

  50. erica Says:

    Hi we have a 4 month old lab puppy I have not had him vaccinated yet and was going to today but when i called over 20 different vets they all told me different vaccines he would need and it all seemed extremely expensive. Some said they could have him up to date in 2 sessions and some dragged it out to as many as six shot sessions. Now I am lost on what shots he really needs and what vets were just trying to over vaccinate to get more money out of me. I want to do what’s best for him but I have no idea what vaccines to even get him at his age. I want to go buy the vaccines myself at the local vaccine store so I know what the vet is giving him. Can you please let me know what he would need at 4 months to become up to date and not over vaccinated. We live in central Utah so I have no idea what diseases are here and what are not. Thank you for your help Erica

  51. Jan Says:

    Hi Erica. I’m not a vet, but one of the world’s top experts, Dr. Ron Schultz, vaccinates his own dogs with ONE shot of distemper, parvovirus and adenovirus-2. Another expert, Dr. Dodds does not give the adenovirus-2, and neither would I. It is virtually non-existent in North America. Schultz gives it to keep it nonexistent.

    If it were my dog, I’d give one shot of parvo and distemper and nothing else. Then I’d do a titer test in 3 weeks. That will test that immunity has been given. If, as expected, your dog has immunity, you’re done. If not, give one more round around 4 weeks after the first round. Keep the manufacturer name and lot # and all details possible in case you have to prove the shots have been given.

    Titer testing is relatively inexpensive at http://www.hemopet.org — Dr. Dodds’s lab. Wait several weeks after the shot, or as long as legally possible, and then you’ll probably have to give a rabies shot. Do not give the rabies shot yourself. It has to be administered by a vet to be legal. There is a remedy that can help make the shot safer, although it doesn’t always work, here: write marina at naturalrearing.com

    Here are two articles to read: one on protecting against reactions http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/ and another on titer testing. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/

    I hope this is helpful.

  52. Traci Says:

    Hi, my name is Traci & I recently got a german shpherd/chow mix puppy from the Rescue, She had been given shots at 8 weeks of age & I had not read your info so I took her & got shots at 12 weeks of age, now the vet recommends shots again at 16 weeks old, should I do this? I know I will have to give her the rabie shot since she hasn’t had it, but should I give a third round of shots? Also, I was given a free Sentinel Flav. heart pill & I give it to her assuming it was good for her since my vet give it to us. Should I have done that & should I give her another? We live in south Alabama & near a swamp. I would appreciate any help you could give me this being our first family pet. Thanks, Traci

  53. Jan Says:

    Hi Traci. I’m not a vet, but I can tell you what I’ve been told and what I’d do. If money is not an object, have a titer test done at 15 or 16 weeks for parvo and distemper. Those are the only shots I would give my dogs. Do not give a combo shot! If the titers are strong, no more shots. If they’re week, vaccinate for parvo and distemper. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/

    Top expert Dr. Ron Schultz says to give the last shots at 15 or 16 weeks, but some dogs get immunity sooner. It depends on the maternal immunity given.

    If money is an object — the test costs $60 – 80 — get the parvo and distemper shot. Wait 3 or 4 weeks before giving the rabies shot. This is important!

    Re heartworm meds, there are two articles about it on my blog. Heartworm infection is temperature dependent. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/pet-meds/heartworms/

  54. Riana Says:

    Good day, I’m sorry if this question seems a little repetative, but I am seeking urgent advice!

    I have 2 almost 12 week old Weimaraner pups, one of which, – the male had a reaction ( VET will not confirm that it was due to Vaccination ) but that is my thought…..

    They were Vaccinated at 6 weeks I’m not sure what the Vaccine was as this was before I got them, and then the next scheduled Vaccine was at 9 weeks ( 31st of December ) We took them for Vaccinations Schering – Plough P25000-13, galaxy DA2PPv – not sure what that means, and 5 days after my male pup was Lethargic, had a fever of 41 degrees , wasn’t eating well etc. I took him to the VET, they tested for Parvo and another virus, both negative, gave him an Antibiotic shot and sent him home with meds. By the next morning his fever was still 40 Degrees and I had to take him back as he was very dehydrated. They did blood test, it showed hight white blood cell count, They admitted him to hospital put on a Drip got his fever down later that day and he apparently walked around that night, ate well, drank water and was up all night moaning – very Noisy!

    They phoned me the next morning to come and fetch him as apparently he was making alot of noise and upsetting the other patients. We of course welcomed the good news and fetched him, he cried and moaned since he was put in our arms, in the car, at home etc…. he couldn’t stand or walk, I phoned the VET, she said he might just be tired because he was up all night, and that we should watch him…. of course my heart was torn to pieces when we realized he couln’t even stand up to pee, we had to hold him up afterwich he would just collapse….

    He ate, drank water from a baby bottle as he was unable to stand, and was alert BUT in allot of pain when trying to stand, he couldn’t even reposition himself while sleeping… That’s when I googled his symptoms and got to a diagnosis myself, mentioned it to the VET when I took him back the following morning, they did not agree and did further tests, after another weekend in the hospital, they finally agreed with me that it is HOD after having a look at his X-Rays.

    I fetched him, he was now on Rimadyl chews 1/4 twice a day and Synulox 250mg 1/2 twice a day. After that evening still having to support him while he wee’d he started walking and standing again. This was last Monday the 11th January… This Thursday him and his sister will be 12 weeks and apparently due for their next puppy shots…..

    I don’t want to take them as I am scared to death that he will relapse and his sister might also have the same reaction….

    Please help me! What should I do. I’m in South Africa ( Cape Town )

    Warm Regards
    Riana and James + our kids Comet and Astro ( weims)

  55. allison Says:

    Hi Jan, we live in southern california. We just took our ten week old “chipoo” LULU for her first set of shots this weekend the 6 in 1 combo. My question is she is so tiny and was so sore, I felt so bad for her. Back in the 70’s when i was a child and we had dogs, we only got them there first set. Are a second set really needed, will i put her at risk by NOT getting them? How long is she vaccinated for with just a first set, once she hashad them will they be in her immunity? I know the parvo shot was included whatever the 6 in 1 combo is that is what she had, does she really need more shots. ?? thanks from lulu

  56. Jan Says:

    Riana and James, you need a new vet! I can’t believe what they’ve put that poor dog through. I wish I could refer you to someone, but I know no one in South Africa.

    I’m not a vet, but if it were my dog, I’d never give that dog a shot again. His sibling is likely to also be a reactor. Unfortunately, 9 weeks is unlikely to be old enough to have gotten immunity from a shot. And your pup who reacted probably wouldn’t have gotten immunity anyway. You can do a titer test to test immunity, but it’s not cheap and is likely to come back showing no immunity. But if money isn’t an object, it’s worth a try.

    If you keep your dogs indoors or in their own yard and away from other dogs or places where dogs have been, you can help keep your dogs safe while you find a good vet. The shots that are most important are parvo and distemper, but manufacturers say not to vaccinate sick dogs.

    I don’t know if homeopathy is available in South Africa, but a skilled homeopath can likely help. I’m sorry, but I can’t really help with this. You need a competent vet, and it appears that you don’t currently have one.

    I Googled holistic vet and South Africa and found quite a few results. Check these out: http://aolsearcht12.search.aol.com/aol/search?query=holistic+vet+and+south+africa&s_it=keyword_rollover Maybe you’ll find a vet to help. My best advice is to trust your instincts.

    Here’s an article to read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/

  57. Jan Says:

    Hi Allison. First of all, combo shots for small dogs are very dangerous. Please read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/

    The two shots I would give, if it were my dog, would be parvo and distemper only. Generally, the last shot should be given at 15 or 16 weeks. Otherwise, maternal immunity may make your dog immune to the shot.

    No more combo shots! Find a smarter vet. And let me know when your dog got the first shots.

  58. catherine Says:

    my dog is 9 years old i give him every year the distemper and rabbies injection i dont know what to do since i read your opinion

  59. Jan Says:

    Catherine, the first thing you need to do is find a new vet. Either your vet is way behind the times or is taking advantage of you or both.

    In virtually every state and most localities, rabies should be given no more often than every three years. This is a dangerous shot. Call your local animal control and see what the law is in your area.

    Distemper shots give immunity for 5 to 7 years, depending on what strain is given. This is science, not opinion. There’s a lot of info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots There’s also a great article by a top vaccination expert at http://www.spinoneus.org/forum/uploaded/Admin/Vaccinations2007.pdf

    Again, get another vet. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

  60. allison Says:

    Hi Jan, just saw your reply regarding LULU, she was so sore literally for 2 whole weeks we couldnt even pick her up. She had the 6 in 1, since she has had those and im keeping her inside and she isnt around other dogggies. We are to go back this weekend will she be SAFE IF WE GET HER ONLY THE SECOND DISTEMPER AND PARVO??? THANKS FROM lulu

  61. Jan Says:

    Hi Allison. I would not let her get a 6 in one, but vets who like those whombo combo shots probably won’t have any vaccines that only contain parvo and distemper.

    How old is your pup and how large? When did you give the last vaccine? Here’s an article to read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/

  62. love-springer-spaniels.com Says:

    A really interesting insightful article that should make us all think

  63. kim Says:

    i think its only about money, more so then the animal.

  64. Navi and Tavi Says:

    Hi, Jan,

    I have 2 Siberian Husky puppies on the way. They are currently 4 and 5 weeks. My breeder is going to give the 5 week old a 7 combo shot and she said “plus Corona” or something like that. She’s supposed to do it next week when I pick up the first one. she wants to show me how to administer the shot, because I planned to do the next set of shots.

    In any event, after reading all this, I’m wondering if I should prevent her from giving the puppies any vaccines at all. I need advice quick, because we pick the first one up in a week.

    Since neither Navi or Tavi have had ANY shots, what should they be getting at this age? And after they get the first of whatever it is you say, should they get more? I basically need your advice on a shot schedule before my babies get this 7 combo. I didn’t want them to have that, because I figure it has that Lepo in it, if it’s 7.

    HELP!!!! :)

  65. Jan Says:

    Hi Navi and Tavi. Virtually experts say NO SHOTS at all before 8 or 9 weeks. The pups have maternal immunity. Also, what kind of breeder is selling dogs that young? Go on-line and look for the ethics of the breeders for your breed. I bet they say not to release pups before 8 to 12 weeks. Check out the info there and ask questions. http://www.shca.org/

    Never ever give a combo shot. Ever. Read my articles about Lepto. Coronavirus is not recommended by any vet school or organization. Read my article at truth4dogs.com about avoiding adverse reactions.

    E-mail me and I’ll send you a vaccination protocol from an expert. My contact info is here. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/contact

    Re the breeder: why is he/she breeding dogs? Are they experts about the breed? Do they belong to breed organizations? Have they done any genetic testing? Adopting dogs is like finding a husband: don’t fall in love first. Investigate!

  66. Navi and Tavi Says:

    Thanks for the quick response, Jan. I’ll go to your contact information, so I can get the protocol.

    They are new breeders. This is their second litters from two females. I got one out of each litter. Now, I do not know if they belong to any associations. I didn’t think to ask. I get the feeling that they’re hobby breeders, doing so out of their love for huskies.

    I’ve seen a lot of breeders’ ads not releasing until 8 weeks. I’m kind of glad to be getting them at 6 weeks, because that way, I can control these shots.

    I’m sure the breeders could be making honest mistakes, but for me, Tavi and Navi are here and still need a loving home, regardless of whether the breeders know what they’re doing. I’ll look into how old they should be, as you’ve suggested, and I have the option of letting them stay with their mothers longer, I suppose. It’ll make me crazy to wait longer, but at least you’ve called it to my attention, so I can make an informed choice.

    My last Siberian Husky, who was my child and best friend, just died after a surgery to remove her ruptured spleen. It was awful and the stupid vet said that her chest rays looked clear, but she basically drowned in her own blood that night when her lungs filled up with it. I couldn’t figure out what in the world was going on with her and it was awful. I don’t trust any vets anymore. It’s gonna be hard.

    You’re right. Adopting a dog is like finding a husband, but I never knew how to do that well, either! LOL. That’s how I’m almost 37 and still single.

  67. Jan Says:

    Re husbands, I got married for the first time 3 days before my 40th birthday. It was a good decision.

    Just remember: these sweet hobby breeders can be passing along dogs that will have lifetime problems. You are encouraging them to breed recklessly again. And encouraging them not to learn about careful vaccination. I understand that you’re in love, but be careful. As with men.

    Make sure, above all, that you’re doing a vet check with an impartial vet before your purchase is final. Buyer beware. Either that, or make sure you have $10,000 or more of extra money hanging around. And a strong constitution. My vet’s offhand remark that one of my dogs had bad knees and might someday need surgery cost $5000. I love her dearly, but you just have to make sure what you’re bargaining for.

  68. Posted for Chims by Jan Says:

    How often should our dogs be vaccinated after the puppy shots?

    We adopted Rustie, (rescued-January 15th) a 2 1/2 year old (Sept. 14, 2007) English Springer Spaniel-male 56 lbs. He got his last vaccines and rabie shots Janurary 19th, 2009. He was neutered on March 25th, 2008.
    Does he need shots this year 2010? He was also tested for heartworm-negative (Jan., 2010) Is Sentinel a good heartworm proventive?
    Should we get the “titer” blood test?

    We also just adopted Bailie, (rescued-March 16th) a 1 year (Janurary 5th, 2009) English Springer Spaniel-male 54 lbs. He was just neutered (Thursday, March 11th) before we adopted him. We do not know when he got his vaccines. He did get a dog licenses in June, 2009. We guess he got his shots and rabie shot to get the dog licenses.
    Does he need his one year shots and three weeks later rabies shot, soon?
    We have not gotten him any shots because 4 days after we got this young dog he sneezed green junk from his nose. The vet treated him for “kennel cough”.
    What should we do now for this young male dog?
    **Heartworm check?
    **Rabie shot?
    **Distemper?
    **Parvo?

  69. Jan Says:

    Chims, I’m not a vet, but here’s what I’d do. First read about unnecessary shots http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/ Adult dogs generally don’t need parvo and distemper, the most important shots. The other shots are probably unnecessary. I’d get a parvo/distemper titer test for both. Make sure it’s 3-4 weeks away from other shots. A good place, cheap and read by the world’s best, is http://www.hemopet.org. Have you vet draw blood and send it there. Insist. If the dogs have immunity, that’s that!

    Re rabies, figure out when your dog is legally required to get vaccinated. Don’t do it before then. Bailie probably needs his second rabies in June. Rustie is probably good for 3 years.

    Re heartworm, read my articles: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/05/13/heartworm-medication-safety/ If your dogs haven’t been steadily on meds, they need to be checked.

    Read about preventing vaccine reactions before giving the rabies shot: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/preventing-vaccine-reactions/

  70. Betty Duncan Says:

    My 2 year old male boxer “OBIE” died from a reaction to his rabies shot. He became sleepy, not hungry, then began vomiting, his nerves to his intestines stopped working. The Vet operated for a possible blockage and in less than a week he was dead. I kept asking if it could be his rabies shot, and was told “of course not”. Now I know that is what it was…..all the symptoms are there. He was allergic to lots of things due to earlier injuries.

    Note from Jan, Betty also sent this in an email: Wed. & Thurs he would not eat, slept a lot, started shaking, and on Friday he began throwing up. Vet gave him Amoxicillin and sedatives, and he became severely worse. Asked the Vet if it could be the rabies shot since he was very well before, but he said it was a "virus" However, he wanted to X-ray and perform surgery in case of a blockage. He found the nerves to his colon had totally stopped working & he was dying. I know in my heart that this was a reaction to the shot. He was only 2 years old. It was a horrible death.

  71. Jan Says:

    Betty, I’m so sorry for your loss. Given the time frame, the rabies should at least have been considered. Vets rarely consider vaccine reactions unless they happen immediately. I suppose it makes them feel guilty because they gave the shot. They also have a huge financial interest in believing vaccines are safe. I’m curious why your vet would operate or give antibiotics or want an x-ray if he/she thought your dog had a virus. That doesn’t make sense. Did your vet even call the vaccine manufacturer?

    I urge you to get your dog’s file. Read it to see what your vet wrote. And yes, you have a right to get the file or at least a copy. It should be turned over immediate. Determine the vaccine manufacturer’s name. Call them with details. They may help to pay some of your expenses. At the very least, they’ll have to report the reaction. If you purchased your dog from a breeder, please alert the breeder as well that this line may have vaccination problems.

  72. Winnie Says:

    HI there

    This is a fabulous website – thank you… though i still have a=some qs and hope you can help

    I have a toy poodle and toy pomeranian, who are about 1.5 yrs old (they’re born 2 weeks apart). Got them in a pet shop who provided the required vaccines according to schedule advised by vet, and at the end of it all, the vet recommended a antibodies titer – which we did – and the numbers bode well for both dogs.

    When they were about 9 mths old, the vet recommended another titer to ensure that the vaccines were working. Results – the poodle ‘s antibodies level looked fine though the pom’s were low. So the pom got vaccinations for which his antibodies showed less-than-desirable readings.

    3 wks ago, the vet recommended another titer test. Numbers for both dogs were low so the vet issued vaccines again. Each dog received a different combination of vaccines (only for whatever their antibodies tested low for) tho my pom – who fared worse at titer test – had to take 3 shots tog for parvo, distemper and the combi vaccine which incld 5 types of vaccines. He had to take all shots twice – 1 wk apart.

    My vet weights my small dogs before issuing the right amt of vaccines, and recommends the tier before issuing vaccinations. He also instructs that i keep my dogs at home when undergoing vaccines, and not to mix with other dogs in the meantime. and he says that the dogs should undergo titer test annually and get shots as needed.

    I think he seems responsible tho i am not sure if all of this is really necessary. And the fact that the tier may not detect the “memory” cells.

    Can you please help me? Should i go for titer tests regularly and vaccinate accordingly? Money aside, i am wondering if this is the right thing to do or if it is excessive.

    BTW, my pom and poodle are the healthiest and liveliest doggies ever… they usually stay home and hang out only with known doggie friends. They are only boarded when no one is at home, though they always come home healthy and happy. They have never displayed any discomfort following vaccinations (thank goodness!!)

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

  73. Jan Says:

    Winnie, I have never heard a story like yours. My first impression is that you’re being taken for a ride. Why so many expensive titer tests? And if by rare chance your dogs are not getting immunity from previous shots, why keep giving them? Your dogs have had way too many shots in my opinion. (I’m not a vet.) And you’re paying for way too many titer tests. The top experts test to get ONE strong titer then don’t test or vaccinate again.

    Did you read all the test results yourself? Titers aren’t strong then weak in a short period of time. Either the body has had an immune response or it hasn’t.

    If I were you, I’d switch vets. For one thing, you NEVER vaccinate one week apart. You want to wait several weeks. And why keep vaccinating over and over again in such a short period of time? ONE SHOT GIVEN AFTER 16 WEEKS OF AGE IS ENOUGH TO GIVE IMMUNITY. I don’t like what this vet did. In my opinion, it’s either about money or about ignorance about immunity and innoculation.

    If they were my dogs, I’d also send all the titer tests and records of shots given to Dr. Jean Dodds at Hemopet. She’s an expert on titer testing and does them in her own lab. I know her well and trust her completely. She’s known and loved by pet lovers all over the world. Contact her at http://www.hemopet.org She can tell you for certain what is going on. My guess is she’ll charge only a modest consultation fee.

    One more thing: I hope you won’t buy another pet store dog. These dogs are usually from cruel puppy mills, raised in cages like chickens. They’re separated from their moms too early and aren’t socialized. If your dogs are healthy and sane, you’re very lucky. Every vet and animal activist I know knows this. I’d like to know why your vet work with these people rather than try to put them out of business?

  74. Sahaja Says:

    Hi Jan,

    I am a researcher for the USDA NWRC and we are looking into some injection site reactions in dogs. I was looking into the antibody titer test which you spoke of and was wondering if you had the name of the test you are recomending. If so if you could please sent it to me I would appreciate it. Thanks!

    Sahaja

  75. Kathy Says:

    Hi Jan,
    I am a small German Shepherd Breeder, and it has been my practice to vaccinate my puppies as close to 8 weeks as possible, then reccommend to my clients to vacc again at 12 and 16 weeks. Although I run Titres on all my adult dogs, years ago I had a dog develope epilepsy and later autoimmune that we felt was in response to vaccine, this was a nueter male. Several of my clients also now run Titres instead of just going ahead with the vaccine.
    My comment here, is I recently have run into an issue with time elapsed between puppy boosters, and am battling a client as to such. I had three puppies staying with me, one I was keeping, one that was sold but was not being picked up until he was 5 months old, and the litter mate of that pup that was not sold. I ended up selling the female puppy, and she was picked up on a Sunday, I had a scheduled vaccine appt for all three puppies on the Tuesday, there was 4 weeks elapsed time between the 1st and 2nd vaccines, and the pups should of been vaccinated the week before, but unfortunately I was not able to take them, so they were being done at 5 weeks elapsed time between vaccines. In the case of my two puppies, my vet had an emergency call and my appt got moved until the following week, so they received 3rd vacc at 5 weeks and 6 days. The puppy I sold received hers at 5 weeks and 2 days. Well this is when things got really nasty, the people’s vet told them the vaccines were no good because they were given too far apart and it would be necessary to give their puppy yet ANOTHER vaccine. I was dead set against this from the outset, and tried everything to persuade them otherwise, this included offering them a full refund for the puppy’s return, and also that I would pay to run a Titre on the puppy and if it showed she actually needed and additional vaccine I would pay for that as well. Plus my vet spoke to the head immunologist at the company that manufactured the vaccine, and he assured her there would be no issues with the elapsed time. The people originally agreed to bring the puppy for Titre, but then their vet told them he would not accept the results and refused to issue them a vaccine certificate if they did not give the fourth vaccine.
    I was just sick about the whole affair, so I ran Titres on the two puppies I still had, one being the littermate and the other female that was 3 days older and vaccinated on exactly the same schedule…. my Titres came back perfect, yet they went ahead and vaccinated her anyway…. I feel very strongly that they have put there puppy’s health at risk by refusing to Titre and giving unnecessary vaccine, I had advised them if they went ahead with the vaccine that they would be voiding my health warranty. Now they are threatening me with legal action and filing a complaint about me with my breed organization. If you have any advice it would be most greatfully apprecciated.
    Thank you so much for your time.
    kathy

  76. Jan Says:

    Kathy, good news! There is no set time between vaccines for the vaccines to “take.” The reason puppy shots are given two or three weeks apart is so that the puppy doesn’t contract disease between the time maternal immuinity lapses and the vaccine is given. In fact, Dr. Ron Schultz, one of the top pet vaccination experts in the world, doesn’t vaccinate his own dogs even ONCE until 15 weeks. He protects them from unvaccinated dogs and areas likely to have disease until then. America’s other expert, Dr. Jean Dodds, recommends vaccinating at 9 weeks and 14 weeks — 5 weeks apart! http://www.dogs4dogs.com/puppy-shots Recently, Drs. Schultz and Dodds spoke at my recent Safer Pet Vaccination seminar. A DVD of the seminar will soon be available at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/saferpet and will benefit rabies vaccination research. See the credentials of Schultz and Dodds at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/cv

    Several sources of info I suggest you read should help clarify this. An article by Dr. Schultz: http://www.spinoneus.org/forum/uploaded/Admin/Vaccinations2007.pdf
    Also, the findings of the 2010 World Small Animal Veterinary Assoc. (WSAVA). http://www.wsava.org/VGG1.htm

    I am neither an attorney nor a vet, but if I were in your place, I wouldn’t be worried about a law suit. The vet is clueless about how vaccination works and the puppy’s owner hasn’t suffered any damage. You have not put the puppy’s health at risk because the pup didn’t contract disease. The titer test is the only way to prove immunity. Unnecessary vaccination does put the pup at risk, so your client and the vet were the ones risking the pup’s life. You could offer again, in writing, to take the pup back. Surely they’re in love with it now and will refuse.

    Good for you for sticking to your guns. By the way, your spelling indicates you might be British? Aussie? If you need corroboration in any of those countries, there are very competent lay experts in those countries.

  77. Kathy Says:

    Hi Jan,
    thank you so much for your reply, you have really made me feel much better about this whole situation. I just hate fighting with people but in this case I really felt strongly that they were doing the wrong thing!! I will let you know what happens, they vaccinated her last week and have indicated they will be sending me the vet bills as they feel I was the one at fault. Thank you for all the great links, I am documenting everything.
    Kathy

  78. Lili Says:

    Hello,

    Thanks for all this valuable information. I wish I had known it sooner. One of my Chihuahuas is currently dealing with ischemic dermatopathy due to the rabies vaccination (she’s scheduled for surgery tomorrow to remove the dead tissue), so hopefully it will turn out o.k. I’m considering doing a histological study on the tissue they remove, but I will have to talk to the vet about it.

    However, I do have a question. I am adamant about not vaccinating any of my dogs again needlessly, but my family and are constantly moving to different countries due to work. What can I do if almost every country requires several vaccinations? Would a titer test be just as acceptable?

    Again, thank you very much!

  79. Jan Says:

    Lili, I, too, would hate to see your dog vaccinated again. It would surely worsen her condidtion. Unfortunately, most countries will insist on rabies vaccination and many will also want a titer for rabies. I seriously doubt they will accept titers for anything else, but may be surprised. It will have to be on a country by country basis. Wish I had better news.

    I hope the vaccine manufacturer is paying for all this. They may want a tissue study to verify the condition. You should ask before surgery.

    Good luck.

  80. Team Roster Says:

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  81. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Hey, Jan — I’ve been trying to get some stats on the numbers of dogs who actually get rabies.

    The CDC has a website and pages to cover rabies, but WILL NOT REPORT THE STATS ON DOG RABIES. (hmmm. why NOT? What’s the big secret, I’d like to know)? They have some crazy charts to show the number of reported rabies cases, looks real scary, until you examine it more closely.

    I’ve been trying to find out the stats for NYS, and they just are not available. The Journal of American Veterinary Medicine published an article on rabies stats, and, darn, you cannot tell anything from it. They talk about the percent of increase from 2007 to 2008 but nothing on the actual numbers.

    Best I can determine from studying all these flim-flam charts and bogus reports from all these studies paid for by our tax dollars, there was in 2008, best I can determine, one case of dog rabies in NYS. And since 2000 not one person has died of rabies from a rabid dog in the entire United States.

    Meantime, our dogs are dying and getting very sick from these rabies shots.

    I think this rabies scare is like 9/11, a false flag terror attack, or like the H1N1 flu hype of last year. The government likes to create big scary crises so we Americans will hand over our freedoms and our money and hire more bureaucrats to protect us from all these bogeymen. It’s a big racket for the veterinarians, so called.

    Here’s an example of the kind of chart the CDC puts out to “educate” the public on rabies incidence. http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/resources/publications/2008-surveillance/dogs.html And if you want to just get an actual number of dogs who got rabies in 2008, good luck trying to find it. If anybody has that number that we are hiring the CDC to track down for us, please let me know, because after reading all their reports and looking at all their charts, I can’t tell. They tell us there are 4 times as many cats as dogs with rabies, but won’t tell us what that number is of cats and/or dogs who got the disease in 2008.

    Makes you wonder what they are hiding.

  82. Jan Says:

    Hi Salt of the Earth. You may find what you want at http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/surveillance/domestic_animals.html Don’t know if you’ve already seen this.

    What are they hiding? Nothing. It’s in plain sight. Rabies vaccination is big business, for vets, for drug manufacturers and for localities collecting license fees.

  83. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Jan — No, the numbers are not there. Just a bunch of scary charts and lots of stats on “percent of increase” or “percent of decrease,” from 2007 to 2008, but the actual numbers are not there.

    The charts with the yellow circles are really unscientific. All these charts are unscientific and their purpose is to look really scary without providing any actual information.

    They are not accurate either. In one paragraph they will say that cats have more rabies than dogs, and then they will show you a chart that shows dogs having more rabies.

    We are paying the government to LIE TO US, TO SCARE US WITH THESE PHONY CHARTS AND DECEPTIVE “REPORTS.”

    Check out this CDC report and see for yourself. I have never taken any courses on statistics, but anybody can see how deceptive and non-transparent these reports are from the CDC. This is pure propaganda, just propaganda, worse than anything the Soviets would have put out.

    It’s just outrageous. I’m sick and tired of the government telling me lies to scare me so I will kneel down and be a willing slave.

    I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE BUTTING THEIR NOSE IN MY BUSINESS AND FORCING ME TO PAY THEM A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE MY DOG SICK OVER SOME BIG MADE UP LIE AND HOAX.

    I’m sick and tired of the government and their big hoaxes they pull to squeeze money out of me and hurt me and my children and my pets and other innocent people around the world. I’m sick of Big Pharma, Big Agra, Big Banking, Big Government, Big Religion, Big Food — all the big organized rackets out there selling us lies and “products” that hurt us.

    Take a close look at that website from the CDC, that link you pointed me to. I read all the links carefully on that whole site, and, it’s just criminal that we the people are paying the government to lie and deceive us on behalf of Big Pharma and Big Veterinary Medicine.

    The dog control lady lives up the road from me, and she keeps hounding me. Her own dogs are sick, and she has to pay bundles of money every year for all the shots she gives them, every vaccine made she shoots it in them, and they have allergies, epilepsy, diabetes. I guess it makes her happy to spend all her paycheck on her sick dogs, and she figures eveyrbody else should do the same as she does.

    The purpose of these dog licensing laws were to protect farmers from dogs on their property killing livestock. All the rabies are coming from bats, not from dogs. When domestic animals do get rabies, very rarely, it is cats that are getting it. The dog control lady has probably 8 at least feral cats who hang around the shop where her father runs a store and slaughter house, and I doubt if these cats are vaccinated for rabies. But she is going to make my life miserable and tell me how to run my life and care for my own animals, force me to give them shots I don’t want them to have.

    My shelties have never had any shots. They are both merles and one is a double merle, which my understanding is that these kind of dogs are more susceptible to bad side effects from the stinking rabies vaccine.

    The thought of having a dog with “repressed” rabies symptoms makes me ill to even think of it. I don’t want to see my dog with behavior changes or chewing on themselves, knowing they are biting away at places that are rotting away from a rabies shot.

  84. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Some of the stats show as much as one in 80 children today is autistic because of the vaccines we are all railroaded into giving our kids. I got railroaded into giving shots to my daughter. Her health was damaged by that. Now they are threatening me “or else” if I don’t get my dogs licensed.

    I don’t think I should have to get a license for my dogs, period. They are on my property and bothering nobody. But what is worse, to get a license you must prove your animals have had the stinking rabies shots.

    I live in Hunt, NY, and I would like to fight this. I am having a a very, very hard time just finding out the statistics on rabies, how many people have died of rabies in the U.S. in the last 10 years, and how many dogs have actually contracted rabies in the last reported year, and compare this with other animals.

    There are a lot of cows in rural areas, obviously, probably 500 time more cows than dogs I would venture to guess, maybe more. These cows move real slow and they are out in the pasture where foxes and raccoons are roaming around, and where bats are flying around. They are an easy target, the cows are. Are cows vaccinated against rabies? Do you want to eat a cow that has been vaccinated against rabies or drink its milk? I doubt they are vaccinated. But the point is, the number of rabid cows reported is — is WHAT? Forget the yellow circles that mean nothing. How about some NUMBERS from the CDC? I’ll bet you the numbers of cows that get rabies are less than 100 in the whole country, with the millions and millions of cows we have. The CDC tells us there are more cows getting rabies than dogs, but they won’t come right out and give us the straight numbers.

    Not one person has died from a rabies bite from a dog in the United States last 10 years. I did find that much out.

    When you call the vets, they try to scare you, that if your dog is not vaccinated and bites somebody that they will have to euthanize the dog and send its head in to the state labs for rabies testing. This is more of an outrage, more threats and draconian measures to twist our arms to let the vets shoot points into our animals that make them sick and die.

    In fact, these stupid charts the CDC has, with all the black splotches all over the country, these are charts to show all the times poor dogs were tested for possible rabies (usually by getting their heads cut off and sent to the lab), and most of these poor dogs did not have rabies at all.

    There are other websites on the Net that tell us that if a dog bites us, that we are to make sure we get the name and address of the person who owns the dog so that the dog can be isolated for rabies. WHAT?

  85. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Some of the stats show as much as one in 80 children today is autistic because of the vaccines we are all railroaded into giving our kids. I got railroaded into giving shots to my daughter. Her health was damaged by that. Now they are threatening me “or else” if I don’t get my dogs licensed.

    I don’t think I should have to get a license for my dogs, period. They are on my property and bothering nobody. But what is worse, to get a license you must prove your animals have had the stinking rabies shots.

    I live in Hunt, NY, and I would like to fight this. I am having a a very, very hard time just finding out the statistics on rabies, how many people have died of rabies in the U.S. in the last 10 years, and how many dogs have actually contracted rabies in the last reported year, and compare this with other animals.

    There are a lot of cows in rural areas, obviously, probably 500 time more cows than dogs I would venture to guess, maybe more. These cows move real slow and they are out in the pasture where foxes and raccoons are roaming around, and where bats are flying around. They are an easy target, the cows are. Are cows vaccinated against rabies? Do you want to eat a cow that has been vaccinated against rabies or drink its milk? I doubt they are vaccinated. But the point is, the number of rabid cows reported is — is WHAT? Forget the yellow circles that mean nothing. How about some NUMBERS from the CDC? I’ll bet you the numbers of cows that get rabies are less than 100 in the whole country, with the millions and millions of cows we have. The CDC tells us there are more cows getting rabies than dogs, but they won’t come right out and give us the straight numbers.

    Not one person has died from a rabies bite from a dog in the United States last 10 years. I did find that much out.

    When you call the vets, they try to scare you, that if your dog is not vaccinated and bites somebody that they will have to euthanize the dog and send its head in to the state labs for rabies testing. This is more of an outrage, more threats and draconian measures to twist our arms to let the vets shoot points into our animals that make them sick and die.

    In fact, these stupid charts the CDC has, with all the black splotches all over the country, these are charts to show all the times poor dogs were tested for possible rabies (usually by getting their heads cut off and sent to the lab), and most of these poor dogs did not have rabies at all.

    There are other websites on the Net that tell us that if a dog bites us, that we are to make sure we get the name and address of the person who owns the dog so that the dog can be isolated for rabies. WHAT? When the likelihood of that dog having rabies is about as close to zero as you can get, you are supposed to cooperate with Big Veterinary Medicine and Big Pharma to ruin that dog owner’s life and get their dog killed because it bit you?

    If a dog bites somebody and causes an injury, the dog owner should be responsible for the injury, but to automatically assume that every dog that bites somebody has rabies and has to be tested (ie euthanize the dog and send their head in to the laboraties) — this is barbaric, and out of 1984.

    The government doesn’t want us to have dogs, obviously. We are just slaves, just peons, and we are supposed to just go to work and pay our taxes and live in one room and eat their cheap food and live in the world of make believe in front of the TV set watching their lies and getting programmed more and more, until we, none of us, have one bit of sense left to our name, until we are all blithering loonies who think the sky is falling and Big Brother is our only friend to save us.

  86. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Jan, sorry. Somehow this got put up twice, and the first one is incomplete. I was writing it and something blipped and then it came back on and I finished it, but the incomplete post was put up before the complete one. Any way you can remove that first post?

    I didn’t want to get involved in this dog rabies shot thing, but I think I’m in it now. Sometimes we don’t get to pick our fights.

  87. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Jan, here’s a link to a website that tells anybody who’s been bitten by a dog to be sure to have that dog tested for rabies if they can’t prove the dog has had the rabies shot.

    From what I’ve read, the dogs who have had the rabies shots are more likely to be transmitting rabies. Am I wrong?

    http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/10/rabies-prevention-after-dog-bite-always.html

  88. salt-of-the-earth Says:

    Jan — Sorry to be filling up your comments page, but I keep finding more mind-blowing things when I surf the Net.

    Just trying Googling these words, Coyote, rabies. You will find a ton of websites about coyotes, how they are attacking and killing hikers and children and pets, and how they are full of RABIES.

    In other words, these stats on dogs having rabies are probably all about COYOTES. For example, the CDC says that Texas has the most rabies cases of dogs in the nation. So then you google and find out that Texas is overrun with coyotes and there is a mass epidemic there of rabies in these coyotes. And the solution? To drop oral rabies vaccines to the coyotes. Not to shoot the dear animals, oh no. But our poor dogs have to be beheaded if they bite somebody and have not had their stinking rabies shot.

    Where are these coyotes coming from? Most of them are introduced into our parks by our dear government, the same people who are “here to help us,” by putting these animals in to eat our pets, attack our children, and they have killed adults also. Read this website on these dear sweet animals the government things we should invite to share our parks with us, and we better not shoot them or do anything to them, because you would be better off to shoot your neighbor than to shoot one of the EPA’s dear coyotes.

    Check out this website and see how the coyotes are killing hikers, children and pets, and also how the rabies cases we see reported by the CDC with their big and small yellow circles (ie a small circle means 1 rabies case and a big circle means 3 cases, and you see these circles all over the country and makes you think every other dog in the world has rabies) — see how most likely these rabies cases are not even of dogs, but probably COYOTES.

    Okay, Jan — Now I’m wondering if most of these reported cases of dog rabies are not of coyotes. Here’s a story of a rabid coyote who attacked and bit about six people in NYS this past September.

    This is a story from today of a rabid coyote biting a human.
    http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/10408629/article-Rabid-coyote-from-Ashville-area-of-St–Clair?instance=home_news_bullet

    http://www.canismajor.com/dog/coyote.html
    This link above tells how Texas is loaded with rabid coyotes, and they are feeding oral rabies vaccines to the coyotes in Texas. Oh, really? Why can’t we get vaccines like that for OUR dogs? Why do our dogs have to get the stuff full of mercury shot straight into their bloodstream?

    Documented Coyote attacks on children and hikers and pets.
    http://varmintal.com/attac.htm
    This link will blow your mind. Coyotes have killed hikers, children and pets, and this site documents it. Really frightening.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/09/the_westchester_coyote_had_rab.html
    This is a story from September of this year of a coyote in NYS who had rabies and went on a rampage and bit a lot of people. They did shoot it. Imagine that.

    You see? Our government pretends to love us and care for us, but they are introducing these coyotes into our family parks, and their only concern about rabies in these wild dogs (ie they are dogs and they breed with our dogs and produce what they call “coy dogs” and my neighbor owns one of them) — is to maybe feed them food laced with an oral rabies vaccine.

    Why can’t OUR dogs have this oral vaccine?

    And why is our government introducing vicious dogs into our parks, dogs who prey on our pets and our children and even adults? (ie do you think it has anything to do with maybe that the government does not WANT people living in rural areas, and wants to get us to all move to the cities where they can keep a closer eye on us, and are introducing these wild animals into our parks to get us to move away? hmmmm? )

    But I do WONDER if this real coyote problem is the reason for the laughable statistics and charts the CDC offers the public on this great scary threat of rabies in our dogs.

  89. Kim Baxley Says:

    I need help!! I had parvo/ distemper titers done for all of my dachshunds this year. I spoke with the vet before having the test done. Explained that I did not want to needlessly give my dogs vaccines. I also explained that because they are dachshunds they are at high risk for complications do to the vaccine. He said it would not be a problem he could write an exemption for them. Then after having all of the tests done and him avoiding me for weeks . I got ahold of him and he said oh it is against the law for me to write the letter. I am not going to be able to take them to a vet in this area for yearly exams or anything else with out giving them the rabies shots because it is a law here in Indiana. I do not want to give them the shots. So I have lost the $600 and still do not have the letter of exemption for my dogs.

  90. Jan Says:

    Kim, I’ve never heard of parvo and distemper being legally required. Just rabies. Did you also have rabies titers done? I’d contact animal control and your state veterinary medical board about the parvo/distemper requirement, if any. Also about medical exemptions for rabies. If rabies exemptions aren’t available in your state, ask the vet why he did the test and said he would write an exemption if he had no intention of completing his assigned task. Legally, ignorance of the law is no excuse. He should have known. It is likely Indiana doesn’t allow medical exemptions for rabies. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies-laws If he refuses to refund the cost of the rabies titer tests, tell him you’re complaining to the board and filling in small claims court. Then do it!

    Bad news: medical exemptions are only for dogs with health problems or a history of rabies vaccine reactions in any event. If every dog that shouldn’t get the shot didn’t, none would be vaccinated. I have written all this in my article on titer testing: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/

    The good news: my experts believe that once parvo-distemper titers are strong, that’s it for life, or at least 7-9 years.

  91. Kim Baxley Says:

    Hi Jan, Thank you for your response! No the parvo distemper is not legally required. I did the parvo distemper titer to show that they were immunized. I have read that the parvo distemper titer could be done instead of the rabies titer because it is less expensive and would show what needed to be shown. I would need to find where I read this again. I do not know how to explain what it was saying in a short summary. But basically it said that I could do the P/D titer and It would be enough to show that they have enough immunity in there system even for the rabies. I now regret following the advise of that article and wish I would have had the rabies titer done instead. Because I am exhausted from trying to explain what the article said to people.

    Yes I just got off the phone with the vet with that exact question. Why did he tell me he could do it – I trusted that he knew the law – and then after I paid all of that money he tells me he was sorry he made a mistake he cannot legally do it. To add insult to injury he is insisting that he did not do say that and that he never said he could write the letter. This has ben a battle. The problem is that I have no proof that he said that. So If I take this to small claims court how am I going to prove this?

    I am very happy to have learned that the parvo distemper titer was strong on all of them and I will not be giving them those vaccines ever again.

    So it sounds like there is no getting around the rabies shots. The vet I was going to before the one I am speaking of above was giving my dogs rabies shots every year. Then I found out that was a really bad thing and I they should only have rabies shots every 3 years. I have also read that 1year rabies shots are exactly the same thing as a 3 year shot only labeled differently I spoke to that vet they denied this. So What do I do at this point? Do I need to have the rabies titer done to show that I should weight 3 years from the time of the last 1 year rabies shot they received?

  92. Jan Says:

    Kim, there is no need to search for the article saying parvo/distemper immunity proves rabies immunity. It is wrong! Very wrong! A titer test shows that the immune system has launched a response to a specific virus or bacteria. Each has its own response.

    How do you prove what your vet said? You may not be able to. But if you have the time to go to small claims, you can make his/her life unpleasant and the vet may settle in advance. The vet will likely not want to go to court.

    You said you won’t be giving “those vaccines” again. The only vaccines most adult dogs need is rabies, and for most of them, only because it’s required by law.

    Re the vet who vaccinated yearly, you should file a complaint with your state veterinary board. You were not given the proper information to form informed consent and the vet was not using the vaccine required by the state nor was it current veterinary practice. You could also go to small claims. You were robbed everytime he vaccinated with the wrong vaccine and your dogs’ health was put at risk. I’d really go after this guy if I were you. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    Here’s the really bad news. A one-year shot, though virtually identical to the three-year shot, is not identical under the law. When you get a notice to vaccinate from your state board, you’ll probably have to comply. Before giving your dogs the rabies vaccine, please read this. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/ It’s very important. And give the remedy Lyssin with the shots.

  93. Kim Baxley Says:

    Than you Jan! You have been extremely helpful! I really appreciate your time and knowledge.

    By “those vaccines” what I meant was parvo/distemper and what I was thinking was I am not giving them anything but rabies and only because it is required by law. I should have been more clear.

    I will next look into how to file the complaints. I now also need to find a new vet. I have called most of the vets in this area and have not had any luck finding a vet knowledgeable about over vaccination; about what you, the university of WI, Dr. Jean Dobbs, the Rabies Challenge fund and all of the others already know. That just because its the way they have always done it does not make it right. If you know of a vet in the northern indiana area that you could recommend I would appreciate it. I live in the south bend/elkart/goshen area. Thank you again!

  94. SusanLewelling Says:

    seems to me like this is somewhat excessive, requiring rabies vacc at 3months old, then 1 year later…… is that really necessary?

    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.state.tn.us%2Fsos%2Frules%2F1200%2F1200-14%2F1200-14-01.20091209.pdf&h=1dcae
    1200-14-01-.33 RABIES VACCINATION SCHEDULE OF DOGS AND CATS.
    It shall be the duty of every owner to have his dog or cat vaccinated against rabies after the dog reaches
    three months of age, the cat six months of age. Regardless of the type of licensed vaccine used or the
    age of the animal at the time of the first (primary) vaccination, the animal shall be revaccinated one year
    later. Following the first two vaccinations, booster vaccinations will be due at either one or three year
    intervals in accordance with the approved duration of immunity of the specific vaccine used and the
    species vaccinated.

  95. Jan Says:

    Susan, the rabies vaccine is a killed vaccine, and Ron Schultz, PhD says that two are required to give immunity. And it’s the law everywhere.

    However, once immunity is given, it can last for 7 or more years according to blood studies. But the law says otherwise. That’s why I support the RabiesChallengeFund.org They are working to prove 5 year, then 7 year, immunity so we can change laws.

    Many knowledgeable vets say to wait as long as possible for the first shot if your dog isn’t at risk, if you’re not violating the law. Many states say to vaccinate at 4 months. Keep all your vaccination records — vets can lose them. And report any reactions to your vet.

  96. Kathy Cannon Says:

    Hi – I wanted to write this for everyone! Please read it! And anyone that feeds their dogs organic food or natural food without chemicals – be EVEN MORE CAREFUL about giving your dogs vaccines, as your dog will react differently to them. It will affect them more negatively than other dogs as their system reacts differently to things. The rabies is the only vaccination which I gave my dogs since I learned a lot about health and only because of the law, did I do that. I WILL NEVER GIVE ANY OF MY DOGS VACCINATIONS AGAIN. AFTER WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND MY DOGS THE OTHER DAY – I REFUSE TO EVER GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. I just had to put my 4 year old basenji female dog to sleep because after her rabies shot, she got real sick and then very nasty and attacked my other two dogs that she has been with for most of her life – four years. My heart is broken and my other two dogs got hurt and now are all upset and stressed because of what happened and also because she is gone. They were all buddies. Our whole life is messed up now and we miss her terribly! It was like a horror movie what I saw and what happened. If I hadn’t been there, she could have killed my 17 year old male basenji and my 11 year old male chihuahua. I didn’t put it together until I felt better and could think again. I kept asking myself WHY – what made her change? Everything was fine. She was head strong but not vicious and was trained. The only thing that was different – she went to the vets to get her rabies shot so I could license her with the town. I didn’t want to give her it as it made no sense to me that they give the same amount of a vaccination to a 5 pound dog as they do a 200 pound dog – just doesn’t make any sense and is very wrong in my eyes as it puts all of our dogs in danger – but I was trying to do what I was surposed to do per the law. It was not even a week since her shot that this all happened – it was last Thursday 3/17/11. When I brought her home, she was very lathargic, not acting herself, not playing and being fresh and silly and pushy like she normally was. She wasn’t eating like she did normally. She was in bed a lot. She was grouchy and growling a lot for nothing. I kept watching her as she was really off for her! Then Thursday she attached my other dogs near their food which she never would have done. She had the older one upside down on top of him, biting his throat. It took me twice to get her off of him and pick him up. Then my other dog came around the corner to see what was going on and she went after him. I could see her eyes and expression on her face, and she was not herself. A few minutes later, she tried to make up but I was horrified and didn’t want to lose my other two dogs and couldn’t chance that she would do it again for no reason. So even though it was breaking my heart, I had her put to sleep to protect the other two. Now it all makes perfect sense as to WHY! She was infected with the virus. So things need to change people! They should not be giving the same amount of vaccination to a small dog that they give to a big dog. Would you give your baby the same amount of anything that you would give an adult – OF COURSE NOT! THEN WHY DO THE VETS DO IT TO OUR ANIMALS???????????????????? AND WOULD YOU GIVE A CHILD 3 OR MORE VACCINES AT ONE TIME – AGAIN – OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! We need to voice this to everyone to stop this practice and keep our four legged babies SAFE AND HEALTHY! This should NOT HAVE HAPPENED! And since this has happened I have found out there has been others that I know, that have lost their dogs for the same reasons. I will not let Magic, my little girl basenji, die for nothing. Please pass the word and help stop over vaccination of our dogs! IT’S WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE STOPPED BEFORE MORE ANIMALS DIE NEEDLESSLY!

    Also – just so you all know – heartworm medicine and flea and tick medicine is POISON! When you give your dogs that – you are poisoning them!!!! That is how they kill the heartworms and fleas and ticks by giving your animals a small amount of poison every month!!!! WOULD YOU SPRAY RAID BUG SPRAY OR OTHER TOXINS INTO YOUR MOUTH THAT YOU SPRAY FOR BUGS!!!!!!!????????? Of course not! POISON IS POISON AND IT IS NOT SURPOSED TO BE PUT INTO YOURS OR YOUR ANIMALS BODY!!!!! SO WHY WOULD YOU ALLOW THE VETS TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT IS NOT HURTING YOUR ANIMALS ESPECIALLY YOUR DOGS – NOW YOU KNOW IT IS! COMMON SENSE! THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR ANIMALS AND SELVES THAT WON’T MAKE ANY OF YOU SICK OR PUT YOUR LIVES AT RISK! The vets just don’t want you to know because most of them are cheap compared to what you would spend on hearworm, flea, and tick medicines. Just check onlline – they are out there! I use them and they don’t hurt your animals or you! That is how my dogs got to be 11 and 17 years old – good food – limited vaccinations(which will be none now) – no toxins put in them or on them! My other dogs never made it past 10 when I was using all these things the vets tell you to do for your dogs, and feeding them processed dog food that I learned was junk! Read the ingredients on things – if you don’t know what it is, more than likely it is a chemical both in foods and other things used on them and us. Again look it up online! You will be happy you did and so will you pets! That is how I learned and gave my dogs longer lives until this vaccination thing happened to my little girl! PLEASE PEOPLE – FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR ANIMALS SAKE! THEY NEED OUR HELP! PASS THE WORD AROUND AND WRITE TO THE VACCINES COMPANIES, VETS, TOWNS, AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS. It is the only way things will change. AND LET OTHER ANIMAL OWNERS KNOW SO THEIR EYES ARE OPEN TO THE FACTS, SO THEY CAN SAY NO WHEN THE VETS TRY AND PUSH THESE THINGS ON THEM, AND TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR ANIMALS LIVES!!!!!!!!
    Thanks for reading this! Best Wishes to You all!
    Kathy Cannon, Kingston, MA

  97. Tamara Says:

    Can anybody help me, is it even possible for vets to have the Distemper/ Parvovirus MLV shots only?? I am following Dr. Jean Dodds vaccination schedule and protecting my 10 lbs pup, but having issues with the vets here. He is up for his 1 year Booster of MLV Distemper/ Parvovirus ONLY but the vets here ALL carry the standard combination shot of distemper, adenovirus-2, parainfluenza, and parvovirus?? They said they would leave our Corona and Lepto but the shots they have are all combos. Is it even an option for them to order the Distemper/ Parvovirus MLV shots only??

  98. Jan Says:

    Tamara, Intervet makes the parvo/distemper shot. Yes, your vet can order it, but he’ll have to buy 10 or so doses. You’ll probably have to find a holistic or homeopathic trained vet to get the shot. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets But I have a better solution. Your dog probably doesn’t need the one year booster. If your dog had his last shot after 15 weeks of age, get a titer test instead to prove immunity. Dr. Dodds says there’s a good chance your dog is set for life. Test every three years if you like. Here’s what you need to know. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/

    Want to learn more, go to http://www.dogs4dogs.com/saferpet and see her DVD.

  99. Tomboy Says:

    I have had my first dog ever for almost a year and technically he is due for a three year rabies booster. He eats raw and is the picture of health. But with all the rabies vaccine talk I am terrified.

    NYC law says if you get an exemption form, the catch is, your dog may never be out in the public! The vaccine in theory is, after all, about protecting humans over animals, even if the odds of ever getting rabies is sooooo small.

    This is a dog that needs to be outside, running, playing seeing people. I don’t have 100 acres. I am in NYC in an apt. It is impossible to comply with what the exemption wants. He has to go to the bathroom if nothing else, and he will go mad if condemned to indoor life 24/7.

    What is the poing of optimal health with nothing worth living for, or if you trade in your mental wellness for it?

    It’s all so unfair!

  100. Jan Says:

    Tomboy, NYC is particularly harsh in their laws. So here’s what to do. Have a holistic vet give the shot. They can make it safer with homeopathy and other things. Find a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets If you can’t find a vet, contact Marina at naturalrearing.com (marina@) and ask her for Lyssin, a homeopathic remedy to be given with the shot. Ask her how to use it.

    Good luck.

  101. Sydney Says:

    I have raised Havanese for 10 years and have vaccinated for Parvo only. I’ve never had a problem with any of my dogs or puppies.

  102. abc Says:

    Nice stuff

  103. Janice Says:

    On Apr 18/2011 we took our 3 dogs to the vet for their current updates on vaccines. We have one dog Floyd who was 11 and the other 2 will be 5 in Sept. Floyd had cut his foot and was taken to the vet for a infection which had travelled up his leg, at that time the vet also took a blood test and found that Floyd had auto immune disease and was given prednisone. The vet did say that the the vaccination could have caused the condition and they would not be vaccinating him again. His blood continued to climb and he seemed to be on the road to recovery. It was time to start the heart worm meds and I asked the vet if it was ok for him and she said it was.

    He was given the heartworm meds on June 4. He was taken back to the vet on June 8 as he jumped out of the truck and appeared to have hurt his hind leg and was given another blood test the results were his blood had declined back to where he started. They then prescribed azathioprine and I was told the prednisone had stopped working but to continue giving it. Azathioprine is used for transplants human patients to suppress the immune system. He was continuing to decline and on June 10 we took him back to the vet who prescribed Atopica to be added.

    My poor boy was so sick and having problems breathing as his blood levels were so low he wasn’t getting oxygen. He was suffocating. Floyd died on June 11th. He was euthanized by the same vet. I asked the vet why I was not informed that the vaccines could harm him or any other dog for that matter. The reply is that he was a rare case and the benefits outweigh the risk. Risk or profit. From the vaccination to his death we have spent ab out $1500 or maybe more. It is not the money it is the senseless loss of Floyd who was a healthy active border collie.

    I did find an interesting article which is written in laymen terms which describe why my boy died and every pet owner should read type “Science of vaccine damage” into your search engine. It is about ten pages long and I am forwarding it to everyone I know and asking that they forward it to everyone they know. Floyd will not die in vain. I am contacting animal rights groups asking they publish what can happen to your pet with vaccines. Governments have legislated that you must be informed on any harmful results a drug may have so why wasn’t I informed by my vet of what a vaccine could do. I should have been given that information by my vet who did know. You put your trust in these people to help your pet not harm them. It is time to put an end to the cash cow of vaccines for vets. The internet is a wonderful tool for spreading this information and I suggest that everyone use it. Tell everyone you know and tell them to tell everyone they know and maybe it will stop the senseless sickness and death of our pets. My buck stops here and I will not be vaccinating the other two ever again. They will be going to homeopathy vet from here on in.

  104. Jan Says:

    Janice, I’m so sorry for your loss.

    Catherine O’Driscoll, a renowned expert on vaccination and over-vaccination, wrote the excellent article you mentioned on how vaccines damage dog health. She is a friend and an overseas fellow advocate. You can find the article on my website at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/Vaccine%20Damage I have made a few notes in the margin to make it easier to reference. You might also refer people to http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/ It is written for people less familiar with the science.

  105. Janice Says:

    Jan,

    Thank you for your condolences. I would like to thank you for posting Catherine O’Driscoll report online and making it easier for all to read. I have read everyone of your posts and it makes me sick. I have personally delivered the report to my neighbours with dogs and to date we have now sent out out about 80 emails with the report attached and also your website. We have been asking that everyone they know be contacted and hopefully this email will not die. We have also stated we are not against immunization but to make it within reason. I have friends who are posting on facebook as well on blogs. While walking my other two dogs I will carry slips of paper with your website and ask other dog owners to check it out for the health of their dog. I have no shame only remorse that I did not know of this sooner. This information needs to get out and everyone needs to put some muscle into this. 39 percent of American homes have a dog and hopefully each household will have a friend who is willing to sign a petition and have the laws changed regarding vaccination. If this was a human issue the drugs would be recallled. Although I am not American, and | live in Canada the laws regarding vaccination are similar and we also have the same portion of dogs in households. This is not just a Canada/America problem it is worldwide. I am willing to walk the beaten path to collect signatures to amend this injustice.

  106. Jan Says:

    Janice, a number of us all over the world have been trying to make changes for years. Catherine and my Australian friend Elizabeth Hart are making headway in the UK and Australian, but too little. Vaccine companies have a lot to lose.

    Have you seen the page on my website about shots? http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots There’s a short video and links to two relatively enlighted organization reports about over-vaccination. (See the bottom of the page.) They’re still too conservative, but they’re a start.
    http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots

    Thanks for joining the fray. You might want to sign up for my free newsletter for updates. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/signup I’ll be writing a new issue soon.

  107. Ginny Dumansky Says:

    My vet is requiring my English Bulldog who is 2 years old get the dog flu vaccine in order to be boarded there for the holidays. I do not want to give her unnecessary vacines, does this vaccine cause side effects?

  108. Jan Says:

    Ginny, your Bulldog is especially susceptible to bronchial infections. Anytime she is in a group situation (like a kid in kindergarten), she has a chance to become ill. If she were my dog, I’d leave her with a friend or a petsitter. Often, it is not more expensive and may, depending on who you choose, be a lot safer. Also, have you checked out the accommodations? Often it’s just a cage. Are healthy dogs well segregated from ill dogs — especially where they play or go to pee? Does it look like a happy place for a dog?

    Here are two short articles about the flu shot. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/07/01/dog-flu-vaccine-do-you-need-a-shot-for-the-h3n8-virus/ and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/12/18/dog-flu-shot-thoughts-from-a-vet-about-h3n8/ You might also want to read the comments at the bottom of the first article. This is a new shot which, in my opinion, hasn’t be adequately tested.

    Is the vet insisting on any other shots? If your dog is an adult, they may be unnecessary. Read here: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

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  110. Teresa G Says:

    Our puppy received her first 2 rounds of puppy shots on schedule before we bought her and then at 13 weeks a friend of ours who administers vaccines frequently was going to give her her 3rd round. When we got there he realized he only had feline shots on hand so our puppy only received the rabies that day. She is now 6 months old and never received her last dose? We need to take her in to be spayed and I know they are going to want to see her records. Is it too late to get her the last round? Will it even be effective now since we waited so long in between? Have we messed everything up or can we just pick up where we left off?

  111. Jan Says:

    Teresa, you can mess up a schedule for rabies, that is, not giving the second one 1 yr after the first, and then not giving them every three years. But you can’t mess up anything else. In fact, it’s better for your dog to be older.

    HOWEVER, UNLESS YOUR FRIEND WAS A VET, and filled out all the proper paper work, the shot does not fulfill the legal rabies requirement. This is a terrible mistake. Your dog will need another rabies vaccine by a vet. If this is the case, please write me again first. This can be very dangerous for your dog.

    How old was your dog when she had her last parvo/distemper shot? Please write and I’ll tell you how to proceed.

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  113. Lilly Says:

    I’m spending money I dont have on vet bills, he got his rabies shot 3 years ago, they are requesting I go get the next rabies booster shot, and his yearly DA2P-PV shot, bortadella nasal, heartworm, fecal flotation. It’s been around 1 year since my dog has been to numerous vets for a rash, always licking his paws, sores on his paws they bleed when I walk him, lumps on his body, and a terrible rash on his stomach, groins, and hind legs. I have been to 3 vets and received different meds. I was referred to the Animal Medical Center Dermatologist: I paid $500 I could not afford on Sat. Feb. 11, 2012. The Vet prescribed: Nortriptyline, pentoxifylline, fluconazole, Surolan(ear infection), and a $40 Shampoo w/benzoate peroxide. He said my dog has Atopy, a yeast infection on paws, and ear infection. I have spent over $2,000 looking for a cure. This all started about a year ago I can’t afford this anymore I live on a fixed income (SSI) I hate that I might have to euthanize my beautiful dog, I can’t AFFORD these doctor bills, the vet wants to see him in March (another $500) then again for a skin test, then give me injections so that I can give to my dog…this will cost me at least $1,000 I don’t have. Can you refer me to an organization that can help me pay these bills? Please help me I’m disabled he is my only companion he LOVES me so much he gets separation anxiety when I go out. I get sick to my stomach thinking I might have to give him up forever. Could it have been the Rabies shot together with all those shots they give him every year at the vet’s office? Please email me. Thank you very much.

  114. Jan Says:

    Lilly, you asked “Could it have been the Rabies shot together with all those shots they give him every year at the vet’s office?” Yes! And to even think of vaccinating a dog again when he has so many health problems is horrible! It’s also against drug label instructions. They say, “for healthy dogs only.”

    Yearly shots are a thing of the past. They’re only given to make money for vets.

    Here are some organizations that help with vet bills. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/veterinarians/vetbills/

    But if I were you, I’d find a vet trained in homeopathy. This vet will know how to treat your dog, not just suppress symptom after symptom. Check out the referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets Or write me again, telling me where you live, and I’ll see if I know anyone who can help. I could also give you the name of vets who do phone consultations.

  115. Cathy Beasley Says:

    I don’t have a problem, but a fellow e-mailed me about losing his beloved 6.5 lb. black & rust 2 yr.old Min Pin DYING at the clinic. They gave him rabies AND parvo at the same time. Within 5 min. he was in trouble. He ended up dying at the clinic having seizures and he is beyond mad and upset and his 11 yr. old daughter is beyond grief! I sent him your info about what the vet “should/should not” have done. He wrote the board about this and “thinks” the vet should buy his little girl another dog. I told him I bet he won’t take the blame. He contacted me about getting another dog perhaps, but I just can’t believe that vets STILL insist on multiple shots on these small dogs!

  116. Jan Says:

    Cathy, your friend should definitely insist that the vet report the death to the USDA and the manufacturer. It’s the vet’s obligation, one they shirk most of the time.

    Get the dog’s records from the vet. Hopefully, the same drug company made the parvo and rabies shots. That will make it easier. Otherwise, he’ll have to go after the vet or two manufacturers. Have your friend read the last part of this article to find info on reporting. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ This is very important. Your friend should be reimbursed for the cost of the dogs, any training and vet care, although it may take some pushing.

    I’d also go to the media on this. A young adorable dog shouldn’t die after a vet visit. I’ll supply all the scientific studies your friend and the media will need.

    You are a good friend. Let me know if I can help further.

  117. Lisa Says:

    The vet did a titers test 5 days ago, said my yorkie still was ok for Parvo, but not Distemper. Of course they want me to vaccinate & the shot will have the 2, they can’t break them out. My dog is an indoor dog, doesn’t go to parks, neighborhood walks or hangs out w/ other dogs, he only plays & goes potty in our yard. What do you think are his risks of Distemper and can I do a preventive on it so I don’t have to vaccinate? I need to prove to my husband he doesn’t need those shots but can’t find proof. Please help.

    I currently use Natural Wonders Immune Bldr and the MaxoTox.

  118. Jan Says:

    Lisa, if it were my dog, I’d do a consult with Dr. Jean Dodds. She doesn’t charge much and can read the test for you. Some vets wouldn’t know an adequate titer if it were nipping at their heals!

    You could even redo the test at her lab, her prices are great, and she’ll read the test. I had a friend who did this when titers showed low and found that her dog had strong distemper titers on the second test. https://labordatenbank.com/cake/hemopet/samples/hemopet_form

    You didn’t say how old your dog is and at what age he got his last distemper shot. Write again and let me know. This can tell you a lot.

  119. Lisa Says:

    Hey Jan, thanks. He’s 7 yrs old and his last distemper was June 2010. I started researching after that….

  120. Jan Says:

    Lisa, the problem with titer testing is that it doesn’t show immunity later in life even when the dog is immune. If it were my dog, I’d presume immunity, otherwise why doesn’t he have distemper now? If he had even one vaccine after 15 weeks of age, he has a 95% chance of being immune. Also, distemper is mostly a puppy disease. And the older the dog, the more problematic vaccines can be. Read this short study abstract: http://truth4pets.org/2012/06/vaccinating-senior-pets/

    Of course, the decision is up to you. If you can afford it, contact Dr. Dodds.

  121. Michele Martinez Says:

    Please heed the advice in this article. Had I had a clue about this, it may have saved my beloveds life. He recently had his vaccinations and it caused an immune disease that destroyed his red blood cells and he was bleeding to death so I had to put him down. It was the most difficult experience I have ever had. Please take the time to discuss your loved ones situation with your vet and determine if and what is really necessary. Max would not have wanted his passing to be in vain.

  122. sylvia unger-torelli Says:

    I just got a new puppy, that was with her dog parents, and owners who bred her, until she was 3 1/2 months old, so I know that she has natural immunity, just like babies that breastfeeding. I know that we msut give her the rabbies vaccine that is all that is required by law. The vet gave her a first check up, for her vital signs, and organs, and to check if she was healthy. She also got her worming, pills, monthly, becuase we saw a few of them in her stool, but now at least are gone. We keep her indoors, but she gets to go outside for exercise, and to poop, but will be trained to poop in her box, and also wears puppy diapers, indoors, for prevention of accidents. She seems to be doing good, and has gotten used tothem, doesnt mind at all, and also we will have to give her the tick and flea shampoos, in the summertime. She loves to play and has stopped alot of the unecessary barking, she used to do, when we first got her, it was due to seperation anxiety, from the litter. Now she loves the new home, and routine, and has gotten used to the new nightime routine as well, when lights are out, she stays quiet most of the night, except when she is restless, and wakes up too early. Just like a little newborn baby does. Ihave also adapted to her puppy routines, and can pamper her a little bit, when she always starts to whine. But we love her so much, and she loves us too! I will have to clean her teeth, to prevent decay, and hope she will have a long and happy life with us, and stay healthy! sylvia

  123. sylvia unger-torelli Says:

    I also dont know if we wanted to have our puppy spayed yet, she is still too young, to decide on that, but I dont know what will happen when she goes in heat? I have never had a female dog before. She is so cute that maybe she could have a ltitle of puppies, but then, I will have to find a male dog to mate her with, when she gets in heat. I will try to ask someone, about it, whenever we take her out for a walk, we may find someone with a dog, perfect to mate her with, like a male small poodle, or mixed poodle, in a cream or white colr(she is mostly black, wavy haired, with a touch of silver/grey), very cute!

  124. Jan Says:

    Sylvia, only experts should ever breed. There are too many dogs bred solely because they are cute without considering genetic defects. Also, breeding her will increase the chance of her developing cancer. It is dangerous and expensive. And you will be adding to a world full of dogs who already need homes. Please, please don’t do it.

    Spay her when her bone growth plates are fully mature. As a vet when it is.

  125. Linda Says:

    I cringe at the thought of not vaccinating puppies until they are 4 months old. Parvo is a disease the vaccinations help prevent. It can kill puppies within 48 hours of symptoms and it is a very painful death. Pavro is a very strong virus and can live for two years in the environment. This means you can bring it home on your shoes after going to the pet store, and transmit it to your dog. Some breeds are more prone to get Parvo and do not respond to treatment as easily. Some of these breeds are Pit bulls, Rotties, Dobermans and a few others. Please vaccinate your puppies!!

  126. Jan Says:

    Linda, you’re right about parvo. It’s everywhere. No one here suggests not vaccinating, but rather, you should give the last shot at 15 to 16 weeks. If a titer test shows immunity, your pet is likely good for life according to top researchers. Read more at http://www.truth4pets.org

  127. Russell Jones Says:

    Hi— just found your site- any direction would be greatly appreciated…
    Rev 2013
    January 16th to the Vet for his Canine Rabies Vaccination plus he was given the following as well-
    Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, Parvo Vaccination and the
    Bordatella Vaccination and the
    Lymes Vaccination.
    Dr. Paul weighed and checked him and he seemed in great health for an 8 year old 104 lb American Bulldog.
    Rev is usually a ravenous eater but he seemed to slow down after the shots. And he has had times where he would vomit periodically– which is not his norm.
    February 8th we bought a new flavor of dog food made by the same company we have been using for a few years A Taste of the Wild Southwest Canyon Formula with Wild Boar.
    Again Rev usually attacks his meal but he seemed to be ‘not himself’ when it came to eating. There was even a night where he left his food overnight- which never happens.
    Since we live ‘in the woods’, Rev has periodically taken off for a while and could have gotten into something.
    He would have times when he would drink a lot of water but it was not an everyday thing.
    His energy levels seemed a bit down even when we went on long walks but we attributed that to being inside a lot during the long winter.
    On February 28th a delivery man came to the house and we invited him in to wait get paid. He was a young man with a baseball cap on. Rev checked him out and we told him everything was okay. He sat across from my wife at the kitchen table and was petting Rev as we spoke. He was making a chicken delivery and told us about the young pit bull he had.
    I was making some breakfast when we heard a growl and the young man jumped back. Rev had nipped him on his left cheek and it drew a little blood.
    I yelled at the dog and took him outside. He seemed confused about why he was in trouble. We treated the injury and tried to figure out why Rev had nipped him—the hat, the smell of chicken, the smell of the guys dog?
    I actually call him Rev the Therapy Dog. People come to the house all the time to get treated for injuries and Rev is sometimes overly friendly to everyone. He thinks he’s a lap dog even at his size and loves to get petted or do tricks for our guests.
    My wife and I were very concerned about what happened. A few hours later an old friend of the family came to pick up her chicken. She’s a woman in her 70s and was coming in the basement door. She has been to the house many times. Out of nowhere Rev jumped up and nipped at her face hitting her in the mouth. The woman quickly pulled back behind the door. Thankfully no skin was broken.
    What has gotten into our friendly dog? He never looks happy anymore.
    I called our veterinarian friend at home and have talked to our old neighbor in Florida who has been a dog breeder for over 50 years.
    I called the place where we buy our pet food—they know and love Rev also. I called the company that makes the dog food in Missouri and spoke to their resident veterinarian.
    The suggestions are as follows-
    Take Rev off the dog food immediately which we did. We are feeding him a different brand along with organic yogurt the past few days.
    Closely monitor where he goes outside to be sure he’s not getting into something that could make him sick- an old carcass or poison?
    Have him Temperament tested. Maybe this would be better done after any possible health/medical issues are eliminated?
    Take him to the vet to be checked—blood work check or maybe a tumor?
    Thoroughly follow up on seeing if he reacted negatively to any of the vaccines he received- could they have been tainted?
    In the meantime, we are keeping him totally isolated from people- which is quite sad- since he has brought joy to so many over the years. I just checked and we have a picture of my 6 year old granddaughter taking Rev for a walk on leash on January 6th. She’s 40 lbs and he’s walking down the street with her like a perfect gentleman.

  128. Jan Says:

    Russell, after all those unnecessary shots, it’s a wonder your dog is still alive. My advice is: fire that vet! Please read this article about what shots your dog needed: http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ The quick answer is that likely only the legally-required rabies.

    I’m going to copy a response I wrote to another reader yesterday whose dog had trouble walking after a rabies vaccine. Symptoms of vaccinosis, vaccine-induced disease, can resemble the disease the vaccine was meant to prevent. A symptom of rabies is aggression.

    Your vet should have recognized this as vaccine-induced illness. Read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies%20vaccinosis.htm

    Please do two things. 1. Report the reaction to the vaccine maker immediately: http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/
    2. Make sure the reaction is recorded in your dog’s file and get a copy of the file.
    3. Contact a vet trained in homeopathy who will likely understand how to help get the dog you love back. Here’s a list: http://truth4pets.org/vets/ In particular, you might try Dr. Loops or Dr. Chambreau. They can treat your dog by phone. Or check the referral list to find someone near you. You’re going to need a new vet in any event.

    I doubt if the aggression will go away on it’s own and your dog is in danger of really hurting someone and also being in trouble with animal control. Dogs that bite too often end up put down.

    Perhaps you would allow me to put your story on my nonprofit all-vaccination website. It could really help others. http://truth4pets.org/tell-your-story/

    If you need more help, write again. Good luck.

  129. Russell Jones Says:

    Thank you so much for your response. I will definitely follow up on the suggestions.
    You are more than welcome to use Rev’s story which we are trusting will have a happy ending… bye4now…

  130. Ann Says:

    I’m a first time owner of a lovely Pom. I never had any pets before. My Pom is now 7 months old and my vet is suggesting different kinds of vaccines. I do not know if all of them are necessary or maybe the vet just want me to pay her a big fat bill. I so i tried to research and came across your site. Great info! thanks for this.
    Some say Rabies vaccine can be dangerous,
    My dog was just had his Rabies vaccine and I was advised by my vet to do another shot after 6 mos and then will be yearly after that.. Is that safe? I do not want my dog to be over-vaccinated and can potentially be ill. what’s your thoughts on this? Thanks
    Looking forward to your response.

  131. Jan Says:

    Ann, I’m so glad you posted at Truth4Dogs. You need a new vet!

    Dogs get a second rabies vaccine one year after their first, then every 3 years after that in every state and almost every locality. Check out your state law at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies-laws. Then check in your city/county to see if they differ from the state law. Few do. And yes, this vaccine can be dangerous. So can others.

    Please read http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ before you even think of vaccinating again. And watch the videos. At seven months, it’s unlikely your dog needs more vaccines except the legally required rabies. But read and watch. Be an expert on your dog’s health.

    Also check out http://www.dogs4dogs.com/food.

  132. Ann Says:

    Thanks Jan for replying. If not for this site I wouldn’t know that I am about to endanger our baby. We love our Dave(pet’s name), he brings so much joy to us. I’m married but no kids yet. More than just a pet Dave is like a baby to us. He’s part of our family, and we always want him to be safe and protected. I want to educate myself on dog care (vaccinations,etc). Glad I stumbled upon your site. I subscribed already, excited to read more of your interesting blogs.
    by the way, I am from the Philippines :-)

  133. Jan Says:

    Ann, I’m glad I can help. Did I tell you about http://www.truth4pets.org? Lots of vaccine information there.

  134. Ann Says:

    Thank you for all the links! I will definitely check them all.
    About heartworming vaccine, my vet also suggested to have that shot for Dave. Was advised by my vet to have it a week after his Rabies shot. I think I read somewhere in your site not to have another vaccines at least 4 weeks after rabies.

  135. Jan Says:

    Ann, nothing could make me give my dog Proheart. Google it. It was withdraw because of deaths then returned to the market with warnings. Please read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/05/13/heartworm-medication-safety/ — a 2 part article. Also the two articles on Proheart. Click the INDEX tab to find them.

    Also, separate any vaccines by 2-3 weeks, not one.

    Get a new vet!

  136. Ann Says:

    thank you thank you so much! BIG BIG help for me. I will definitely get a new vet! Thanks again Jan and more power!

  137. Diana Crawford Says:

    To Lilly, #113:
    “Real food is Nature’s supreme disease preventative,” as Catherine O’Driscoll says for her worldwide organization “Canine Health Concern,” & in her article at: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/Vaccine%20Damage . Also minimizing vaccines. She doesn’t vaccinate her dogs at all. She campaigns for dog health, writes books about it, & teaches dog health classes.
    Read on dinovite dot com about meaty food & species-appropriate vitamins, omega 3, flora, enzymes, etc. Probably, those will make your dog much better. ~ Diana

  138. Florida doggy mom Says:

    My 8 pound Chihuahua, rescued dog, aprox. 2 1/2 to 3 year old, had the following shots last year: 11/7/12
    DHPPVCV( parvo/corona/distemper/ hep.) & a rabies shot.
    The vet told me after giving the shot that it was for 3 years.

    I’ve just received a reminder card saving he is due for a parvo/corona vacc. I called the office for clarification. They told me that the rabies was the 3 year shot.
    and, that the doctor gives 6 months booster shots because of being in the tropics(Florida)., that that’s the way the doctor does it because of
    what is written on the directions from the manufacture and because of , for example, there being parvo in the soil.

    I have never heard of 6 months boosters.

    When my dog had those shots on 11/7/12, he had a reaction, lethargic, and not his self for 3 days. At that time, I called the vet & took him in. He gave him a benadryl shot. If I would have know that he was going to do all that and not give him a benadryl shot before the others, I would have insisted.

    Rather, the vet gave the shots then said, ” this is good for 3 years”.

    What do you know about having 6 months boosters? and being in Florida?

    I would appreciate your taking the time to reply as I do not want to over vaccinate my dog.

    Thanking you in advance.

  139. Jan Says:

    Florida doggy mom, do not under any circumstance go back to that vet. In my opinion, that vet is greedy or stupid or uninformed — or all three! Frankly, I’m surprised your dog is still alive. There’s no such thing as a 6 mo. booster — you’re right. Check out the law here: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies-laws

    DHPPVCV( parvo/corona/distemper/ hep.) & a rabies shot: wasn’t your dog vaccinated in rescue? If not, the parvo and distemper were necessary, probably. If not, your dog should have been given a titer test for parvo/distemper and a rabies shot, several weeks apart. No one even gives coronavirus anymore; every vet organization advises against it!

    Each additional vaccine given at once increases the chance of a reaction by 24% Your dog got 6. I hate your vet.

    Please also read this: http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ and http://truth4pets.org/2012/06/vaccinating-small-pets/

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  141. sassyk Says:

    Help.

    My dads tea cup yorkie had puppies, and when he went to the vet store they told him tp give his dogs shots at 3,6,8, and 12. They sold him the shots and he gave them to his puppies. When he sold them he gave everyone copies of the shots. One lady called and said her vet said that was not good idea. I was with my father when he called the vet store, and they said same 3,6,8, and 12. My father told the lady what the vet said and she told him to hold on. Then got back on the phone and said its 6,8,12 weeks. However, he has already given the shots they gave him up to 8 weeks. Will this effect the dogs, and should he not give the 12 week bc of it? One dog hasnt been wanting to really walk do you think the shot caused it?

  142. Jan Says:

    Sassyk, vaccinating at 3 weeks is terrible. So is six. I don’t mean to be rude, but this why only experts should allow their dogs to have pups. And they shouldn’t take advice from people who make money selling more vaccines.

    None of the advice your dad got is correct. Here’s what should have happened: http://www.wsava.org/sites/default/files/New%20Puppy%20Owner%20Vaccination%20Guidelines%20May%202013_0.pdf

    The most important shot is at 12 weeks. Even another at 15 or 16 weeks. The early shots were given when the pups still had immunity from their mom, and that immunity blocked the vaccine. Quite frankly, I’m surprised this tiny pups are alive.

    These pups are likely to have lifetime health problems. You didn’t say what vaccines were given but I’ll but they were 5-way or 7-way vaccines which are extremely dangerous. Each vaccine given increases the chance of a reaction by 24%, especially in tiny breeds. Read this: http://www.wsava.org/sites/default/files/New%20Puppy%20Owner%20Vaccination%20Guidelines%20May%202013_0.pdf If these pups are to have a chance at any health, they will expert vet care from a vet specializing in vaccine damage. There are referral lists at http://www.truth4pets.org/vets Some will consult by phone.

    Please, tell your dad to stop breeding this poor dog.

  143. Emily Hayes Says:

    I have an 8 year old puggle, who, last year received the lepto and dtap vaccines and suffered a major allergic reaction. My vet went to vaccinate today with just the lepto and when I said I was very concerned due to his reaction last time, she suggested giving him some benedryl and a steroid before administering the vaccine. I declined the vaccine for now as I am really scared that my pup might have an even more severe reaction. That said, I do have an 11 month old baby in the house and since lepto can be passed to humans I am nervous to not vaccinate the dog. I am torn and looking for a straight answer about how long the lepto vaccine lasts…he’s had it every year. Are there studies out there that can validate that the lepto vaccine is only good for a year? In the northeast, is lepto a common disease found in dogs?

  144. Jan Says:

    Emily, I’m so glad you trusted your gut re the Lepto vaccine. I am not a vet, but short of an epidemic and proof that the vaccine protected against your local strains, I would not vaccinate. Here is a retired vet’s article about lepto; he is dedicated to the truth. http://www.2ndchance.info/onesize4all.htm

    Re the other vaccines, dtap (? or dhap or dhpp) they are for puppies, not adults. Please read this: http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ And find a vet more dedicated to health and current information than giving unnecessary vaccines. If she wants to give another shot, make her guarantee there won’t be a reaction and that if there is one, she will treat it for free.

    Re how long Lepto lasts, most studies say less than a year. Some won’t protect at all. I wonder who has scared you about Lepto and the danger to humans. Lepto is a disease of wetlands and woodlands for dogs spending time outside in these areas. Do you know local people who have had this problem? Let facts, not fear, guide you. You are on the right track.

  145. Lindsay Says:

    Hi Jan,
    I adopted a 2 year old half labrador half german shepherd and I only know he has received the bordatella and DTAPP and I have no knowlege of his medical history. I was wondering along with the rabies vaccine what shots does he absolutely need? I don’t want to overvaccinate him. Thank you.

    -Lindsay

  146. Sveta Says:

    Jan. I’m in a panic my pup went to the vet today to get a check up before she gets spade. She was given her rabies shot again! When she had already gotten it about 1.5 months back. I am beyond scared right now, they said they missed it in her file.

    What should I be looking out for? She is only six months.

  147. Jan Says:

    Sveta, what you should be looking for is a new vet! Yours is horribly incompetent. This should never happen.

    Do not let her go into surgery for at least two weeks. This is very important. And I would find another vet!

    Here are some articles to read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/
    http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

    RE symptoms to watch for, there are many. Please write again if you notice anything out of the ordinary. I can almost promise you that your vet will tell you anything that happens will have nothing to do with the two shots. This is not true.

    If I were you, I’d talk with a vet trained in homeopathy to help with the over-vaccination. http://www.truth4pets.org/vets

    Good luck.

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