The Rabies Vaccine and Your Dog: Side Effects

Written by Jan on June 18, 2008 – 4:39 pm

Rabies Vaccine Adverse Reactions

The rabies vaccine is arguably the most dangerous shot our dogs get. Because it’s required by law, it’s a difficult shot to avoid. Because the vaccine is made from a “killed” virus, rather than “modified live” virus as are the other important “core” vaccines, manufacturers add dangerous “adjuvants” to boost effectiveness. These adjuvants too often cause adverse reactions, some of which occur quickly, but many of which occur days, weeks or even months after vaccination. A “killed” vaccine (rather than one from a modified live virus), the rabies vaccine contains adjuvants (chemical boosters) to enhance the immunological response. In 1999, the World Health Organization “classified veterinary vaccine adjuvants as Class III/IV carcinogens with Class IV being the highest risk.”

My year-old Maltese Jiggy developed autoimmune liver disease after a rabies shot. Rabies Challenge Fund Founder Kris Christine lost her dog Meadow to a vaccination site fibrosarcoma (cancer). Countless other dogs have developed anaphylactic shock; autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel and central nervous system; seizures and epilepsy; autoimmune hemolytic anemia (AIHA); aggression, separation anxiety and strange compulsive behaviors; lack of muscular coordination; skin disease; fibrosarcomas at injection sites and countless other disorders. Click here to learn more about adverse reactions to the rabies shot.

But the vaccine is required by law, so what can you do about it?

First, if you can trace your dog’s illness to the shot, you may have a better chance of treating it. A steroids and Benadryl shot may stop an allergic reaction, but will likely do nothing for on-going problems.

Second, if your dog has a documented history of problems with this or any other vaccination, you may be able to get a special exemption from your local Animal Control. Your vet needs to be told about any reactions immediately. Make sure they’re documented. Get a copy of the file.

Third, because of an amazing study by the Rabies Challenge Fund, we now have the opportunity to help extend the period between shots to up to seven years, maybe even longer. Even a $5 tax deductible donation to this fund can make a big difference.

Click this link for more information on the rabies vaccine and rabies vaccine reactions and learn how to document and report the reaction (so you can get an exemption from the shot next time), plus protective measures you can take to make the shot safer.  Find a holistic vet to help you undo the damage from the shot.  Don’t wait too long. Time is important when dealing with reactions.

Please post your questions, stories or comments here. And please read all the previous comments. There’s a lot of good information here including answers to many questions.  Click “comment” below.

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  1. rachael plane, veterinarian Says:

    These United States, how ununited we are. The state laws concerning rabies are so OUTDATED, they do not take into consideration that vaccinating an animal is the most dangerouse medical procedure doen on a daily basis, is done without FULL DISCLOSURE and certainly done WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT. The damage done to our aniamls is unconscionable. There have been NO titer tracking of the masses vaccinated to even record what is happening with these overvaccinations.SO many animals are receiveing annual immune assualts of the mumbo jumbo polyvalent vaccines and many time FOUR vaccines at a time, full of toxins, heavy metals, adjuvants,poisons that are rapidly destroying the health of the vaccinated animal.WE KNOW that rabies vaccines results in behavior problems (rabies miasms), increased aggression, seizures, autoimmune diseases, thyroid disease, diabetes, Cushings, Addison’s disease and CANCER, many many cancers, mast cell tumors to the whole gamut, the adjuvants are CARCINOGENS. So why the overvaccination? Laws were made like so much in the United States, before the process was investigated. Now, we have vaccinated animals still testing POSITIVE for rabies?????? Why is This? Could it be that we have never tested the long term effects of multiple polyvalent vaccine adminstration on the lot of sickly animals that are now living with VIDS (vaccine induced disease) is it because we are vaccinating sick animals in direct violation to the FDA regulations but even in referral hospitals (BECAUSE THE ANIMAL IS DUE FOR HIS RABIES??????) This is insanity, not to be confused with the fear mongering associated with the need to overvaccinate in the first place. CORPORATE GREED, POLITICAL COMPROMISE, LAWMAKERS WHO ARE IDIOTS ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Rabies vaccines, every vaccine results in genetic mutation, what are we doing to the animals? What are we doing to the people?

  2. Traci & Lulu Says:

    Hello!

    I saw your ad in The OC Dog just by chance and it caught my attention when I read “Rabies vaccine is one of the most dangerous shots for dogs & cats.” Personally, I knew that, but no one ever talks about it!

    I’m in Huntington Beach. I have a Maltese, 8 years old. She has horrific skin problems. I have literally spent thousands on her care, spared no expense, we see a Board Certified Veternary Dermatologist regularly and we still can’t really make it “go away.” We can barely even make her comfortable. Her feet and armpits are extremely raw and irritated, and she constantly has internal bacterial infections.

    I moved here from Oregon when she was 1yr. She never had skin problems or allergies, then all of a sudden she gets them here, after about a year. After we were FORCED to give her a rabies shot at the vet. I never gave rabies to my dogs previously – my Mom was a breeder of champion Maltese and Yorkshire Terriers when I was a kid and I knew the problems they caused (she knew people who had very expensive dogs literally die on the spot) plus I knew my dog would never be out in the wild or even in the back yard by herself, so her chances of ever needing a rabies shot was a million to one.

    She obviously lived through her rabies vaccines, but it never occured to me that her skin problems could be from the rabies vaccine? We’ve only been here 6 years and she has had two shots. Her allergies/skin problems get worse and worse and at this point she is generally considered to have an extremely serious skin problem. Right now it looks like we may be forced to just go on steroids so that she can be comfortable, but it will definitely end her life early. It really angers me.

    Thanks,
    Traci & Lulu

  3. Debra Anderson Says:

    Hi,

    I adopted a young chihuahua, she was 8 weeks when I got her, she had her first shots DHLP Parvo, then I brought her for her 2nd series, which was DHLP Parvo , corona and Bordetella (intro-nasal) and she was 11 weeks when this 2nd series was given, later when I got her home she was very sore and crying when I touched the injection site, which was on the side of her stomach! I thought it was customary to inject between the shoulder blades, so anyway now she has a large knot on her tummy the size of a grape, she is a small dog weighing only 1 pound and 14 ounces. then a day after this she starts hacking and coughing on occasion, then sneezing, and today she has fluid coming out of her nose when sneezing and she has spit up a bit of bile once or twice today. She is eating OK, drinking and playing, but sleeps more often. I am bringing her back to the vet today but I am reluctant to ever vaccinate her again. What should I do from here? Should I have her get her last series? or should I use an alternative method? If so I would not know where to go.

  4. Dr. Kim Bloomer Says:

    Hi Jan,
    Thank you for posting our show with The Rabies Challenge Fund. Dr. Dodds, Dr. Schultz and Kris Christine are doing such a great, selfless thing for all of us and our dogs!

    My own VERY special Golden Retriever, Fridge, was a perfectly healthy, happy boy BEFORE his first rabies vaccine. I was working as a vet assistant in a busy clinic at the time, doing what I thought was the right thing to do. My boy suffered seizures his entire life within a day or two of receiving his first rabies vaccine. He died at the age of 12 1/2 of cancer of which I attribute the vaccine and the kibble-fed diet I had him on…if only I knew then what I know now his life would’ve been so much better, healthier and longer. Of that I’m certain.

    Thank you for sharing the truth here!

  5. Judi & Shalimar Says:

    This is especially for Traci and Lulu…

    As for the rabies vaccine….2 weeks ago my Maltese had the shot and she has been so lithargic, as well as not eating and just a few times throwing up water. Today, again, I “happened” onto your site….and now I understand what she is going through. I am angry that our little furry children have to go through these things…when will it all change?

  6. Gayle Jann Says:

    But what do we do even when we know that the rabies vaccine is so bad for our dogs. It is required by law and if your dog does not have a current vaccine and for some reason there is a rabies scare in your area your dog could be put down just because the vaccine is not current. This is a major problem. So until the rabies challenge fund is successful what do you advice doing to protect our dogs?

  7. Julie M. Says:

    I own a 1 1/2 year old Shiba Inu. I got him a rabies 3 yr booster (under the skin instead of in the muscle) on July 7, 2008.

    Four days later, I noticed that the hair around his eyes was thinning. Then he started scratching at his head. Now he needs a T-shirt to prevent him from scratching his chest bloody and an Elizabethan collar to stop him from scratching his head bloody and chewing at his forelegs.

    We ended up driving 60 km away to his breeders’ veterinarian after a real problem with our former vet. There is no genetic history of allergies, he’s never had a reaction like this before… we’re waiting for the results from some skin plugs that were taken for biopsy.

    This is extremely stressful; it’s been 2 1/2 months that he has had to have protective gear to stop him from damaging himself.

  8. kat mushkat Says:

    Despite my obsessive reading on all things Maltese, today is the first reading your information. My 4 mo. old maltese received his rabies shot and then 2 weeks later had a flea bath at the groomer without my permission. Wally then had a rough week showing signs of neurotoxicity – forgot how to go to the grass to potty, sits vacantly staring, aggressive and biting, listless, chasing tail, licking paws. After receiving homeopathy and acupuncture treatments he is improving but still not 100%. Hopefully over time he will show additional improvement

  9. CARLA Says:

    I recently took my german shepherd to the vet because I found a lump. It ended up being a sebaceous cyst. The vet was also concerned she hadnt gained weight and is thin…she wants me to up her intake of food and if this doesn%u2019t work she thinks it may be EPI. Now, I didn%u2019t know what EPI is…(found out later after home researching the internet). She told me the cyst wouldn%u2019t matter for her vaccinations (because it should only be given to a healthy pet)….I told her I am only willing to get the rabies one because it%u2019s the law…she of course tried to talk me into all of the vaccinations…but I didn%u2019t give in. So, I got the rabies…but since we were over a year since her last one (she’s 2 yrs old) she said we have to get the 1 year again and then booster 1 year later and then can go to the 3 year rabies vaccine…My dog also got this shot last wednesday and as of saturday she keeps throwing up! And ever since she got her puppy shots she has AWFUL SEPARATION ANXIETY…

  10. tia Says:

    I took my Jack russell to get his rabies shot as required by the state to get his license, he had severe pain and swelling at the injection site. I took him back to the vet and they said it was rare but should go away after a few weeks. He now does not jump as high, his legs go out from under him on occasion and he has a golf ball sized lump on his thigh. It has been a few months with no sign of improving.

  11. Wendy Myshrall Says:

    I purchased a standard poodle pup at age 5 mths. On Friday before he was shipped he received his rabies vaccination. I received him on Saturday. He ate very little, seemed stressed and afraid and made little attempt to move around. I contributed it to stress from the flight, a new environment and new people. I had to carry him outside and then carry him inside. He continued like this still eating and drinking little. On Tuesday I came home from work and he seemed lethargic. On Wednesday morning we went to the veterinarian. He found he had tonsilitis and a few baby teeth still in that caused some infection. The teeth were pulled and he was put on antibiotics.
    On Thursday, he would drink a little and eat a little but could not even stand up on his own. Back to the veterinarian. He has been hospitalized since then and placed on high-powered antibiotics to bring his fever down. His white blood cell count was over 20,000. The veterinarian now believes he had a reaction from the rabies vaccination that has attacked his autoimmune system and caused what is similar to coonhound paralysis. Today he is doing a bit better, is able to eat a small bowl of food and is able to hold his head up, sit up so we are hoping he makes a full recovery. This is the first time I have ever seen this type of reaction to a vaccination and hope I never see it again.

  12. Jan Says:

    Wendy, your story is so distressing. I’m not a vet, but it sounds like your dog has been stressed in every way possible. He should have never been vaccinated against rabies then shipped. In fact, they shouldn’t have shipped the dog at all. It’s a terrifying, terribly stressful experience.

    Then for your vet to stress the dog further with anesthesia and surgery, followed by the stress of antibiotics, then a hospital stay. I’m surprised he’s still alive.

    If I were you, I’d get a second and even third opinion. I mean no offense, but your vet seems to be guessing about what’s wrong.

    Neuromuscular problems are not an uncommon occurrence. You need an expert. You might call or write Dr. Jean Dodds, a rabies vaccine expert. Get her email address or phone number at http://www.hemopet.org. She’s is So. Cal. No one knows more about this than she.

    There’s a vet, Dr. Kruesi, who’ll consult by phone at http://www.crvetcenter.com. He’s amazing. Look for a holistic vet near you at http://www.holisticvetlist.com. If your vet is a general vet, get a specialist. Insist. Also, make sure there is qualified help with your dog at night and on weekends at the hospital. Dogs in many hospitals are left alone or with untrained help when the clinic is closed.

    I hope this helps and wish you luck.

    Jan

  13. Carol Says:

    My 1 1/2 year old yorkie has always had reactions to any vaccine and even to the Advantage flea and tick med. She always get lethargic. With the vaccines she also gets a bit of a fever. A few days ago she had her rabies vaccine. The following day she was feverish, lethargic and very sore at the injection site. She wouldn’t eat or drink or come out of her bed. I was scared and took her to the vet. I was shocked to hear that my tiny dog gets the same dosage as a 150lb. dog! How insane! My vet has noted her reactions and said there were things we could do before the next vaccine to make her more comfortable and minimize a reaction. My baby is doing fine today, thank God, but I don’t want to put her through this again! The pathetic part of all this is that she is an indoor dog. She’s so tiny we use a pee pad in the laundry room. I can’t imagine where she’d ever get rabies from in my laundry room!

  14. Cindi Says:

    Hi,
    I am tearfully writing this story about our beloved boxer, Aarris

    I have a two year old boxer, when I first got him, I had all kinds of tests run on him to make sure he was in great condition1 the vet said,” he is a perfect specimen of a boxer. there’s nothing wrong with him.

    Well, three months ago, I took him in to the vets to have his yearly rabies shot, they gave him a three year rabies vaccine,

    A couple of hours after the
    rabies vaccine, he had a seizer! it broke my heart!

    The next morning, he had another seizer, they are small seizers. its been three months now and he’s still having seizers. Last night he had another seizer and it lasted two full minutes!!!!!

    Sometimes after a seizer he doesn’t know where he is, and acts like he’s not sure who we are. His personality is changing.
    We’ve already lost his mate, We can’t bear to lose him too.

    What can I do? I am afraid to ever have another rabies shot given to him.

  15. Jan Says:

    I’m so sorry about your dog’s seizures. Here are two things to do:

    1. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file. I’m sure every responsible vet would say he shouldn’t have another rabies shot. Get a SIGNED copy of all documentation. When it’s time for another shot, have your vet apply for an exemption. But everything must be documented, including the brand of shot and the lot #. Also, report the reaction to the manufacturer. Make copies of emails, letters, etc. Keep everything in a safe place. Find help about all this at http://www.truth4dogs.org and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots

    2. You need a holistic vet as soon as possible. He/she may be able to reverse the seizures. You didn’t say where you lived. Try http://www.holisticvetlist.com. A fabulous vet who will work by phone is Dr. Kruesi. http://www.crvetcenter.com. Don’t delay. Time isn’t on your side.

    3. If you can, make a donation, no matter how small, to the Rabies Challenge Fund. http://www.truth4dogs.org

    I wish you and your dog the best.

  16. Jan Says:

    I’m so sorry about your dog’s seizures. Here are two things to do:

    1. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file. I’m sure every responsible vet would say he shouldn’t have another rabies shot. Get a SIGNED copy of all documentation. When it’s time for another shot, have your vet apply for an exemption. But everything must be documented, including the brand of shot and the lot #. Also, report the reaction to the manufacturer. Make copies of emails, letters, etc. Keep everything in a safe place. Find help about all this at http://www.truth4dogs.org and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots

    2. You need a holistic vet as soon as possible. He/she may be able to reverse the seizures. You didn’t say where you lived. Try http://www.holisticvetlist.com. A fabulous vet who will work by phone is Dr. Kruesi. http://www.crvetcenter.com. Don’t delay. Time isn’t on your side.

    3. If you can, make a donation, no matter how small, to the Rabies Challenge Fund. http://www.truth4dogs.org

    I wish you and your dog the best.

    Jan

  17. Henry Says:

    My seven year old Cavalier King Charles spaniel has had a rabies vaccination in January. By February I had noticed a small pea shaped lump on his right hind leg, near the knee joint. This lump is now one centimetre in diameter. The vet took my dog out of the room in order to adminster the vaccination so I don’t know where the injection site was. Max will be returning to the vets so that the lump can be examined. It would be useful to know if canine rabies injections are given in the hind leg-can anyone provide an answer?

  18. Karen Leggett Says:

    My 4 pound Russian Toy Terrier has just been diagnosed with vasculitis, autoimmune hemolytic anemia that is now effecting the central nervous system, now with seizures secondary to the 3 year rabies vaccine. I am a medical doctor, and left feeling shocked that it took 4 vets to diagnose it with 4 trips to the vet in 9 days. She is receiving treatment with IVIG (immunoglobulin), steroids and anti-seizure medications. At this point she is fighting for her life and so I have no options but critical care medicine. How is your maltese? Do you have any words of wisdom or words of encouragement for me? Thank you.

  19. Jan Says:

    I replied to Henry privately, but think others might benefit from what I wrote: It’s best not to allow them to take the dog into a back room for anything unless there’s a reason to do so other than their preference. But that’s water under the bridge for this incident.

    Here are the options for giving a rabies shot: subcutaneous, that is, injected just under the loose skin between the shoulder blades. Or intramuscular, that is, injected directly into the muscle (usually the big muscles of a dog’s thigh)? My expert says the hind gluteal muscle is the preferred site.

    Injection site consistency should be policy at your vet’s office. They should tell you where they gave it, and you’ll probably just have to trust them. You might try asking a vet tech to describe their policy.

    See my web page http://www.truth4dogs.org for information on helping your dog with this problem. You should try for an exemption when the shot is due again, and you should also see a holistic vet if possible. http://www.holisticvetlist.com

    I wish you good luck,
    Jan

  20. Jenn Says:

    My 3-yr-old Cavalier King Charles spaniel had her annual “vaccination package” (including rabies) today. The vet gave her two injections and she yelped horribly with both shots. I have never heard her make that sound ever – and she kept yelping for several minutes after the shots. She seemed fine when we got home, but as the evening has gone on, I’m worried. She won’t walk – when she tries to walk or to get up from laying down, she yelps and cries. She does the same thing if I try to pick her up. She never did this before with any shots. She’s just been sitting all evening – even with a tempting bone in front of her. It’s like any movement is hurting her. How could the shots have hurt her so bad that she even cries if I touch her stomach or legs? Is this a common reaction? Now she’s just sitting (not even moving) and crying. Thanks for any help — Jenn

  21. Jan Says:

    Jenn, your dog is having a bad reaction. Report it to your vet immediately. You must make sure this reaction is recorded in your dog’s file. Get a copy.

    Re the pain at injection, I’m not a vet, but I can only guess the needle hit a nerve, although I suspect that’s the least of your problem.

    I’d take her in ASAP. She never should have gotten a rabies shot with any other shots. What other shots were given? Was it a shot with lots of antigens, usually called a 7-in-one or 5-in-on? If so, no wonder there’s a reaction. Few adult dogs need shots anyway. Please read my other vaccine articles when you get a chance to learn more about vaccinating.

    You’ll probably need a holistic vet to resolve this reaction. http://www.holisticvetlist.com. Let me know if I can help.

  22. Bridget Says:

    I just took my 1 year old bichon-shih tzu mix to the vet today for a suspected ear infection and a rabies vaccination (1 year) since its required by law. he also got a parvo shot. he’s kind of lethargic and yelps when you touch his hind legs. is this a normal reaction? i’m a first time pet owner and i had no idea there were so many possible adverse reactions to the rabies shot and now i’m really worried. any help would be great.

  23. Jan Says:

    A dog should never get another shot with his rabies shot, nor should he get a shot when he has an ear infection. He probably didn’t need a parvo shot if he’s had his puppy shots.

    Tell your vet about the reaction right away and make sure the reaction is recorded in his file … and get a copy. It’s a not uncommon reaction to a rabies shot. You may be able to get an exemption when the shot is due again. If it were me, I’d ffind a vet with more up-to-date knowledge.

    Also, take a look at my last two blog posts on vaccination. Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure and Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots Read the page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots

    Keep an eye on your dog. If he doesn’t improve, get him to a holistic vet who can undo the damage. http://www.holisticvetlist.com

  24. Luann Says:

    Hi,

    I took my 15 month old Lahasapoo for his rabies shot just yesterday afternoon, he threw up in the car on the way home, it was a green foamy substance, bile I’m thinking.

    He was fine after that I thought that it was from taking a ride in the car and being upset with getting a check up and shots at the Vet. I was not aware until right now that no other shots should be given with the rabies shot. One would think that a Vet would know this, and as I have/had complete trust in my Vet did not think anything about that yesterday.

    Buddy had his DA2PPV annual booster shot along with his 3 year Rabies vaccine. This morning when we got up, Buddy clearly is not feeling well, I called the Vet and they told me that this is a normal reaction to the Shots that he received yesterday, I am worried beyond belief because in the year and 15 months that I have Buddy he has never been without his appetite and he has never just laid around, after reading this blog and the website and seeing “Scared Poopless” I must say that I am scared poopless that there is something more wrong with my little man.

    I was told by the Vet if he does not improve by Monday to call back, but I just don’t know if I can wait until then.

  25. Jan Says:

    Vomiting is not a normal reaction, but it is a common reaction. Your dog was hit with a lot in one day. Why vets give a rabies vacciine, known for adverse reactions, with other shots is beyond me.

    Even after recovering, your dog will need some help to avoid long term damage. A vet who knows homeopathy or a homeopath who does animals is your best bet. Here are some links that might help: http://www.drpitcairn.com/referrals/referrals_intro.html and http://www.holisticvetlist.com

    If your dog doesn’t improve right away, go back to your vet. And MAKE SURE the reaction is recorded. Then find a vet who’s more savvy about shots.

  26. Jane Camp Says:

    My two and a half year old Golden Retriever, Molly, got her rabies vaccine on 2/16/09. That same day, within just a few hours, a knot appeared at the injection site. My vet said not to worry about it, as it was just a reaction to the shot. To make a long story short, we watched it for about two months, still doing nothing with the advice from my vet. Finally, I insisted that it be looked at by my vet. It was aspirated, looked at under the microscope, and mast cells were discovered. It was removed, sent off to the University of Ga. Vet school for a biopsy, and it was a stage 2 mast cell cancerous tumor. It was not present until a few hours after Molly received her rabies shot. My husband and I are convinced that it was the shot that caused this tumor. We lost another Golden three years ago to Mast Cell Tumor Cancer. If the rabies vaccine is causing this, something needs to be done.

  27. Jan Says:

    Jane, I’m so sorry about your dog’s problem. An injection site tumor is by no means an uncommon reaction. It is so common in cats that they recommend giving the rabies vaccine in the cat’s leg. That way, they can cut off the leg if a tumor develops. Can you believe it? Your vet knows, or should know, this. I hope you’ll find a more forthcoming vet ,and wish your dog the best of luck. I also hope you’ll support the Rabies Challenge Fund which is trying to limit the number of rabies shots a dog gets. There is a donation link, and much more information on the rabies vaccine, at http://www.truth4dogs.org. I hope you’ll also post your story at the Guestbook at page’s end at http://www.squidoo.com/rabiesvaccine. I think you’ll be appalled at all the horror stories there.

  28. Denise Mira Says:

    My 3 year old Pug, came down with seizures 10 days after his rabies vacinne. Turned out to be an auto immunne illness known as the fatal Pug Dog Encephalitis. He lasted 3 and a half months, every day deteriorating more and more. He could barely walk straight, he became blind, he was disoriented. He was like living with a human with advanced dementia but with recurring non stoppable seizures. Only an ER 911 visit with valium would stop the seizures.

    This was the most traumatic loss I have ever experienced, worst than my parents death, worse than my divorce.

    You know why? I feel responsible that I caused his illness, I will forever feel that the rabies shot was the catalyst for the onset of this illness. I lost my little boy and was devastated for over a year.

    (Sorry for any spelling errors.)

  29. Jan Says:

    I know you must feel terrible, but you were doing the best you could at the time. Forgive yourself and start learning more about vaccinating now and tell everyone you know. I hope you’ll go to my other rabies website http://www.squidoo.com/rabiesvaccine and post your story in the guestbook there (at the end of the page). Everytime you tell your story, you expose others to the truth. Also check out all our information at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/ And give yourself a hug.

  30. Scott Miller Says:

    I sent you an account of my experience with a puppy that died from a vaccination. It was from “sad dad”. I hope you will look at it and post it. This kind of senseless tragedy can be avoided if people will get the word out. Thanks for all you are doing.

  31. Scott Miller Says:

    Just a quick story about my sad experience with a local vet that apparently hasn’t heard this news. I brought my 8 week old pup to the vet the day I got her before bringing her home and he informed me that she had kennel cough. We continued to treat her for this until she was 3 and 1/2 months old. At that time I brought her in for her regularly scheduled check up. The vet and I both agreed that she was improving. I was very clear in telling him several times that she was still congested and coughing to the point of “hacking up” mucous at least 2 or 3 times a day. He said said that we would stop antibiotics and give her an antihistamine to “dry up” her cough. He also said he thought she was well enough to give the rabies vaccine. Not knowing any better, and trusting him, I let him do it. That was Friday. Saturday she seemed very tired. We woke up Sunday to find her almost non-responsive and saw that she had vomitted over night. I immediately took her to the local emergency clinic and they put her on IV fluids and antibiotics and told me she was “crashing”. I picked her up monday morning and took her back to my vet who admitted his responsibility, told me to take her to the animal hospital, and told me he would take care of the bills. I took her to the hospital where they tried valiantly to save her but she passed away that night. Tests showed that there was no parvo or any other contributing factors evident that might have caused her death. Unfortunately, the vet decided afterwards that he was not responsible and told me he was “washing his hands of it”. However, is not that easy for me. I am pursuing the matter leagally to make sure he is held responsible and that the next person does not have to go through the heartbreak and pain that I and my family experienced.

  32. Jan Says:

    That is such a sad story, Scott. Thank you for sharing it here. Your dog never should have been vaccinating while still ill. Read my post http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/ It says “only for vaccinating healthy animals” on the vaccine label. Make sure you get your entire file from the vet. There’s a lot of information on http://www.dogs4dogs.com/ Click the Vaccinating (/shots) link, and the Rabies Shot (/truth4dogs) and Vet (/vet) links. You’ll find information there about filing complaints and about reporting your dog’s reaction to vaccine manufacturer. For that, you’ll need the manufacturer’s name and lot #. Do not expect a lot of satisfaction. Filing a complaint with your local veterinary medical board is probably your best bet. Lawsuits are stacked in the vet’s favor as dogs are considered “property.” Also expect the vet board to be less than thrilled that you’re filing a complaint. That said, I hope you’ll follow through. (You can check to see if this vet has other complaints.) Also, try contacting your local news stations. I know a woman who got her dog on the news and is getting the law in Massachusetts altered to include rabies exemptions — something already available in other states. Here’s the video link: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16410586/detail.html I also hope you’ll make a donation to http://www.rabieschallengefund.org All proceeds benefit research of the vaccine and trying to make the requirement for vaccination every seven, not three, years. I wish you the best of luck in all this. Please help spread the word about the dangers of all vaccination.

  33. Julie MacTire Says:

    I’m happy to say that my above story about my Shiba Inu has a good ending. Our vet prescribed him Atopica (Cyclosporine) as an alternative to Prednisone and we were able to eventually wean him off the pills after a few months. He now appears to be relatively allergy free, but we’ve had him neutered because there is no way to tell whether the allergies are all from the vaccine or if they’re from an immune deficiency.

  34. Joann Says:

    I have a 2 year old Chihuahua who had her first rabies vaccine at 12 months with no adverse side effects, however, she did have a severe reaction to the distemper vaccine which landed her in the emergency and thank god all went well. She is now due for her 2nd rabies vaccine and I am very concerned about any allergic reaction since many times it’s the 2nd one, not the 1st with the problem. Other than legal issues, is it risky NOT getting the rabies vaccine? Our state has no reports of rabies since the 70′s and bats seem to be the only carriers. Would love to know your opinion. I do go to a holistic vet and she said this 2nd vaccine would last up to 3 years and it would not be yearly. Still, I’d rather not at all after reading some serious side effects.

  35. Jan Says:

    Joann, legal issues aside, rabies vaccine experts Schultz and Dodds believe the vaccine lasts much longer than 3 years. Probably 7 or longer. They’re working to get laws changed to reflect this. See my Rabies Information page for more details. I have vet friends who got the rabies shot in vet school who are still immune 25 years later. You can do a blood antibody titer test to make sure your dog is immune. In fact, you should do a titer test for parvo/distemper and one for rabies (the rabies being most expensisve). Your holistic vet should be willing to try for an exemption for the shot if your dog has a documented history of adverse reactions. Many localities allow this. If you do give the shot, have it done by a vet familiar with homeopathy so he/she can give the appropriate remedy with the shot.

  36. Terry Says:

    Hi Jan,

    I read your rabies vaccination article on squidoo and linked over to your site, excellent information!

    My dog Pootie was a lab/chow mix who started having seizures after being vaccinated for rabies, it was the only vaccination she received, I quit giving all other vaccinations to any of my dogs years ago. Pootie died of cancer almost 2 years ago at age 10.

    I currently have two 1.5 yr old border collies who’ve never had a vaccination, unfortunately I’d be in deep dog doo doo if animal control ever stops by. I know I have to legally get them rabies vaccinations and I’m dreading it. The borders became sick shortly after I got them, they were only 4 weeks old, their mother had quit feeding them (big litter) and I had fresh goat’s milk to give them. They appeared to have parvo, this was cured in less than a day by giving canned pumpkin mixed with pedialyte, about 4 teaspoons every half hour. I have friends who also took puppies from this litter, 3 others that I know also appeared to have parvo. 2 were also treated with pumpkin/pedialyte and cured in less than a day. The other went to the vet, was on an IV for several days and I’d hate to think of what the vet bill was, but she did survive – barely. That pup’s owner had just had her 9 yr old border collie die after receiving her “annual booster shots” – whatever the name of the condition is where the blood attacks itself – and that same vet also treated the dog until it died, another huge vet bill and still the owner continues to use that vet.

    My daughter bought two papillon puppies from two different breeders and those poor dogs had had 3 sets of vaccinations before they were 8 weeks old. We have not given them any since and they are 2 years old now. They haven’t had rabies vaccinations either and we’re dreading having to finally do that to be legal.

    Our county, by the way, is ‘rabies-free’ and has been for over a decade. The state requires a 1 year vaccination to be followed by the 3 yr vaccination. If you are late on the 2nd 3 yr vaccination you’re required to do the 1 yr vaccination again. This makes no sense to me.

  37. Jan Says:

    Terry, I can’t believe the breeders actually gave 3 sets of shots before 8 weeks. 8 weeks is the earliest in most circumstances that shots should even start! Most puppies still have maternal immunity before that age so are actually immune to the shots. If they were my dogs, I’d ask my vet to give them a titer test for both parvovirus and distemper. (It’s just one test.) Read my article about titer testingfor more information. If the tests show immunity, many of the top experts say never to vaccinate again. Others would wait 5-7 years, which is how long duration of immunity studies show the parvo and distemper shots last. Check out this article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots to learn more.

    Re rabies shots, there are a few things you can do to make vaccinating safer. Check out my suggestions at my Rabies Information page. Make sure you vaccinate when your dogs are healthy and not stressed, and don’t give any other shots or even flea meds within weeks of the shot. If possible, see a holistic vet familiar with homeopathy so that your dogs can get a remedy with the shot. This is what vaccination expert Dr. Jean Dodds does. Your daughter’s Papillons probably need to see a holistic vet in any event because they’ve already been over-vaccinated. This could lead to health problems down the line. There are also remedies to help with vaccinosis issues, although there are no guarantees. The sooner you try, the better. Find links to holistic vets on my Find a Veterinarian page.

    Thanks so much for posting your question. I hope this is helpful.

  38. Shirley Says:

    I have a 15 year old Maltese who has had rabies vaccinations as required by law up until this last was due. He has such skin, ear and eye infections that are ongoing. He is treated, then a few months later, they return. I told the Vet that I would not allow my dog to have anymore rabies shots. Now I’m having a hard time finding a Groomer who will give him the regular grooming that a Maltese needs. Any suggestions? Thanks Jan.

  39. Jan Says:

    Shirley, I have two suggestions. 1) See if your county/state permits exemptions for dogs with health problems. Many do. Some vets will help with this. Some won’t. Remember, vaccine manufacturers’ product inserts say they are for health dogs only. See if you can find a holistic vet who can help with an exemption or making vaccination safer. See my Rabies Info Page for more suggestions. Or 2) See if your groomer will permit titer testing. Testing shows actual immunity. Vaccination just shows intent to give immunity. This may buy you time while you try for an exemption. I wish you the best of luck.

  40. Noel Taylor Says:

    Hello,

    I have two unrelated 3lb Chihuahuas that have developed lumps from shots. I noticed a small lump on my female Chihuahua’s hip area after she was spayed. I called the vet office and they told me they did not remember if they had given her a shot there during the surgery. My male Chihuahua had oral surgery at the same vet and came back with a lump on his back. The vet said again they did not know what caused it. My male Chihuahua also has a HUGE knotted area on his shoulder that developed after he got a shot at another vets office that the vet said was an antibiotic. They labeled him allergic although I think the vet that gave it to him drug the needle along his muscle. This was the first shot during which my dog screamed. In the past both my dogs had been given their 9-way and rabies on the same day. My male was back then what you would consider a healthy dog.

    My male Chihuahua gets extremely sore and lethargic for days after he gets his annual shots. About a month ago my dog had his 9-way shot and I refused the rabies. The vet gave him some type of anti-inflammatory shot to help with soreness. It didn’t work. This year my male has had brain damage from jumping off a couch into a table. He also has excessive fluid issues in his upper respiratory tract due to a collapsed trachea and he has an enlarged heart. He is on diuretics and is going back next month for x-rays to monitor his heart. Because of these issues and his sensitivity to shots, I am reluctant to make my little dog’s body deal with anything else. (by the way, he is only 2 years old!) He has never received a 3-year rabies shot (at least to my knowledge). He is due this month and I don’t know what to do. The vet seems to think he can have his rabies shot now but I just don’t believe that. I have been to many vets and I am not happy with any of them. Please let me know if you have any advice. I also have heard there are certain shots that small dogs should not get and that they can go for longer between shots. I am not sure if this is true. Since I practically live at the vet with my male, I want to keep him with immunity to all of the things he may pick up at the vet’s office.

    Thanks,
    Noel Taylor, Pensacola Florida

  41. Jan Says:

    This is an important post for Noel and everyone:

    Noel, your story is so horrible I don’t even know where to start. To begin with, what’s in a 9-way shot? That’s inconceivable. A 7-way is terrible, and so is a 5-way. What 9 shots could any dog possibly need? And how could they have given a shot during surgery — which is bad enough — and not even have recorded it?

    Regarding shots small dogs shouldn’t receive, Melissa Kennedy, DVM, PhD, DACVIM wrote in DVM360 on-line magazine: “The likelihood of adverse reactions in dogs has been found to correlate with the size of the dog and the number of inoculations given, with higher risk associated with small size and multiple inoculations.” This means: no combo shots for small dogs — or any other dogs for that matter. And NEVER GIVE ANY OTHER SHOT WITH A RABIES SHOT. Wait at least three or four weeks between the rabies shot and other shots.

    Here’s a question I like better than what shots shouldn’t a small dog get? It’s: what shots should any adult dog get? When was the last time you got YOUR childhood shots? Would you let anyone give YOU 9 shots a year without knowing exactly why? Your vet clearly didn’t inform you of why you needed to give the shots, why they were necessary, what the alternatives were and what the adverse consequences might be. That’s a violation of the legal doctrine of informed consent. If it were my dog, I’d file a complaint with the vet board.

    Now, down to business. Get the files on both your dogs. Dogs should NEVER have shots during surgery. NEVER. You need to report the reactions to manufacturers. Please read Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure
    I believe you are getting way too many shots. And annual shots are a thing of the past. Please operate from knowledge rather than fear of disease. Please read Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots
    You can test for immunity rather than getting shots Titer Test: Don’t Vaccinate Your Dog Unnecessarily Also see my page on Vaccinating Dogs: Why Your Vet Won’t Tell You Don’t worry about catching diseases from too few shots. Titer test and learn what your dog’s immunity is. Then worry about your dog getting sick from too many shots.

    Ask your vet to appy for a rabies vaccine exemption for health reasons. There’s a great deal of info on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Don’t take no for an answer unless exemptions are prohibited by your area’s laws.

    You need a holistic vet to help your dogs heal. It is important to keep an eye on the lump. If you can’t find a holistic vet in your area, write me for a vet who will consult by phone. I’m sorry you’ve had so many problems with your babies. I’m not a vet, but I hope my advice helps.

    One more thing: please watch the two videos on Avoiding Dangerous Vets and Standing Up to Your Vet. Your vet should be there to give you current advice and to be a partner in your dog’s health. YOU are there to be your dog’s advocate. It’s rarely easy but almost always necessary. Most of us learn this the hard way because we don’t have the information we need. But the information is there. Now, please share it with your friends. I wish you the best.

  42. Cara Says:

    I have a Registered Aussie. He is now 4 and a half yrs old. After his first Rabies shot he started have bad seizures. Grand mals, and then into cluster ones. Of course the Vet said no way that this caused it. Well I do not beieve him. The breeder I got Kodiac from has bred dogs for 40 yrs and none of her line nor the line she breeds too have had seizures. She is very careful to check out all. Well now I am sadened that my beautiful Red Merle has to live with this. He was having a seizure once or twice a week. Is there anything I can do natural or holistic to help him???? I had to give in and put him n the postassium Bromide and Phenobarbytal. I know the dangerous side affects of these 2 medicines, which I am not happy at all with. He has been on it for 2 mos. now. No seizures, but drugged and not the same boy at all. Please help if you can. Thanks Cara

  43. Jan Says:

    RABIES VACCINE AND SEIZURES: Cara, seizures are a well-known side effect of the rabies vaccine. Veterinarian Patricia Jordan, a vaccine expert who is just finishing a book on the dangers of vaccination called Mark of the Beast, wrote this when I posed the question to her about rabies vaccination and seizures: “… I know it is one of the more common post vaccine sequelae [an aftereffect of disease, condition, or injury] …….it is so acknowledged in children as to be on the Federal Register of post vaccine events. Best way to have treated is to see a classically trained homeopath and of course, no more vaccines. This should warrant a waiver….but alas the same ignorance still reigns supreme.”

    So, to find a vet skilled in homeopathy, see my Find a Veterinarian page. Dr. Pitcairn-trained homeopaths will know a lot about reversing rabies vaccine vaccinosis. There are no guarantees, but if you act quickly, you’ll have the best luck. If you can’t find a holistic vet in your area, try to find a homeopath for humans who also does animals. Many of them do. If that still fails, write me and I’ll send you some names. Be sure to tell me where you live.

    A holistic vet, or any vet for that matter, should be able to apply for an exemption for your next rabies shot. Most, although not all, areas allow them for dogs with chronic, severe health problems. Fight for this. It’s vital.

    Regarding other shots, if your dog had his puppies shots for parvovirus and distemper, he likely has lifetime immunity — or at least immunity for 5-7 years. You can do a titer test to verify it. Shop around for good prices. They vary widely.

    Dr. Jordan is a homeopath and is also trained in acupuncture and herbology. If she recommends homeopathy, that’s what I’d try first. There are “remedies” for the rabies vaccine and also for other vaccination-induced illness. Many other vets I know also recommed homeopathy for vaccinosis, though many people find it odd. My dogs and I both use various rememdies for various complaints.

    I wish you the best of luck.

    I hope this is helpful.

  44. Jan and Grace: Re Allergic Reactions Says:

    ALLERGIC REACTION TO THE RABIES VACCINE: This question and comment were posted by Grace re my article on Vaccinating Sick Pets, but I believe they should be repeated here:

    Grace wrote: My new puppy, was taken to the vet today and got her first rabies vaccination. After she came home, she was doing fine except she kept putting her eyes to the ground to itch them. I took her outside to go for a walk and noticed her staring at me. While she was staring, I realized her outer eyes were swollen. So i picked her up and took her back inside, and when i put her down, she put her eyes to the carpet and started itching them again. I decided to research on what it could be.
    I find out, that rabies vaccination is extremely hazardous.

    My vet has not told me ANYTHING about it… Her face is swollen, I fed her some benedryl and I’m hoping she will get better, but I am still worried about what might happen to her.

    I already paid for all of her shots to be taken care of, but I’m afraid that those shots can end her life…….

    I don’t know what to do and I am very scared on what might happen to her…

    My Reply: Grace, your dog is having an allergic reaction to the rabies shot. This can be very dangerous. You MUST report this to your vet immediately and ask for advice. This is an all too common response to the vaccine. You MUST make sure the reaction is recorded in your dog’s file and you MUST get an initialed copy of the file. You’ll want to apply for an exemption next time the shot is due. Learn more on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Also please read our article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots When the immediate crisis has passed, please see a veterinarian trained in homeopathy. See my Find a Veterinarian page for referral lists. If you don’t address the reaction in a timely fashion, it will likely result in a long-term problem.

  45. Cheryl Alexander Says:

    My 14 lb, 15 month old Rat Terrior got a rabies shot today. About 4 hours later his face swole severely. His eyelids were red and he had welts on top of his head. I took him to the vet and they gave him benedryl shots and other shots. Now, 10 hours later his swelling has gone away. I am still worried and very concerned about him having any kind of shots in the future. He will not be due another rabies shot for 4 years.

    He is due some other shots but now I’m scared to let him have ANY kind of shots. What does he have to have?? Please advise.

  46. Jan Says:

    ALLERGIC REACTIONS TO OTHER SHOTS AFTER AN ALLERGIC REACTION TO THE RABIES SHOT: Cheryl, even if the crisis has past, there is more to do. first of all, you MUST make sure the reaction is recorded in your dog’s file and you MUST get an initialed copy of the file. This will help you apply for an exemption next time the shot is due. Learn more on my Rabies Vaccine Information page.

    Your dog had a shot of antihistamine and probably also a corticosteroid shot. Both of these are immune suppressants. It’s so crazy: the vaccine stimulates the immune system to provoke immunity, then the other shots suppress the immune system.

    Regarding potential problems with other shots, yes, your dog may well have another adverse reaction. The question is: why does your dog need other shots? Just as people get shots in childhood and then never again, so should most dogs. Please learn which shots to get, and which not to get, at Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots Also, you can and should check your dog’s immunity to parvovirus and distemper with a simple blood test. For details, read Titer Testing.

    As soon as you can, please see a veterinarian trained in homeopathy. See my Find a Veterinarian page for referral lists. If you don’t address the reaction in a timely fashion, it may result in a long-term problem. In most cases, an allergic reaction to a shot is not like a bee sting that just goes away.

    I hope this helps.

  47. Jan Says:

    SEIZURES AFTER A RABIES SHOT I got this question on another of my rabies vaccine pages and wanted to share it. They wrote:

    “We adopted a 3 yr old Dachshund from the pound and the dog had seizures 12 hours after he got the rabies shot … After reviewing the situation, the Vet told us most probably he has epilepsy, which needs medication for his whole life, and that’s why the previous owner doesn’t want him….. ”

    As they had just adopted the dog, they reluctantly returned him to the pound. They soon found the dog listed again as available and wanted to know what to do about going back and getting him.

  48. Jan Says:

    SEIZURES AFTER A RABIES SHOT Seizures are a fairly common response to the rabies vaccine. They may or may not recur. Your best best, if you want this sweet dog, is to take him to a holistic vet trained in homeopathy. Find A Veterinarian here. This vet could work with you on “clearing” the vaccine from his body. There’s a great deal of information about all this on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Also at my Truth4Dogs blog, Click “Rabies Shot” in the Categories on the right of the page and scroll down and read comment 43.

    One more thought, re the vet saying he probably has epilepsy and that’s why the previous owner didn’t want him, I think that’s unlikely. They would probably have deemed him unadoptable and would have put him down when he arrived at the shelter. Some vets just don’t want to believe that the rabies vaccine causes this problem.

  49. Joann Says:

    I am still stressing so much about this rabies vaccine. The more I read, the more I know it’s a bad idea especially for my little 7 lb. chihuahua. I have indicated to my dog’s vet all my concerns and thus far have set up the following and wanted to know your opinion. My holistic vet is going to give my dog a homeopathic remedy two days before the rabies vac shot in case any reactions occur. I have also scheduled my dog to stay at the vets office to be monitored several hours after the vaccine is given. We are also going to discuss if a smaller rabie vaccine dosage is an option and not sure what your feelings are on that? I was thinking of getting the titer test done but even if she shows efficient immunity, is it legal proof and can I apply for exception? Not sure how that works when you get that titer test done and what legality is attached. I truly appreciate all your insight and value your opinion.

  50. Jan Says:

    MAKING VACCINATING SAFER and VACCINATING SMALL DOGS Joann, I don’t blame you for being stressed, but you are wise to have a vet trained in homeopathy give the shot. The vet’s precautions are excellent. I haven’t heard of giving a homeopathic remedy two days before a shot — only on the day the shot is given. I’d love to know more about this. I hope you’ll ask your vet about this and tell me what he/she says.

    I always recommend that you stay in the vet’s office after the shot. With small dogs and dogs prone to reactions, but also with any dog, reactions can happen rapidly. Sometimes just being in the vet’s office when a reaction begins can make all the difference. I think it’s a good idea to get the shot in the morning so you can monitor the dog all day. And always sleep with the dog in the room in case there’s a problem during the night. In no event should a dog be left alone after any shot.

    It is illegal to give a split dose, although I suspect it is done all the time. However, holistic vet Dr. Richard Pitcairn (the father of veterinary homeopathy) once asked me: “Do you really think that giving half a billion antigens instead of a billion will really make a difference?” I didn’t have a good answer. Click here to find a vet trained by Richard Pitcairn.

    A titer test for rabies is fairly expensive and unnecessary if you’re giving the shot anyway, although you could test two weeks after the shot if you needed to test immunity for some reason. A titer test is usually given to prove immunity if the shot won’t be given for a while or ever, and for international travel. It is not, as far as I’m aware, a legal substitute for vaccination anywhere — although I believe it should be. Titer testing is a good substitute if a groomer or anyone else wants a shot before it is legally due. Don’t ever allow this!

    Don’t give any other shots, or any other drug (flea meds, heartworm meds, etc.) within 3 weeks of the rabies shot unless your vet says the medication must be taken. Homeopathy given with the shot for protection is an exception.

    Now, try to relax. You’re doing all you can to vaccinate safely and you don’t want to stress out your dog.

    Good luck.

  51. Earl Micknass Says:

    Hi. Very concerned over a dog vaccination given 6.18.9 (two days ago). The certificate of vaccination clearly states that the vaccine was MFG by PFI (Pfizer), there is a serial number, but the concern I have is the LOT EXP: 8/28/8.
    It looks like the vaccine is nearly a year over the expiration date. Should I be concerned, is this common and OK… I would appreciate ANY information and quickly if possible.
    Many thanks
    Earl

  52. Joann Says:

    Hi Jan. Just thought I would write back and let you know I have decided against the rabies vac for my little chi. Given her very serious reaction with a different vaccine, I just cannot take that chance with the rabies vac. My dog is pretty much a “housedog” and only goes in my yard with me directly behind her every move. The only animals in our state with rabies are bats and she does not go out past sun down and there is really no chance of a bat getting inside our home. She is also a timid, scared and mild mannered dog so the chances are her biting anyone also very unlikely and my vet explained how the law works with that issue. She doesn’t travel nor at any daycare or parks. She doesn’t like the big dogs at parks so we avoid them and use my huge yard as her own park where we play. Yes, I am taking a chances but it’s the chance I will to take for the health of my dog. She is my world and no law is going to force me to do something my gut is telling me not to do. My vet actually agreed with my decision which shocked me. I did want to share with you the process my homeopathic vet uses which is probably the safest option when getting a rabies vaccine. She gives a medicine two days prior and I forget the name but it’s not a medicine that would prevent the typical swelling that normally takes place but it works as a prevention of more severe reactions to her system that would cause harm her long term. If there is any reaction, there is a homeopathic remedy she gives that would clean her system out of the vaccine and she would be monitored 3-4 hours after the rabies shot. Can’t get any more precautionary than that so hopefully people on here will take your advise and go to a homeopathic vet, especially for vaccines. Thanks again Jan.

  53. Christine Says:

    Hi. The last month has been very difficult for our family. Our beloved Yorkie mix Rufus, approximately 5 years old rescue, with a heart of gold and a wonderful nature, was going into kennels for 4 days. We took him to the vet on April 29 for his rabies booster, and a well check. He had both with no reactions except that he appeared sore at the injection site. This lasted approximately 4 days improving as each day went by. On Tuesday, May 5 he seemed fine, now jumping on and off our bed. On thursday May 7 in the evening he started to vomit and on Friday morning he had died. I cannot express our devasted we are, we took a perfectly healthy happy little dog, and gave him a death sentence. Our vet performed an autopsy and it was hemalytic aneamia. My vet told me he had reported it to the drug company, and I am waiting on a return phone call from the vet because I want to know if he has reported it to the FDA yet. Obviously the post mortem showed no other problems with my precious Rufus

  54. Jan Says:

    Autoimmune hemolytic anemia (AIHA) is such a heartbreaking disease, Christine. I’m so sorry for your loss. This is a rare reaction to the rabies vaccine but not nearly rare enough. (It’s on Dr. Schultz’s list of “rare to “uncommon” reactions; that is, reactions occur more often than 1 in 10,000 but less than 1 in a 1,000.) Keep after your vet; reporting rates are estimated at about 1%. You can call the company yourself. And check to make sure the vaccine hadn’t been recalled and was not out of date. I’d be interested in knowing if the vaccine contained thimersol (mercury). Thanks so much for sharing your story.

  55. Jan Says:

    OUT OF DATE VACCINE Earl, I’m happy to hear your dog hasn’t had a reaction to this out-of-date shot. That’s good. But I’d be furious at your vet for using a legally-required vaccine that far out of date. The vaccine could be useless, dangerous or contaminated.

    Here’s your dilemma: is the shot safe … is it legal … and is it effective? What I’d do is to call Pfizer anonymously and ask them these questions. Re possible contamination of the shot, ask them how to proceed.

    If Pfizer is worried about whether the shot “took” or not, or for your own piece of mind, I’d insist your vet pay for an antibody titer test. (For accuracy, wait at least two weeks before performing the test.) This test could cost up to $150 or so, so the vet should pay for it. His/her negligence caused it. Of course, if the vet knows about the problem, he/she will probably want to vaccinate again; another shot will only cost the vet a few dollars — but can be dangerous for your dog and end up costing you a fortune in the long run.

    If your dog has ever had a rabies shot before this, a titer test will likely come back showing strong titers. Blood studies show the shot gives immunity for seven or more years. A French “challenge” study (which directly exposed dogs to the virus) showed at least five years of immunity. If the test shows weak titers, you have a bigger dilemma.

    Your dog got the shot, which is what the law requires. A vet friend tells me, however, that it doesn’t meet the legal requirement because the vaccine had expired. (Note that neither of us are attorneys.)

    If you live in a high risk area and you’re worried about your dog being protected from a bite from a rabid animal, that’s another situation. I’d personally hate for my dog to get another shot any time soon because it’s often the adjuvants in the shot (those extra ingredients that make the shot “stronger”) that cause adverse reactions. You’d be getting double adjuvants and that’s not good. Read some of the other comments on this blog to see how dangerous one shot can be — let alone two in a row. If you decide to get another shot, please write me again and I’ll refer you to a vet who’s an expert on the vaccine.

  56. Christine Says:

    Re my previous post about losing our Yorkie mix Rufus with AIHA 8 days after rabies shot. I have been in contact with the drug company and they did apparently report an adverse reaction to the federal government. BUT, I have just had a vet on from the company, a phone call that was made at my request, and she tells me that the necropsy report that they PAID FOR was insufficient in that it only sent tissue samples, and therefore they cannot prove that the AIHA was due to the vaccine. So it seems like that the end of the story as far as my dog goes.

    The vet tells me that every month they look at the data to see if there is a spike, and as there was no spike, my dogs reaction was not deemed to be of significance. and I meant to say, that if it is only Rufus that had a reaction in May, what happens when there is an isolated (the vet’s words) occurrence again in June (another dog dies) and again in July, are they all just pushed to one side as not being conclusive proof or as she put it an isolated incident without proof of cause. I am very angry, frustrated, and helpless over this situation.

    Does anybody actually care what they are doing to these dogs with this awful vaccine? Oh I forget the vet from the company told me that they are always doing trials for these things. I think that was supposed to reassure me, although being the in medical profession, and seeing the disasters that occur with trials, and drugs that are later taken off the market, her comment did not inspire me.

  57. Jan Says:

    Christine, I hope you don’t give up. You should follow up on why the necropsy was done improperly.

    Also, you mentioned that the vaccine maker said they are always doing trials. I think they meant they look for patterns in adverse reactions. The only safety trials done for vaccines are performed prior to the vaccine being approved — usually for just a year. This is why vaccine labels say to vaccinate annually. That’s all they test them for. Of course, these vaccines have been on the market for years and tests by immunologists show that most of them last for years, if not for a lifetime. It’s one of the dirty little secrets of the vaccine business that keeps vets bringing in the yearly income. If your vet vaccinates yearly, find another vet.

    I’m so sorry for the loss of your dog, and for all the grief and aggravation that follow.

  58. Earl Micknass Says:

    RE: EXPIRED RABIES VACCINATION:

    I am happy to report that it was the computerized office form that needed to be updated, NOT the vaccine. 

    First, I talked to Pfizer, who were wonderful to speak with, they assigned a case number and offered to speak with the vet herself should she have any questions about the expired vaccine. Unfortunately, Pfizer has no data on using an expired vaccine on an animal; its outside the scope of any research they’ve done.

    At the vet’s office, one of the front-desk personnel assured me that it could not be expired as they go through so much of it. She then talked to the vet, whose “heart dropped” when she read the exp. date of 08/28/08 but then located Rory’s office paperwork, on which the sticker from the vaccine vial had been placed. The expiration date is really later this year. They thanked me several times while I was there for bringing this to their attention. 

    As you can imagine, I didn’t sleep much last night. Men tend to go through all the worst-case scenarios in their heads when anything happens, so that’s where I headed. Obviously, I’m looking forward to sleeping like a log tonite. 

    Many, many thanks for your research and emails. I very much appreciate you “being there” and your support over the weekend when there wasn’t much of anything available for answers. 

    Earl Micknass

  59. Marion, posted by Jan Says:

    This is a question about a reaction from a rabies shot that came from another of my rabies pages.

    I took my almost 6 yr old, 2.6 lbs chihuahua to get her yearly rabies shot yesterday. she hasn’t eaten at all today and this morning when my husband picked her up she yelped real loud! I noticed she won’t put any weight on that leg, she barely got out of her bed today. I even tried to give her some of her favorite treats and she was not interested one bit, instead she growled and barked at me! She has no diarrhea and has not vomited, but her big ears look really red…should i take her to the vet? or is this normal after the rabies shot?

  60. Jan Says:

    Marion, call your vet immediately. You should report all symptoms. Make sure your vet reports everything in your dog’s file so you can file for an exemption when the shot is due again. Go get a copy of the vet’s report and keep it in a safe place.

    I’m not familiar with the red ear symptom, but it sounds like blood sent to the area. Clearly, it’s not a normal reaction.

    I would also see a homeopathic vet, or a homeopath, as soon as possible to help with the effects of the vaccine. You do not want this to get worse and it may not get better on it’s own. The aggression is particularly troubling (and all too common). Read the short article by Dr. Dym for more information on rabies vaccine reactions that mimic the behavior and symptoms of dogs with rabies. (No, your dog is not infected.) I hope you’ll also go to Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Won’t Tell You to learn more about vaccinating. Your dog may react to other vaccines. This is important!

  61. Pat Terry Says:

    My 11 year old, neutered male lab received a rabies vaccine yesterday. Last night I noticed his left ear has a large water-filled pocket about 2 inches long and 1 inch wide. Today it is larger and more water-filled. He is otherwise in great health. Is it possible that this is a reaction to the rabies shot?

  62. Jan Says:

    Pat, I’ve never heard of a cyst developing on an ear after rabies vaccination, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a reaction. Are you certain it wasn’t there before the shot? In any event, call your vet’s office and report it. MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS. If it develops further, you’ll want a record which might be used to get an exemption in the future. Don’t let them put you off. It’s their job as well as yours to care about your dog’s health. Insist they put it in your dog’s file and ask them to fax you a copy. Tell them to ask the vet for advice as to whether the dog needs to come in. When it comes to the rabies vaccine, always err on the side of caution. Let me know what happens.

  63. Eva Says:

    We have an 18 month old Pekingnese male. He went in for his annual rabies shot ten days ago. He was in for a distemper shot last month and the vet wanted to give him the distemper shot at the same time and I luckily and unknowingly did say “NO”. After his rabies shot, we left the office and drove the 10 minutes home. After we set Guiness down on the floor he immediately started having trouble walking with his hind legs. He was also very lethargic, not eatting well and sleeping alot over the next few days. I called the vet back on the third day and they asked us to bring him right in. We went back and they said that since Pekingnese have trouble with their back ends when they start aging that our dog was just starting with hind end problems early and perscribed predisone. They were adament that it did not have anything to do with the rabies shot. I totally disagree!!!

    He is having problems with the front paws as well and shakes when we can get him to stand. I am terrified that he is going to die. He was a very happy, not lethargic, not over-weight wonderful playful puppy before the rabies shot. What can or should we do for him? Please help! For our sake and for guiness” sake.

  64. Jan Says:

    Eva, the hind end problems after rabies vaccination are a well-documented adverse reaction. Either your vet is not knowledgeable or just doesn’t want to admit that he gave the shot that caused the problem. In any event, make sure you have the reaction documented in your dog’s file and get a copy of the file. This is very important. You’ll want to get an exemption to this shot in the future.

    Please read my articles on Vaccinating Dogs: Eliminating Unnecessary Shots and Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets. Your dog is in no shape to be vaccinated against distemper. I presume he has been vaccinated for distemper and parvovirus at least once since he was 4 months old so he likely has lifetime immunity to distemper and you can prove it with a blood test. Read Titer Testing for details.

    Find another vet. Your vet is either unknowledgeable or is lying to you. Anyway, you need a vet trained in homeopathy. This is your best bet to remedy the situation. Find referral links at my Find a Good Vet page. Do this as soon as possible. The sooner you work on this problem, the more likely your dog will get better. If you can’t find a vet near you, please write me. Go to my Dogs4Dogs contact page.

    I wish you the best of luck.

  65. Robin Hopp Says:

    I took my 2 1/2 year old 8lb Yorkie in to be spade last Wed. They said she would also need to have a Rabies Vaccine and a DHPP Adult Vaccine before they would do the surgery. I did not know anything about small dogs and rabies or two shots in the same day. She had the shots and the surgery and I brought her home. She almost immediately became vicious , glassy – eyed, afraid of everyone and everything, etc. Also feels like she has a fever. I called the Vet office on Friday and they said that maybe some dogs become aggressive from the pain. I hoped she would get better over the weekend but has not. The clinic I took her to last week is on vacation this week. Someone said it might be a reaction to the Rabies shot, but now reading all of this I have to admit I am a little frightened for her. What can I do for her?????

  66. Jan Says:

    Hi Robin. Aggressiveness is a common reaction to the rabies vaccine, just as aggression is a symptom of rabies infection. (See Dr. Dym’s article on rabies vaccine reactions that mimick rabies infection.) Your vet either knows this and is concealing the truth from you so as to avoid accept blame, or is ignorant of the facts. Both are bad. Please see my Rabies Information page for more info. If you need confirmation about side effects, go to the nonprofit Rabies Challenge Fund. It’s principals are the top two rabies vaccination experts in the country: Dr. Ron Schultz and Dr. Jean Dodds.

    Vaccinating a dog for rabies and DHPP on the same day is dangerous. Rabies shots should always be given 3-4 weeks away from other shots, worming, etc. In fact, that this vet vaccinated for DHPP at all is horrible. Small dogs (all dogs really) should never get combination shots; combos are more prone to causing adverse reactions.

    Your adult dog was likely already immune to distemper and parvo and didn’t need the other shots anyway. Your vet should have given her a blood test called a titer test to test immunity instead of vaccinating.

    To vaccinate at the time of surgery is also horrible and means that your dog was supposed to make an immune response to multiple diseases when she needed her immune system to recover from surgery. Please read my Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets. I believe that your dog would certainly now be considered an unhealthy pet for life. Once she has had such a big reaction, most knowledgeable vets wouldn’t vaccinate her again. Vaccine manufacturers will tell you this as well.

    As to what you can do now, you need to make sure your dog’s reaction to rabies is documented in her file. Get a copy and put it in a safe place. You’ll need this to get an exemption to rabies vaccination the next time.

    Then find another vet. Your vet is either unknowledgeable or is lying to you. Your vet is incompetent when it comes to vaccinating safely. Anyway, you now need a vet trained in homeopathy. Homeopathy is your best bet to remedy the aggressiveness. As far as I know, it’s the only thing that will help. Find referral links at my Find a Good Vet page. Do this as soon as possible. The sooner you work on this problem, the more likely your dog will get better. If you can’t find a vet near you, please write me. Go to my Dogs4Dogs contact page.

    One more thing. Do your research and don’t let your vet wiggle out of his/her responsibility. Get your dog’s file first then tell them what you’ve learned. They should pay for your dog’s treatment, although they probably won’t. In any event, you must get treatment from another vet.

    There’s a great article by a woman named Elizabeth Hart who became a vaccination activist when her own dog was killed by over-vaccination. It’s called Are Vets Making Pets Sick?

    One more thing. You might consider reporting your vet to your state’s Veterinary board. Don’t just get mad or sad: Change things!

  67. Gerri Says:

    Well…glad to have discovered this site, but am distressed to learn how extreme the reactions are: I have 2 Jack Russells, that killed a skunk and subsequently the vet requested they have rabies boosters. (their routine shots were 3 months earlier) that was 48 hours ago:
    This morning one of them would not get out of bed….and when I attemped to carry him, he snapped. He is now very lethargic and shaky.
    Hopefully this will pass, but will make this incident known.

  68. Jan Says:

    Gerri, if I understand correctly that your dog got a rabies shot three months earlier, I can’t imagine why your vet would re-vaccinate. Either the vaccine works, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, what good would a second shot do? I fear this vet doesn’t understand vaccination. I would be very angry and upset if I were you. If I misunderstand that the shot was NOT given three months earlier, find out when it was last given. This is a powerful drug and should not be given “just in case.”

    Your dog is clearly experiencing a reaction to the shot. You can’t just hope this will pass. Call your vet immediately! Make sure your vet records the reaction in detail in your dog’s file and get a copy of the file. Put it in a safe place. When the rabies shot is due again, ask your vet to apply for an exemption.

    Next, I would consult a homeopathic vet, or a homeopath for people who understands vaccination. Do it as soon as possible to help with the effects of the vaccine. Click here to find a referral list for homeopathic vets. You do not want this to get worse and it may well not get better on it’s own. The aggression is particularly troubling (and all too common). Read the short article by Dr. Dym for more information on rabies vaccine reactions that mimic rabies infection. I hope you’ll also go to Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Won’t Tell You to learn more about vaccinating. Your dog may react to other vaccines. This is important!

    I’m quite concerned that your dogs got “routine shots.” Your adult dogs are likely have lifetime immunity for the most important illnesses: parvo and distemper. A titer test can verify this. I really hope you’ll read Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert? and Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots. You also might want to read Titer Test: Don’t Vaccinate Your Dog Unnecessarily

    Vaccination is the heart of most veterinary business. Some vets give shots they know your dog doesn’t need — for profit. Others do it out of ignorance. I hope you’ll become an expert on this. I’ve done all the hard work for you. I hate that so many dogs suffer needlessly from side effects to shots.

    One more thing: if your vet gave your dog two rabies shots in three months, I’d expect him/her to pay for all treatment to remedy the situation (although he/she is likely to know exactly what to do.) I’d also report this vet to your state veterinary board. Laws have recently been changed in all states to not vaccinate more often than every three years because this shot is so prone to causing adverse reactions.

    I wish you good luck. Let me know what happens.

  69. Andrea Lewis Says:

    My dog is in pain with touch and very aggressive with the other dog in the house. She was givin a corona chot and a rabies shot at the same time and I want to know what I can do to make it better for her.
    Please help, she is my baby girl and i don’t know what to do.
    she is a mini Doxie about a 1 and a half years old.

  70. Jan Says:

    Hi Andrea. Your dog is having a reaction to the rabies vaccine. Check out my rabies information page at http://www.truth4dogs.com and read about the reactions. She never should have also had a shot for coronavirus. Experts call coronavirus a vaccine looking for a disease. Google it and see. Every vet school, and every veterinary organization in North America recommend against giving a shot for coronavirus and have for years. You need a vet who knows this. Please read my article Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert? at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/07/23/does-your-dogs-vet-vaccinate-safely/

    Call your vet and tell him/her about your dog’s reaction. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file. When it’s time for another shot, have your new vet (the old one has to go) apply for an exemption. But everything must be documented, including the brand of shot and the lot #. Get a copy of the dog’s file. Also, report the reaction to the manufacturer. Keep everything in a safe place. Find help all this at http://www.truth4dogs.org and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots This is important!

    2. You need a holistic vet as soon as possible. He/she may be able to reverse the seizures. You didn’t say where you lived. Find a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Time is NOT on your side. Do it soon.

    3. I’d fire the other vet and report that vet to your state veterinary board at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet. I can’t imagine why that vet would have given that coronavirus shot. Can you? Giving another shot, especially an unnecessary shot, made the adverse reaction to the rabies shot more likely. Go to page 7 at http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/VaccineGuidelines06Revised.pdf and read what the American Animal Hospital Association says about this virus.

    Be strong. Take action. And learn more about vets and vaccination.

  71. Rose Parmelee Says:

    My dog, a Chuhuahua has recently had an adverse reaction to rabies vaccine.
    Throwing up, slight fever, sluggish, didn’t eat hardly anything or drink for 3 days. Did report to my veterinarian.
    Just last night (one week after vaccination) noticed a small raised sore on her belly that is causing her a lot of discomfort. Don’t know if it itches or what, but she has been trying to lick it a lot. Do you know if this symptom has shown up with other animals who had an adverse reaction?
    Do you know what homeopathic method I could try to help her get this vaccine out of her system?
    Would appreciate any advice you can give me.
    Sincerely,
    Rose Parmelee

  72. Jan Says:

    Rose, vomiting, fever, sluggishness and lack of appetite are typical symptoms of a rabies vaccine reaction. A single raised sore may or may not be related, but several serious skin diseases are linked to the vaccine. Go to my rabies information page http://www.truth4dogs.org and click on the two hyperlinks where it says Skin disease Ischemic Dermatopathy / Cutaneous vasculitis.

    The homeopathic remedy, which is actually a nosode, is Lyssin. However, she may need another remedy to deal with the skin problem. The homeopath I use, who is not a vet but treats humans and animals and also teaches homeopathy, is Willow Tipton. She does phone consults for 45 minutes, and sends you the appropriate remedy, for $70. She treats me and my dog Jiggy and has helped us immeasurably. Her phone is 858 -793-1104. http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php I also know vets who do phone consults. Let me know how you want to proceed. You can find a list of appropriate vets at my web page http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet. See the upper right of the page.

    I know you reported the reaction to your vet, but make sure you update the vet on any additional symptoms and get a copy of your dog’s file. You are going to want to try to get an exemption when the shot is due again. And beware other shots of any kind. Read my articles at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots toes learn more about how to safely avoid shots.

    Act on this as soon as you can. The sooner you treat, the more likely a good outcome.,
    .

  73. Rose Parmelee Says:

    Thanks for the info. I am calling a homeopathic vet I got from your website as soon as they open. Took my dog to the vet who administered vaccine yesterday. He found a fly larvae in the sore on her stomach, and attributed all of her itching to this. Still saying throwing up, not eating could have just been a nervous dog issue. She had her worst night ever last night. Throwing up, frantic scratching—neither one of us slept. HOPE this homeopathic vet can give her (and me) some relief.
    I’m contacting Pfizer (vaccine manufacturer) today to see what they say.
    Do these dogs normally recover?

  74. Jan Says:

    Rose, I’m delighted you have a found a vet in your area. Waiting lists can be long. Be sure to press them to get in asap. If you can’t get in for a while, I’d try Willow. Continued vomiting is dehydrating, which can lead to more problems. And your dog is clearly in agony, poor thing. Did your vet give you any ointment to help with the itching?

    As to the “nervous dog issue,” I find that hard to believe. Your dog is sick! It’s my experience that vets just don’t like to believe that shots cause reactions. I think they worry they’ll be blamed because they gave the shot. Don’t forget to get a copy of your dog’s file!

    As to recovery, it’s hard to know. I’m not a vet. But you’re acting quickly and that’s what’s important. All you can do is the best you can do. Keep in touch.

  75. Christine Sanchez Says:

    I am trying to get an exemtion for the rabies vaccine for my dog. My dog five days from recieving the shot came down with the following symtoms: stop eating,drinking,diarrhea and pain in hind legs. At the time my vet told me my dog had a allergic reaction to the shot but now will not provide a letter for exemption. I am being forced my animal control to get the shot again.

  76. Jan Says:

    Christine, you need a new vet. It is unethical to vaccinate a dog that has previously had a reaction to the same shot and even worse that the vet won’t even try to get an exemption. It is also against manufacturer’s instructions. (Call the manufacturer of the vaccine in question and ask if they advise your giving the shot to the dog. They won’t. Maybe you can use this for ammunition.)

    Ask politely for a copy of your dog’s file and find out the brand of vaccine your dog received. After you have the file in hand, ask if the vet will treat any reaction or long-term health problem at no charge since he/she thinks it’s safe to vaccinate. My guess is that the vet will immediately refuse. That said, some areas don’t allow exemptions. Find out.

    If your vet recorded the reaction in your dog’s file, you can take the copy of the file to another vet. A holistic vet is most likely to understand the danger and help.

    If you have to get the shot, heaven forbid, read my comment #72 at the bottom of the page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/06/18/20/#more-20 You can find a homeopath there who can help if you can’t find a holistic vet near you.

    After the shot, do not leave the vet’s office for at least an hour. Stay in the area as long as possible, and watch the dog carefully for 24 hours. Make sure your dog gets the remedy Lyssin as soon as possible.

    I wish you good luck.

  77. Sabra Says:

    Back in 2002 my little brother started having grandma seizures after getting his 4th grade vaccinations. My childern have vaccination exemption papers. I will not get vaccinations for any of my animals. One of my dogs bit someone, the police took him. I am trying to find someone to help me get him back and find exemption papers for all my animals. I hope you can help me, i only have tilll the 20th of this month after that they will put him to sleep. Thanks for your time.

  78. Jan Says:

    Sabra, that’s horrible.

    A am not an Animal Control expert, but it is my understanding that the only reason they would put the dog to sleep, after keeping them through the quarantine period, is if the dog has rabies. Generally, they hold the dog and if it doesn’t develop symptoms, they vaccinate and release. That’s the reason for the holding period. Make sure you understand what they told you and that they explain why they would put down a healthy dog. That said, there may be some law in your area regarding destroying biting dogs, rabid or not. But if that’s the case, why not do it immediately?

    Re getting exemptions, only a local vet who is willing to say that a dog has health problems precluding vaccination can apply for the exemption. Then it’s up to the Animal Control Board to allow the exemption or not. The exemption period my last from 1-3 years, and occasionally is permitted for the dog’s lifetime. You will still have to pay the license fee.

    If your local area doesn’t allow exemptions, try to change their minds, even change the law. If a dog isn’t healthy, vaccine manufacturers say not to vaccinate them. Read their product insert. For one thing, the vaccine may not “take.” Read my article Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/

    If you have to vaccinate your dog, have a holistic vet with experience in homeopathy do it. They will want to give the remedy Lyssin with the shot. If you can’t find a holistic vet, I can recommend a homeopath who can send you the remedy and tell you how to use it. (See comment #72 for details.)

    Unfortunately, just wanting to avoid vaccination isn’t enough to get an exemption. I wish it were. You need a valid medical reason with a paper trail. The problem is that the shot is required by law to protect people from dog bites. To do that, they have to also protect the dog.

  79. Heather and Jesse Says:

    Hi Jan Rasmusen, Chiclet, and Jiggy!,

    I have written to you before through YouTube (User: JustJesse197), and I had a few more questions about the Rabies Vaccine.

    If a dog that has had a reaction in the past (a lump at the injection site that lasted for a few months, and possibly allergies from the shot), was vaccinated for Rabies, and was given Thuja prior to the shot, would that lessen the chance of a reaction?

    I am currently looking around for a holistic vet for my Jack Russell Terrier Jesse, and have found a few, but am still doing some research. I got the veterinary record for Jesse, and on the same day he got the Rabies Vaccine, he also received a vaccine for a Killed Canine Coronavirus, and a Modified Live Virus vaccine that included: Canine Distemper-Adrenovirus Type2- Parainfluenza-Parvovirus.

    At the time, I knew very little about vaccines and vaccination protocols, and religiously followed the advice of the vet without question. Since then, I have been doing a lot of research and would never give him the multiple shots, or even more than one shot at a time. Is it possible that he had a reaction to one of the other shots, because they were given in conjunction with the Rabies?

    In his file, it says he is allergic to V4x. Do you have any idea what this is? Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

  80. Jan Says:

    Hi Heather. if your dog had a documented lump for a long time, and developed allergies thereafter, you may be able to find a vet who will apply for an exemption. In some cases, a strong titer test result will help, but ask the vet how that works in your area. Titer tests for rabies are expensive.

    The homeopathic remedy you want is not Thuja, which is for other shots. It is Lyssin, which is technically a nosode. Yes, it will help with the side effects, but you can’t be sure it will work perfectly. Not giving the shot is better.

    He is allergic to V4x? Never heard of it. I’d venture a guess that it says “vax,” which is shorthand for vaccine. A’s and 4′s loo similar. If it says the dog is allergic to vaccines, that should help you get an exemption. Have your vet verify what it says. Also note when he wrote it. Before the shot? Or after?

    Your dog did get a bunch of shots he shouldn’t have, but you already know that. Yes, the combo shots alone could have done it and shouldn’t have been given with the rabies shot. You’re probably done with shots. Do titer testing instead for parvo and distemper. Read my Truth4Dogs.com article on this.

    If you can’t find a good vet and want to learn more about homeopathy, take a look at post #72 after my rabies post.

    I hope this helps.

  81. Heather and Jesse Says:

    Hi Jan Rasmusen, Chiclet, and Jiggy!,
    Thank you SO much for your wonderful information. I will definately find a good vet, and apply for an exemption. I will also ask my current vet what the V4x means and when she wrote it. Thank you again for replying so fast =)

  82. Rose Parmelee Says:

    Just an update. The homeopathic vet found my dog toxic from the recent vaccines. Has given her 2 supplements for her liver and to detoxify her, and 2 supplements that stopped the frantic itching the same day of administering. She was wanting to sleep for a couple of days (which is understandable with what her little body has gone through) but I believe she’ll be fine. I will not give her vaccines again. Thanks for your help and info. on a homeopathic vet in my area. I think the medical profession for both humans and animals has lost the ability to see true healing in the body, and know only one source of medicine anymore—pharmaceuticals. Thanks again!
    Rose

  83. Laura (posted from an email sent to Jan) Says:

    Hi, My name is Laura and I own a Jack Russell Terrier/Chihuahua mix. Her actual age is not known but the vet says she is over a year old. She recently received her rabies shot (June 09). My daughter had her out for a walk and her rabies tag (along with other tags) came up missing. Am I going to have to re-vaccinate her for a new tag and is that safe? Thanks for your help.

  84. Jan Says:

    Hi Laura. I’m relatively sure you won’t have to revaccinate after losing your dog’s tags. And no, it is not safe. It would be asking for an adverse reaction. Don’t do it!

    Contact your vet and tell her/him what happened. They should be able to apply for another tag. They should have a copy of the paperwork in their files, and should have sent you a copy, too.

    You can also contact Animal Control in your area. They’ll have paperwork showing your dog was vaccinated and that you received your tags. They may charge you something, but anything is better than getting another shot this soon.

    Hope this helps.

  85. Lisa Morawetz Says:

    On 07/02/09 my 4 year-old toy poodle Tyson was given his rabies vaccination. Pretty much as soon as we got home, he was lethargic. He did not want to eat, play or interact with anyone. The site of the injection was also so painful for him, we could not pick him up without him crying in pain. He had a hard time sitting down and laying on the side. I called the vet. They said that side affects weren’t very common, but if he got worse to bring him in. He did get better, and eventually returned to his old self, but it took about three weeks.
    Now we have a new problem. The site of the injection has turned dark, and the hair is falling out. It looks awful, I thought at first he had skin cancer or had gotten burned, but after looking up other poodle reactions to rabies shot, I now know what it is. Thankfully it does not hurt him, poor thing, I thought he get dirty, and tried scrubbing it clean! Will this be permanent? I certainly hope not, if so, I will let everyone know what happened, and why I will NOT allow him to be given the rabies injection again, even though I will not be able to licence him in California. How can I do that to him again, put him through that? I am just sorry I let it happen this time.

  86. Jan Says:

    Hi Lisa. Three things you must do: 1) report everything to your vet and make sure every reaction is recorded in your dog’s file. 2) Get a copy of the file. You will need it to apply for an exemption. Put it in a safe place. This is the only legal way you can not vaccinate. Make sure you do this! 3) Finally, go to comment #72 at the bottom of the page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/06/18/20/#more-20 Your dog needs a homeopathic remedy called Lyssin. Do this as soon as possible.

    One more thing: tell your friends!

  87. Judy Says:

    My 10 year old doxie, Toby, has Cushing’s disease, (hyperadrenocorticism) and has been on Trilostane for almost 2 years. His symptoms have diminshed and he had been pretty normal. 3 months ago he was diagnosed as hypothyroid and is now taking levothyroxine as well. About a month ago we noticed his behavior changing….restlessness, lethargy but aggressiveness toward our other 10 year old doxie. Since it was time to check his thyroid, we felt he should have another ACTH stim test to check his cortisol level as well. When we got to the vet’s office they told us it was time for his rabies vaccine. I specifically ask if it was ok to give him the rabies shot AND do the ACTH stim test the same day and was told it was fine. No one said anything about NOT giving the vaccine to a “compromised” dog. It’s been a week and he is obviously in some kind of pain. Walks very slow, won’t jump up or off the sofa and yelps once in awhile. After reading everything on these pages, I’m sure he is having a reaction to the rabies vaccine. I’m SO upset with my vet.

  88. Jan Says:

    Judy, I, too, am upset with your vet. That vet is ignorant, unthinking and maybe greedy to boot. No vet who understands immunology would ever vaccinate a dog who has Cushings and hypothyroidism absent a rabies epidemic and unless your dog runs wild. I’m not a vet, but anyone with a passing acquaintance with the possible adverse effects of the rabies vaccine would know this.

    It’s likely that shots caused the health problems to begin with. Did your vet tell you that? I hope you’ll read Dr. Dodd’s article about adverse reactions. She’s the top expert in thyroid disorders and vaccinosis. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/08/06/treating-adverse-vaccine-reactions-by-jean-dodds-dvm/ Google “Jean Dodds and thyroid” and you’ll find other articles. For more on adverse reactions, see my rabies information page at http://www.truth4dogs.org

    Not only is it extremely dangerous to vaccinate such an ill dog, it’s unlikely your dog can even mount an immune response, so you may think the dog is protected but who knows if he is? Thus, your vet may have endangered public health. Did you read my article on Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets? http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/ Even vaccine manufacturers say to vaccinate only HEALTHY pets. Your vet should have known better. Call the vaccine manufacturer and ask them if they recommend vaccinating dogs in your condition.

    If you haven’t already reported your dog’s reaction to your vet, do so immediately. NOW. You need documentation so you can apply for an exemption next time the shot is due and in case you take action against the vet. Write up the reactions in detail and fax them to your vet. Tell them you want a copy of the file. Be very nice. Then find another vet.

    You need a holistic vet to treat the damage from the shot. Find one at my Find a Vet page: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet A “regular” vet won’t know how to proceed. You need someone who understands homeopathy. A brilliant vet who consults by phone and works with difficult cases in Dr. Kruesi. http://www.crvetcenter.com He treats my dog Jiggy’s autoimmune disease. He’ll work with you or another vet.

    Once the crisis has past — and this is a crisis that needs medical intervention ASAP — report your vet to your veterinary board. He had a legal duty to warn you that vaccinating your dog could provoke an adverse reaction and even make the Cushings and hypothyroidism worse. If he had fully explained the situation, I’m sure you wouldn’t have done it. This is a violation of the doctrine of informed consent. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vaccination-informed-consent If you don’t report this dangerous vet, he’ll continue harming animals. We have to stop this disregard for our pet’s lives. I’d also send the vet a bill for any subsequent treatment and go to small claims court if necessary.

    Being upset isn’t enough. Your dog and the other dogs at this clinic are counting on you.

    One last thing: it is possible that your state doesn’t allow exemptions for the rabies vaccine for dogs in poor health, but even in that case, your vet should have tried to get an exemption or should at least explained the situation to you. You deserved full information before proceeding.

  89. susan goddard Says:

    HI, Maybe you can help me – I’m confused. I had my Portuguese Water Dog vaccinated for Rabies at 6 months and he was given a 1 year shot – After finding out that the 1year and 3year shot were essentially the same thing I had a holistic vet write a letter essentially saying the dog was protected. He is due for a booster so I had a Rabies titer done. The results came back LOW 1: 25… With a nice disclaimer saying protective numbers haven’t been established in dogs… So my question. Is that true? Should I get him a booster shot? We are in Colorado and he is with me 98% of the time.. We go to off-leash parks where there are coyotes, foxes, etc. and go hiking in the mountains sometimes. Any advice?
    Thanks in advance,
    Susan & Bodhi

  90. Jan Says:

    Hi Susan, I sent your question about interpreting the rabies vaccine titer test to one of America’s top experts on the rabies vaccine, Dr. Jean Dodds. In addition to volunteering her services, along with Dr. Ron Schultz, to prove that the rabies vaccine actually lasts seven years or longer (see the Rabies Challenge Fund), she does titer testing at http://www.hemopet.com. Dr. Dodds wrote:

    Dear Jan: I wish we had received the sample, because our report would have clarified that 1:25 — if done by RFFIT method at KSU — is NOT low. Any titer of 1:5 or higher by this method is considered adequate by the CDC to protect a human against rabies and is extrapolated from there to animals. IF it was measured by FAVN [NOT the titer method for USA — it only applies to export — rabies-free counties including Hawaii require 0.50 IU/mL — a 1:25 titer is 0.25 IU/mL.

    So, your sample was strong. (Learn more about titer testing at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/)

    That said, you’re probably going to be required by law to get the second shot. I’m surprised the vet didn’t tell you that before you paid for the titer test — unless you’re applying for a health exemption. You usually have to get a shot at 4-6 months and another a year later. Check the law in your area.

    Many states, including Colorado, allow exemptions for ill health. AnimalLaw says: “A veterinarian, with the written consent of an animal’s owner, may issue a written waiver pursuant to the rules of the health department, exempting an animal from a rabies vaccination order if the veterinarian, in his or her professional opinion, determines that the rabies inoculation is contraindicated due to the animal’s medical condition.” http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuscost25_4_601_615.htm

    To learn about the rabies law in any given state, go to http://www.animallaw.info/ To find local requirements for shots, contact Animal Control in your area. In general, the law is every three years in all states, but some local areas require more frequent vaccination. Why? It’s all about money. The three-year vaccine is guaranteed by manufacturers for three years. As you’ve learned, the one-year rabies vaccine is the same as the three-year (it’s just relabeled) but legally doesn’t give protection for more than a year. Makes a lot of sense, huh?

  91. Michelle Lavalette Says:

    I had my am. bulldog vaccinated when he was 6~8 months. he developed a sore on his back at the injection site. it was the diameter of a nickle and raised about 3/4″ off his back. it lasted for 2 months before it fell off. My question is around the safety of that to humans. My mother is allergic to eggs, and therefore can not have any vaccination shots or the rabies shot for humans. she was told by an old doctor of hers not to go near anyone/thing that had a scab from a reaction. is this enough to get my dog out of having his 3year? the vet is pestering me that it is due, and i have to take him in for another allergic reaction that caused a rash. i’m afraid to have the bulldog have another reaction and have that cause harm to my mother

  92. Jan Says:

    Hi Michelle. That’s a question I haven’t heard before. I doubt that your mother’s reaction to a scab that may not even form would be justification for an exemption. But your dog’s previous reaction might be. (Also, I don’t think there’s egg in every shot. Check with the manufacturer.)

    If you can document that your dog developed the scab and sore after a previous rabies shot, a vet may write an exemption letter for you. Clearly that’s not a normal response. Some vaccination site lumps develop into tumors, so they’re nothing to ignore. If your vet won’t help, another might. See the referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    If you have to get the shot, wait until your dog is healthy. You shouldn’t vaccinate a dog having an allergic response. See my article on vaccinating unhealthy dogs. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/ You need a healthy immune system, not one over-reacting, to get immunity from a shot.

    I hope this helps some.

  93. Melva Kishpaugh Says:

    Hi Jan,
    My toy poodle, Ginger, has had two episodes of Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis (HGE) within 10-14 days post 3-yr. rabies shots both times that she has had the vaccine during her lifetime (she is 10). She is due again this month. I spoke with my vet about the issue and my concerns. He advised Benadryl prior to the vaccine. (By the way, he is NOT the vet who originally gave her the vaccines and is not familiar w/my dog since he and another vet bought the practice upon my former vet’s retirement.) I was unaware until finding this site that there are common issues with the vaccine, and I also was not aware that the same dosage is given to a 7# poodle that is also given to a 120# Great Dane! I am unwilling to subject my dog to the near death experience of the HGE again. Would you suggest the titer testing instead, in this case?
    Thank you for an informative website and your advice in advance.

  94. Jan Says:

    Hi Melva. If your dog has had a previous reaction to the rabies shot, you need to do two things: 1) See if your state allows exemptions from rabies vaccination for dogs with health problems. Most do. You may find the law here: http://www.animallaw.info/ Otherwise, ask your vet or call your local Animal Control board.

    If your area allows exemptions, then 2), get your dog’s records showing the reactions and the health problem. The vet who bought the practice should have these records in storage. Once you have documentation of a past reaction, and/or a current health problem, ask your vet to apply to Animal Control for an exemption. If he won’t, ask him if he’ll treat your dog for free for any reaction to the shot and will guarantee success. (He won’t.) In that case, dump him and tell him why. (See below.) Go to http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet and find a holistic vet in the referral list.

    It is unethical, and against manufacturer’s instructions, to vaccinate an unhealthy dog or a dog who has reacted badly to a vaccine in the past. Giving a shot of Benadryl will only help with a mild allergic reaction. It is, in my opinion, lazy medicine and shows your vet does not understand immunology. He’s suggesting suppressing the immune system — but a shot doesn’t give immunity if the immune system malfunctions. Please read this article: Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/

    You might contact a few rabies vaccine manufacturers, especially the one that makes your vet’s brand, and ask them what they think about vaccinating your dog. (Google “canine rabies vaccine” to find companies.) If possible, ask your question by email, in as much detail as possible, so you can get a written response. Also, ask them to send you the vaccine’s “package insert” which explains warnings about the shot. You might also be able to find it on-line or can get it from your vet.

    You probably needn’t get a titer test. It won’t be accepted by Animal Control in lieu of a shot.

    If your area doesn’t allow health exemptions, change the law. Go to the media. Show Animal Control your documentation and tell them about other states’s laws. Massachusetts is changing their law right now.

    Do everything you can to avoid the shot. If you run out of options, find a vet skilled in homeopathy to give the shot. In fact, I’d keep talking to vets until you find one who will help you.

  95. Nancy Summers Says:

    My husband and I have always had Yellow Labrador Retrievers. We make sure we get our boys from an excellent breeder. We got Yogi in 2000 and his brother Kai in 2001. Both were in excellent health and we our very careful about what they eat and are very careful when it comes to the vaccines. We moved to the wood and decided Yogi hadn’t had a rabies shot in three years and that we should get him one with the wildlife here. Our boys were never unattended. If they were outside so were we. We got Yogi a rabies shot on Thrusday Aug.6th and on Monday the 10th he was still fine. He went outside happy as could be ate dinner and had a treat, then fell over dead. It was like a cardiac arrest. He was only eight years old and healthy. I’m not sure if the rabies shot had any thing to do with his death or not. But I don’t think Kai will get one.

  96. Jan Says:

    Hi Nancy. What a horrible, sad, sad, sad story.

    I wish I could say that death was a rare side effect of the rabies vaccine, but it is not. Here are the statistics from Dr. Jean Dodd’s article on vaccination side effects posted on the Truth4Dogs.com blog: The following clinical terms were listed “to describe possibly related adverse events in dogs vaccinated against rabies “ and reported to the USDA/CVB between April 1, 2004-March 31, 2007. For 217 adverse event reports – the clinical term is followed by the % of dogs affected: Vomiting-28.1%; facial swelling-26.3%; injection site swelling or lump-19.4%; lethargy-12%; urticaria-10.1%; circulatory shock-8.3%; injection site pain-7.4%; pruritus-7.4%; injection site alopecia or hair loss-6.9%; death-5.5%; lack of consciousness-5.5; diarrhea-4.6%; hypersensitivity (not specified)-4.6%; fever-4.1%;, anaphylaxis-2.8%; ataxia-2.8%; lameness-2.8%; general signs of pain-2.3%; hyperactivity-2.3%; injection site scab or crust-2.3%;, muscle tremor-2.3%; tachycardia-2.3%; and thrombocytopenia-2.3%.

    I know that’s no comfort. There is one thing you should know to protect your other dog. If a dog has an adverse reaction to vaccination, a close relative may also have a reaction. Be very careful with Kai.

  97. Barbara Mallory Says:

    My Akita was given two-3 yr rabies vaccines (accidentally) in the same year and immediately began having seizures after the second shot. I had her titered three years later and was told she had ove 700 times more antibodies than she needed! Now, two years later I have just had her tested again ( by a different vet) and the results were 1:245 . Her previous test was 1:700 My questions is: is there some place that I can find a more complete explantion of these results and what they mean?

  98. Jan Says:

    Hi Barbara. 1) The top expert on rabies titer testing (she does tests, is a rabies vaccine expert and is co-founder of the Rabies Challenge Fund) is Dr. Jean Dodds. You can reach her at http://www.hemopet.com. If you contact her, please let me know what she says.

    2) I’m curious about why you’re testing titers. Is your dog at danger of contracting rabies? Are you using it to get an exemption from the rabies shot in the future (which you definitely should be doing, but a titer test may not help)? Giving your dog another rabies shot, or any shot for that matter, could be extremely dangerous. Please read my article on Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/

    3) You should see a vet skilled in homeopathy to help clear the rabies vaccinosis. Check out the referral list at my Find a Vet page: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet If you can’t find someone near you, let me know and I’ll give you the name of my homeopath who consults by phone.

    Jan

  99. Toni Says:

    In August I took my 3 year old Miniature Dachshund in for her rabies shot. After she was throwing up and had diarrhea. I called the vet and they said it was normal. He was eating ok, and playing, however she was still throwing up now and then. Yesterday, about 5 weeks later I notice she was looking depressed and not being herself so I took her back to the vet. The said she has IMHA and might not make it through the week. I wanted to know if the 2 are connected. She has never been sick before, and now we might lose her. I just need answers.

  100. Jan Says:

    Toni, I’m so sorry for you and your dog. Yes, IMHA may well be a reaction to the rabies shot. Read the article on Treating Adverse Reactions by renowned expert Dr. Jean Dodds. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/08/06/treating-adverse-vaccine-reactions-by-jean-dodds-dvm/ Do a web search on IMHA and also AIHA — they’re the same thing. There’s a short article called Known causes of immune mediated hemolytic anemia (IMHA) at http://www.vetinfo.com/dimha.html that you might read.

    I’m writing an article which I’ll post on Tuesday about how multiple vaccines at once increase the risk of a reaction to vaccines. The dogs affected most are Dachshunds. I don’t know if your dog got any other shot other than rabies.

    I wish I could help more. Take care.

  101. charlie Says:

    I know of two Hungarian breeders , now living in Wales in the UK well puppy farmers who import and use rabies vaccine and all other canine vaccine on their dogs, these two are unqualified to treat animals and havent got a clue about dog health. They are also using antibiotics, and loads of other veterinary medicines .

    they breed continually their dogs who are pee stained its a disgrace.
    They also use electric shock collars on dogs and wire muzzles….

  102. Virginia Says:

    In this area there has been an outbreak of rabies, mt. lions, skunks, a horse a cow. They are pushing everyone to vaccinate all animals, I have a very old Yorkie (15 years) and a very small Yorkie (2 lbs.) can a half dose be given to the smaller? I have opted to not vaccinate the old girl, she is blind and most likely in liver & kidney failure but is still eating, drinking and going out to go to the bathroom so…………

  103. Jan Says:

    Virginia, it’s not legal to give half a dose of the rabies vaccine. You can give a small dose of the other vaccines. I’ll be writing about that this week. You might subscribe to my blog if you haven’t already. http://feeds.feedburner.com/Truth4dogs

    Here’s the big question: Why would you vaccinate? The risk of a vaccine reaction is huge, whereas the risk of your dog getting rabies is probably nil. If either dog were bitten by a rabid animal, they would likely be killed on the spot. Of course, this is a determination you have to make.

    Has either dog been vaccinated in the past three years? If so, they’re protected and “legal” in most places. If not, you can test titers and determine immunity. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/

    Have you read my new article about the special risks of vaccinating small dogs? Please do. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/ I’d be very afraid for both your aging dog and the tiny one.

    If you have to vaccinate by law, make sure you have it done by a holistic vet trained in homeopathy. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet There’s a homeopathic remedy you can give with the shot. It’s no guarantee, but would help.

  104. Maryann Ostermeyer Says:

    Last week I took my two 6 month old poodle puppies for their rabies shot. What a horrible mistake. About a half an hour after the shot, they became horribly nauseated and started throwing up. They could not stop throwing up. I rushed them to the vets and they gave the Benedryl/Prednisolone treatment. I took them home and they were sick all day. They were limp and dazed. That evening, when I saw the papers that I had put down for them in the bathroom, I saw blood in the urine. My vet thinks they may have become severely dehydrated from the shots. A week later and my two girls are still ill from the shot. Never again. The next shot could kill them. I also own the brother and am concerned because he has not had the rabies shot yet. What do I do about his shot? My vet said he could not be exempted because he had not had any reaction because he has not had the shot yet. Boy, what a mess.
    Maryann

  105. Jan Says:

    Hi Maryann. If your dogs were dehydrated, it was probably from throwing up. Your dogs need some homeopathic therapy to avoid long-term damage from the shot– which is significant if they go untreated. Anything you spend on treatment now could save you a fortune in the long run.

    The best thing to do is to go to a homeopathy-trained vet. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet You need to “clear” the vaccine from your dogs. This vet will also be more likely to understand the family relationship and the danger to your other dog. He/she may get you a medical exemption for the other dog, and or lessen the damage if you have to vaccinate. If you can’t do that, the easiest, cheapest thing to do is to contact Marina at naturalrearing.com. She sells the remedy Lyssin and can tell you how to use it. This is important. Don’t just hope your dogs get better and that your other dog will be fine.

    Nationally-respected pet vaccine expert Dr. Jean Dodds has written an article here at Truth4Dogs.com. Treating Adverse Reactions She has written: “Certain breeds or families of dogs appear to be more susceptible to adverse vaccine reactions, particularly post-vaccinal seizures, high fevers, and painful episodes of hypertrophic osteodystrophy (HOD). Therefore, we have the responsibility to advise companion animal breeders and caregivers of the potential for genetically susceptible littermates and relatives to be at increased risk for similar adverse vaccine reactions. In popular (or rare) inbred and linebred animals, the breed in general can be at increased risk as illustrated in the examples below.” She has also written: “Littermates of affected puppies should be closely monitored after receiving additional vaccines in a puppy series, as they too are at higher risk.” You might print out the article for the vet, although a holistic vet will be very familiar with Jean’s work.

    Your 6 month old pups should be finished with shots, likely for life. Make sure your dogs’ reactions are well-documented, in every detail, in their files. Make sure the vet notes that the health problems were caused by the rabies shot. Get a copy of the files a put it in a safe place. In three years, you’ll need to apply for a medical exemption to vaccination. Learn more about the rabies vaccine at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs Since you don’t know which ingredient in the shot your dogs were allergic to, you don’t know if ANY shot will be safe. Two weeks or more after they’ve had vaccinations, you need to have their antibody titers tested to make sure the have immunity from parvo and distemper. If they are immune, no more shots. If not, you’ll have some decisions to make. You give this test only once; your vet can do it or can draw blood which you can send to Dr. Dodds for testing. Her prices are really good. http://www.hemopet.org/files/Test%20Request%20Form%202009%2009%2001%20newaddress.pdf There are instructions at the end of the page at http://www.hemopet.org/services.html

    Here are some articles I hope you’ll read, all at Truth4Dogs.com: Protecting Dogs From Vaccine Reactions, Vaccinating Small Dogs, and Titer Testing.

    I hope this is helpful and wish you the best of luck.

  106. Robin Fickle Says:

    My question: Could this be a drug interaction…and if so, is there anything more that I can do at this point in time now?It is now five days since my dog had her rabies shot.
    Unfortuantely we were never told that it is inadvisable to give heartworm or frontline around the time that our dog was given a rabies vaccination. On Thursday our Cavalier received heartworm medication. On Saturday she was given a rabies shot. On Tuesday my husband applied Frontline flea medication. At noontime our dog vomited. I found her lying on her side on the floor, unresponsive when I called her. Her eyes were open and not blinking. I paniced realizing that she could be dying, threw her into the car to get to the vet. By the time we got there she was sitting up and looked rather normal. And given the fact that the vet’s office was most unhelpful given the circumastances ( a long story…needless to say I am looking for another vet) I took her home. For two days she was very lethargic. She is now reasonably back to normal. However, i am still concerned.
    I am thinking that this was a drug interaction. Should she have received an IV to clean out her system? Is there anything else I should do at this point.
    Thanks for advise.

  107. Jan Says:

    Robin, I’m very sorry you didn’t go into see the vet. You need a record of your dog’s reaction so you can apply for an exemption when the shot is due again. It’s still not too late to report it. Do so in detail. Send them a letter if you like and make sure it is posted in your dog’s file. Then get a copy of the comment in the file. Make sure they note a reaction to any of the three chemicals. I would also contact all the drug manufacturers involved. I will publish an article on reporting reactions soon. (See sure to subscribe to Truth4Dogs.com blog.)

    Your dog got an awful lot of chemicals at once, but any one of them (or any combination) could have caused the reaction.

    I don’t know where you live, but it’s unlikely your dog even needs heartworm meds in the fall/winter season. Heartworms can’t develop and infect a dog when temperatures remain below 57 degrees at any time of day. Please read this article: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/05/13/heartworm-medication-safety/ Read about possible reactions to heartworm meds, and alternatives for prevention, at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/06/16/heartworm-preventative-options/#more-396

    Another article I’d like you to read regards special vaccinations risks for small and medium size dogs. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/

    Re finding another vet: yes! Find referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Also, I think you need to see a homeopath. Find a list of homeopathy trained vets on that page or at least see a homeopath to have the vaccine “cleared” from your dog’s system. I can send you information on two sources if you’re interested. It’s not very expensive and can save you a fortune in possible vet bills in the future.

  108. Lee Anne (posted by Jan from email) Says:

    I had to take two of my miniature dachshunds in for their 3 year Rabies booster. I drug my feet for several months because Greyson (6 year old lh male – weight 10.8 lbs) had a swollen face reaction at the time of his last vaccination in 2006. In July of 2006, I had to rush him back to the vet that administered it and they were able to give him an antihistamine injection and send us home with two different kinds of meds. I have a new vet now and asked her to review his record and write me an exemption for him. I was really afraid of what would happen.

    She said she hadn’t seen the reaction and I had to go through my prior vet. The guy had a horrible bedside manner and was very condescending and that’s why I don’t go to him any more. So… I gave my boy benedryl and notified the vet staff when we got there yesterday that I expected him to react. They gave him an antihistamine injection and the rabies shot and asked us to wait for 30 minutes in the waiting room. 20 minutes after the shot, he started to urinate and try to crawl into my lap. I realized he was going into anaphylactic shock and I scooped him up, just as he lost consciousness. I ran over to the counter and they rushed him into the back. They were able to revive him and give him steroids, iv, oxygen – etc. An hour later – they let us go home. He vomited 3 times in the car ride and twice more after we got home.

    The second dog – Rowdie (4 year old wh female – weight 7.6 lbs) – has a history of allergic reactions to fleas and bug bites and has gone into anaphylactic shock before (over a bug bite). I also gave her benedryl and they gave her the antihistamine shot. She puked while we were waiting for Greyson to recover, but the hell from her reaction was just slowly building and just beginning. They examined her once more before we left and sent us home.

    Once I got them home (20 miles away) I noticed her shaking her head every 40 – 60 seconds and she kept fidgeting. Like she wanted to crawl out of her skin. I called the vet and they asked me to give her .25 mg of a prednisone that I had leftover, in addition to the benedryl she had had 15 minutes prior.

    by 3:30 pm she was practically sprinting from one dog bed to the other, whining in agony, scratching and biting like she had fleas. I scooped her up, looked at her belly and inside her ears – They were covered in hives! I put both dogs back in the car and drove back to the vet. They kept her an hour and even though the hives were going down, she vomited twice. They gave her an IV with more steroid, kept her another hour, and then sent us home around 6:30 pm. They asked me to give both dogs benedryl every 6 – 8 hours.

    Last night Greyson just slept and was just very tired. Rowdie was anxious, itchy, restless – all night. She would get up every so often to vomit – 5 times by 2:00 am. By 3:45 am, I was able to get her to hold down her benedryl and held her in my arms. We both finally got some sleep.

    Today, they are both drugged and exhausted – but resting.

    I’m terrified for the future. I don’t know what to do to keep this nightmare from happening again in three years – besides breaking the law (which I’m commited to doing at this point.) I feel like I should be able to call this to someones attention. This needs to stop happening! The vet? The county? The manufacturer of the drug? Do you have any course of action I could take?

  109. Joel (from email to Jan) Says:

    I just acquired a rescue dog, her paper work showed 2 rabies vaccinations 9-25-09 another cert. 10-6-09 They were at different vets and in different states.

    My problem is when I took her in for a check up, I was also very concerned about the double dose. My vet was also concerned about any side effects, she called the drug mfg, they told her the second injection nilled them both, and would need another rabies injection.

    I told her no way………

    My vet is going to research this and get back to me. I will not let my dog be some medical experiment.

  110. Jan Says:

    Joel, two rabies shots so close together is dangerous.

    I wonder who your vet talked to at the drug company. Call the mfg yourself and ask to speak to one of their vets or researchers. Call both Merial and Fort Dodge.

    If you don’t get your answer there, know that THE expert in the field is Dr. Jean Hofve. Contact her, or have your vet do it, at http://www.hemopet.org. Nothing short of being held at gun point would make me give MY dog a third shot.

    If you need proof that immunity “took,” your vet can run a titer test to test to see if your dog’s blood shows antibodies to rabies. I’m surprised she didn’t suggest it. (Not a good sign.) If the test shows immunity, your dog is protected. You should already have a certificate from one of the shots. Have your vet draw the blood and send it to Hemopet. Their prices are great, and as I said, Dr. Dodds is the top expert.

    Good for you for advocating for your dog. Please, let me know what you learn so I can pass the information along. Please also check my article on Eliminating Unnecessary Shots if your vet wants to vaccinate for anything else.

  111. Jan Says:

    Lee Anne, first, make sure your dogs’ reactions were noted in great detail in their files. Get copies of the report. Have your vet sign them. Put them in a very safe place. Don’t let another vet put your dog at risk because they didn’t personally see the reaction.

    Next, ask your vet if your state/locality give exemptions for at-risk dogs like yours. If not, start now getting a law passed. People are doing this in many states. Drug manufacturers themselves say not to vaccinate animals that have previously have bad reactions. This is doubly important for rabies. The shot is unlikely to “take” so the public and you will have false confidence that the dog is “safe” from rabies.

    If your area allows exemption for health reasons, ask your vet to write a letter requesting exemption now. You won’t file it until later, but you may change vets and have a problem later.

    As soon as possible, you need to help your dog deal with the effects of the vaccine. I would suggest you see a homeopathy trained vet. Or at least a homeopath who deals with animals. The homeopath I use, who is not a vet but treats humans and animals and also teaches homeopathy, is Willow Tipton. She does phone consults for 45 minutes, and sends you the appropriate remedy, for $70. Her phone is 858 -793-1104. http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php I also know vets who do phone consults. You can find a list of appropriate vets skilled in homeopathy at my web page http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet. Another option is Marina at naturalrearing.com.

    I personally would be very wary of a vet who thought merely giving Benadryl to a dog with a reaction history was sufficient. Why didn’t she request your dogs’ files from the other vet? Their health histories should have been documented there. Your vet should have advocated for your dog, tried for exemption or at least sent you to a holistic vet who could deal better with the reaction. Of course, that vet probably doesn’t believe in homeopathy. If it were my dogs, I’d find a more informed vet.

    I hope you’ll give what you can to the Rabies Challenge Fund. They’re trying to prove that the rabies vaccine gives immunity for seven years. They are completely funded by people like us.

  112. Jan Says:

    Joel, I put your question to a vet friend who’s well versed in immunology. He responded:

    I have never heard of such an ignorant comment which makes no sense immunologically, and I would have that client ask her/his vet for documentation of what they are talking about which I don’t think that vet will be able to provide.

    The only issue regarding giving vaccinations too close together would be interference of existing PROTECTIVE antibody from allowing the second vaccination to have any effect. Thus the second shot given so close to the other would have no effect and would be antidoted by pre existing protective antibody thus arguing AGAINST more vaccination!!!!

    I told him I had suggested a titer test and he added: Make sure the titer is done at least 3 weeks after the last vaccination to allow times for titers to rise. I would probably wait 4-6 weeks.

  113. Ellen G. Says:

    I recently had my 3lb. 6 oz, 4 month old puppy (Pomeranian mix) get her final shots, including the rabies shot. The vet advised me she would be tired. But during the course of the hours following her vaccination she was completely knocked out! Now she has lost the use of one of her front legs and can’t walk – this started as a slight limp and gradually became complete non use of that leg When I touch it it seems that she has no feeling in that leg. It is completely limp. I will be contacting my vet when his office opens again on Monday as this was done on Saturday. I am horrified as I was never even told there was any risk in a rabies shot for a small dog. Wht can I do?

  114. Jan Says:

    Ellen, if it were my pup, I’d go to an emergency vet right away. Your dog seems to be getting worse. I’m afraid the vet will give your dog a cortisone shot, for lack of knowing what else to do. As soon as possible, you need to get to a homeopathic vet or a skilled homeopath for people who regularly treats animals. Your dog needs Lyssin, a remedy for rabies. This is very important.

    If you can’t find one near you, for $70 you can do a phone consult with the homeopath my dogs and I use. She gives you the remedies you need included in the price. Her name is Willow. She also teaches homeopathy. Phone: 858-793-1104 http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php There’s also a list of vets trained in homeopathy at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    Time is of the essence. The sooner you treat your dog, the more likely a good reaction.

    One more thing: get thorough documentation of the reaction, hour by hour if possible, and make sure it gets into your dog’s file. Then get a signed copy of the file. You need to file for an exemption next time. Also, check out my other articles on vaccinating. Start here: Protecting Dogs From Vaccine Reactions at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/ And make sure you read my article on the special risks of vaccinating small dogs; Poms are particularly at risk. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/

  115. Worried About My Boxer (posted from email to Jan) Says:

    I am having a very hard time getting anyone to take my dogs post rabies shot aggression serious. He is a very mushy 5 year old and I call him the cruise director of my house. Very loving and lazy boy. About 3 or 4 days after the shot he fought with one of my older dogs and then a week later with the other dog. The other dogs are cowering around him and I have to keep a close eye on him.

    I called my vet and they state they have never heard of such a thing and I advised them I have read a lot of articles where this is a side effect of the shot. They advised me to call the drug manufacturer. Which of course they claim there is no proven study to back that “theory” up.

    What can I do?? I have a conference call set up with a homeopathic vet in a few days. I am very worried and I do not want to have to separate him from the others.That would traumatize him. But the others are walking around with their heads down and tales between their legs. What can I do. Help Please.

  116. Jan Says:

    Worried About My Boxer: Aggression is a well-documented reaction to the rabies vaccine. Read more at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs Also read this article by holistic vet Michael Dym about rabies vaccine reactions mimicking infection with rabies. He wrote: “My biggest concern with pets are the changes in behavior after being vaccinated. This is usually along the lines of aggression, suspicion, unusual fears, etc. The essential aspect is a lack of control of impulses.” Read the rest at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies%20vaccinosis.htm You need a vet trained in homeopathy to treat the condition.

  117. Hye Says:

    My dog is 3 years and 4 month puggle. He got rabies in november 2007 and next due is november 2010. But I’ve wondered that it’s ok to have him vaccinated rabies in december 2009 with DHPP and Bordetella shots? If I have him vaccinated rabies this year, when should he get next rabies?

  118. Jan Says:

    Hye, in a word: No! Bordetella is next to useless, and can have lots of side effects. Read about it at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots It’s also likely that your dog doesn’t need vaccinating against the diseases addressed in DHPP. Get a titer test for parvo and distemper instead. It’s a simple blood test. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/ Other articles to read: one about avoiding unnecessary shots http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/ and another about the dangers of vaccinating small dogs. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/

    Re the rabies, don’t ever give it with other shots or worming agents. Once you understand that vaccinating adults dogs is usually more dangerous than not vaccinating, I think you’ll be able to put your mind at ease. I hope you’ll sign up for our free newsletter and this blog to get more information to keep your dog healthy and safe. http://www.dogs4dogs.com It’s free.

  119. Janice Says:

    I tried leaving a comment yesterday, but it did not post. Will you let me know what I need to do to get it posted ?
    Perhaps it was too long of a comment ?
    I did think it would be helpful to others in regards to a rabies shot reaction of a high ALP level 3 months after the shot, as well as a low free t4 thyroid, when prior to the rabies shot in july, the dog had normal levels of everything.
    Please send me a e-mail on how to post.

  120. Janice Says:

    Looks like I can now post.
    Long story short, our 9 yr. old Dalmatian had normal blood counts on July 2009, the same day as we gave him a rabies shot. 3 months later another blood test showed elevated Alk. Phosphatate levels
    of 1200 ish…and extremely low Free t4 Thyroid=Hypothyroid ?
    It seems to me that it is more than “coincidence” that he has potential liver and hypothyroid problems 3 months after the rabies shot. Ultrasound showed a slightly enlarged-rounded off liver with a couple of nodules, so vet put him on 2 antibiotics for 14 days, along with Soloxine for hypothyroid.
    We are 10 days into that treatment and he has no bad symptoms (but never did, other than the bloodtest levels).
    We are so confused and wondering if we should be panicing about the high Alk Phos. levels ? Or, should we leave his body alone to fight off whatever this rabies shot sent into action ?

  121. Margaret Says:

    I took my 18 month old pom to the vet to get a rabies shot and this was the first shot I took her to get since I had her. She got the shot on a Saturday and die the following Saturday. Her illness was so sudden that she died before we could take her to the vet. She had vomiting and diarrhea. She was a happy and healthy dog before we took her to the vet. I thought I was doing the right thing by getting her vaccinated. She got no other shots that day so I know it was the shot that killed her. I was out of town when she died and my husband had to give me the bad news. He called twice to speak to the vet/owner to consult on another pom that also got a rabies shot that day and the girl at the front desk hung up on him.

  122. Jan Says:

    Margaret, that is so tragic. I’m so sorry.

    As soon as you feel up to it, you need to get your dog’s file. You need the vaccine brand and lot # which should be recorded in the file. Then call the vaccine manufacturer. There is a small chance, but a chance nonetheless, that the vaccine was contaminated. At the least, this horrible “adverse reaction” must be reported by the USDA by the manufacturer. (I’d love to know who the manufacturer was.)

    If your vet won’t talk to you, and hasn’t reported the reaction, you should report the vet to your state veterinary board. There’s info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    I hope you’ll become a supporter of the Rabies Challenge Fund. It is our one hope. http://www.rabieschallengefund.org

    I can only imagine your sadness. Take care.

    Try your vet again and ask him

  123. Margaret Says:

    Thanks Jan for the comment. I will look at the print out that they gave me I think it has the lot number. I will check to see if it was contaminated. I plan to write a letter to the vet to see if I get a response that way.

  124. Donna McCarthy Says:

    HELP! My 12-year-old snoodle has had reactions to his rabies shots. These include ijnection-site tumors which had to be surgically removed tbecause they grew so large. NOW I’M FEELING QUITE HELPLESS. Toby now has cogestive heart failure and is on several very powerful medications just to keep him alive. My state of Massachusetts demands that very dog have a rabies shot or they will not issue a license. Well, Toby is due for a shot but I refuse because of his condition. If I do not get the license, they’ll take him away. I’m feeling that the only solution is to move to another state. Does anyone know of an exemption process in Mass?

  125. Jan Says:

    Donna, Massachusetts was considering a bill allowing exemptions for health. You can read about it here. http://aimees-law.blogspot.com/2009/04/update-ma-weighs-bill-to-grand-ragies.html I don’t know what happened with it. Write me privately and I’ll give you some names to contact about it. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/contact

    Hang in there. Laws change because of cases like yours.

  126. kat mushkat Says:

    My Maltese,Wally, just had his second rabies shot at 16 months of age. After having a reaction with his first rabies vaccine at 6 mo. in combination with an unauthorized flea shampoo 2 wks later and the resulting neurotoxicity, I did have the titers drawn for rabies, paro and distemper before deciding. The rabies titer was low and I chose not to ask for an exemption. We take Wally to our house in Vieques, PR and 60% plus of the the mongoose population is projected to be infected with the rabies virus which makes it too risky for him should he come in contact with one. The titers cost $250. Tp mitigate injury from the vac., immediately prior to the vaccination, he had an acupuncture treatment and then he had another treatment the next day. At this point he seems to be fine and has had no change in health. It does seem like a large expense, but when I factor in how much effort I make for this dog with a home cooked organic diet and everything else. it is the only thing that makes sense.

  127. Cheryl Battles Says:

    My post posted but then it vanished. I wanted to know if a state that requires rabies shots every three years can still make you get two shots in a row, not more than a year apart, for rabies.

    I’m talking about NYS. This is what they are doing here, and even the free clinics will only certify you for one year if you can’t prove a previous rabies shot on your dog.

    I have shelties and they are small dogs, and I think two of those rabies shots in one year might ruin my dogs.

    Thanks.

    C. Battles
    Southern Tier, NYS

  128. Sherry Lawson (posted from e-mail to Jan R.) Says:

    Hi, I stumbled across your site while in desperation and after returning from another Sunday emergency visit to the Vet. In October of 2009 I purchased two beautiful Borzois from New Jersey. They had the usual health cert’s prior to shipment which included Rabies.

    The breeder informed me that they would be due for their last series of shots 2 wks after arrival. Approximately 4 weeks after arrival and 4.5 weeks after their rabies shot I took them to my Vet. because one of them had huge lymph nodes on her neck. He diagnosed her with tonsillitis, put her on antibiotics, gave them both their last series of shots INCLUDING RABIES!

    I was shocked when I paid the bill because I had not requested the shot and he was aware that they had recently shipped and that rabies was required to do so. I was upset, but the receptionist reassured me that it was harmless and took it off of my bill. The dog did not improve, in fact she got worse. I took her to another vet. who diagnosed her with “puppy strangles” and put her on more antibiotics and steroids. She also said that she was anemic but had no idea why. There still wasn’t any improvement and the dog continued to worsen.

    I researched puppy strangles and this dog did not display those symptoms. I took her back to the first Vet. only to be told that he was sticking with his diagnosis of tonsillitis and he put her on one of the strongest antibiotics that is made. Within five days I called yet another Vet. and told her that my dog was dying! By now she was emaciated, lethargic and had been running a fever for days. This Vet. took her off of the antibiotics and did labs 2 days later. Her red and white blood counts were normal and her tonsils, although still swollen, had no bacteria.

    Today I rushed her in because her fever was 106 degrees and I could no longer handle her screaming. Yes, screaming, and for no apparent reason! She also will thrash around like she doesn’t know how to get up. The current Vet. is now considering an autoimmune problem and has put her back on steroids. I told her about the double dose rabies vaccines and she did raise an eyebrow. I am begging for any information that may help with a diagnosis on this five month old puppy.

    Sincerely,

    Sherry Lawson

  129. Jan Says:

    Hi Sherry. Two doses of rabies and antibiotics and steroids — it’s a wonder the poor thing is still alive.

    If it were my dog, I would contact Dr. Kruesi at http://www.crvetcenter.com. He consults by phone when you send in your blood tests and other diagnostic data. He specializes in difficult cases and I’ve seen him work wonders. He has treated my dog with autoimmune liver disease for years. His diagnosis is pretty inexpensive. Ask them about costs.

    You can work through your vet or with Dr. Kruesi directly. Since your vets are clueless, there’s no reason to pay the extra money for a second vet. Anyway, that’s just my opinion.

    I believe you should stoop going to conventional vets. All they know are steroids and antibiotics, and you’ve done that already. I suggest you need to give you puppy some probiotics to help rebuild intestinal health after the antibiotics. Scroll to the bottom of this page and read about discontinuing antibiotics and giving probiotics. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/Tear%20Stains.html

    As an alternative, you can try to find a holistic vet near you, especially one with homeopathy training. That’s the only way I know of to reverse vaccinosis. Find a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    When you’re up to it, you need to report the first vet to your state veterinary board for vaccinating your puppy with the second rabies shot without your informed consent.

    I hope this helps, and wish you good luck. (May I post your story on my blog so that others can see the problems caused by reckless vaccination?)

    All the best,

    Jan

  130. Sherry Lawson Says:

    Dear Jan,

    Thank you for your prompt response. I am very disturbed over all of this and I’m so fearful that my other Borzoi puppy may start to show symptoms. The only thing that I have noticed in her after the double rabies is she seems to be off in her hips, kind of wobbly sometimes. If you have any more info. or suggestions I would be eternally grateful. Have you heard of any one else who’s dog has has the same or similar symptoms?

    I would like to ad that the “screaming” issue with this dog reminds me of my grandson…when he was born he was the easiest baby and slept almost all night from the time he was brought home from the hospital. At 3 months he had a series of vaccines and within 24 hrs he began to SCREAM! He did not stop for a year and a half. My daughter inlaw is a nurse and she began looking into the side effects of vaccines and they believe that was the problem. My grandson is now 12 years old and is borderline autistic.

    You have my permission to post my story on your blog. Please send me the link so I can follow along. Once again, thank you and please pray for Sophia, as the Vet. has little hope for her.

  131. Jan Says:

    Sherry, go to http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs and read about reactions. Also check out http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies%20vaccinosis.htm

    Don’t give up on your dog. Give up on your vet! I really think your best chance is homeopathy, preferably with a homeopathy-trained vet or at least a homeopath who does animals. My homeopath, who does me and my dogs, will treat your dog by phone for $70 including remedies. Her name is Willow. http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php

    Take care,
    Jan

  132. Jan Says:

    Do you have a Pug? Are you worried about possible vaccine reactions? Check out this study. Dr. Jean Dodds has volunteered her Hemopet facility as a repository for blood samples that will be used in a DNA study to discover any markers that could be used to determine susceptibility to adverse vaccine reactions in the Pug. Learn more at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/pug_dna_research_study.htm

  133. Yvonne Says:

    Sydney, 12 year old Maltese recovering from spinal surgery- given rabies shot this morning at 9 AM – reacted strongly an hour later – panting, crying, whining, Obviously in a lot of neuro pain, sensitive to touch, yelping when moved. gave baby aspirin and boiled chicken – two hours later MUCH better. Still not perfect – and I will NEVER put him through this again (obviously they have changed the formula recently and Syd – already being “unhealthy” should never have been administered the shot) will document and get an exemption for next year – or never to to a vet again, if unsucessful.

  134. Jan Says:

    Hi Yvonne. Watch your dog carefully. If you see any tearing, vomiting or seizures, get to your vet immediately.

    I suggest you dump the vet who vaccinated a dog still recovering from surgery. Find a list of holistic vets at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Your dog should have some homeopathic therapy.

    Also, report your dog’s reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. Vets are supposed to, but rarely do.

    Good luck. If you happen to live near So. Cal., check out our safer pet vaccination seminar. http://www.petseminar.org

  135. Carolyn Says:

    Horrifying stories, all of them. Mine has a happier ending which I want to share as encouragement. In 2007, my 11 lbs. malti-poo developed a golf-ball sized lump 4″ from the rabies injection site 2 wks. later. She’d also had DLP in the opposite shoulder. She was about 7 yrs. old and had had annual immunizations and then 3 yr. immunizations previously, on “schedule.” The lump was horrible and scary-looking. It was needle-biopsied: “foreign matter inclusion” bodies. Luckily the lump disappeared just prior to scheduling surgery to have it removed 6 MONTHS LATER.

    Thanks to receiving “Scared Poopless” as a gift, I had the links to further research vaccination reactions and decided that’s what my dog had probably had. Her vet totally resisted the idea, does not “believe in” titer tests etc. I actually contacted several vets and they either didn’t seem to know about, or wouldn’t admit to, any problems with vaccinating, and said it “couldn’t be proved” that had been my dog’s problem.

    Long story short, I got the titer test and found my girl is very well protected against distemper, parvo and rabies. With this info in hand, I’ve finally found an understanding vet. Jan and Dr. Jean Dodds were so helpful and encouraging, I am so very grateful. At age 10, my girl will likely will never need a vaccination again. Yes, I have donated to the Rabies Challenge Fund and will continue to do so as funds permit. This vaccination insanity must stop.

  136. Jan Says:

    Carolyn, how exciting! A happy story.

    I’m so glad Jean and I were able to be of help and am delighted you have donated to the Rabies Challenge Fund. BTW, do you know about my Safer Pet Vaccination seminar in San Diego in March? Drs. Dodds and Schultz are speaking and it benefits the RCF. If you’re anywhere near here, I hope you’ll come. And please tell your friends. http://www.PetSeminar.org

    Thanks so much for writing. The sad stories tend to be so depressing and people don’t often follow up on the happy endings.

  137. Janice Says:

    Hello again Jan ! I was question #120 on Dec. 4, 2009. This is a follow up. Our dalmatian had another blood test with Jean Dodds on Jan. 12, 2010 and his Alk. Phos. levels went back down to high 200 range from 1200 previously. He has been on Soloxine for approx. 6 wks now, so it looks like we found a good Thyroid level, according to the bloodwork. HOWEVER, since we started the Soloxine, our dog now has had an ear infection. The infection started after 2 wks. of the initial “high dose” that is traditionally given for 4 wks to find out a “maintenance” dose. After 2 weeks of the high dose of Soloxine, our dog went nuts with drinking excessive water and head shaking (ear infection) so we bumped up the next blood test so we could reduce the Soloxine level sooner. I read that excessive Thyroid hormones can cause ear infections, so I was wondering if anyone else had this happen to them after Soloxine, and what they did about it long term. Otomax has helped a bit, but after 2 long 8 day and another 8 day (can’t continue to give because of steriods) our dog still has a bit of swelling and reddness down inside with Vet’s otoscoping.
    SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE HIS BODY TAKE OVER AND HEAL ITSELF NOW ? THE VET KEEPS RECOMMENDING MORE OTOMAX AND T8 FLUSHES,,,CAN WE BE OVER-TREATING HIM ?
    He NEVER had ear problems in his 9 years, or allergies before. This can NOT be just a coincidence with the start of the Soloxine. We would appreciate any other comments or shared stories on this. THANK YOU !

  138. Valerie Cook Says:

    I do dog rescue and recently had a batch of dogs spayed/neutered and rabies vaccinated (on Feb.3rd). After I got them home I noticed that one was breaking with kennel cough which is not unusual as all of my rescues come from shelters. However, about 2 days after his vaccine, I noticed that he seemed to be ‘off balance’. It was subtle at first, but has progressively gotten worse. He stumbles around sideways and sometimes even falls over now. He does not act sick, he is hopping around, wagging his tail and is eating. I began to wonder if it wasn’t a reaction to his rabies vaccine. I see here that it can effect the CNS.
    I will be contacting my vet but I was wondering if you know if this is usually a permanent or a temporary type reaction.
    He is a 2 yr. old Poodle mix.
    Any info would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you.
    Valerie
    Phoenix, AZ

  139. Jan Says:

    Hi Valerie. I don’t have any stats, but it is my belief that your best option is homeopathy. Dogs having problems with rear-end function can be victims of rabies vaccinosis. Find a vet who understands homeopathy. There are referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets Don’t expect this to just go away.

  140. Cathy Says:

    We had our 10 year old Rottweiller vaccinated for rabies to get his license renewed as required by Michigan law. Almost exactly 24 hours later he had a major seizure. He had never before had a seizure. Less than an hour later he had another major seizure. When he came out of the seizure he staggered about -running into things and walking in circles. He dragged his feet on one side as he walked and was unreposive to us. We took him back to the vet,who felt that he had a stroke and did not think it was related to the vaccine-but Ihave my doubts. He was quite healthy up to that day. We made the painful decision to have him euthanized as his condition continued to decline rapidly. He had rabies vaccines his whole life without incident, so we don’t know what to think.

  141. Jan Says:

    Cathy, vets generally don’t want to attribute vaccine reactions to the shot they have just given, even if common sense says it has to be attributed to the shot. Here’s some info, from the founder of the RabiesChallengeFund.org:

    Immunologically, rabies vaccines are the most potent of the veterinary vaccines and “are the most common group of biological products identified in adverse event reports received by the CVB [Center for Veterinary Biologics].”[2][2] They are associated with significant adverse reactions such as polyneuropathy “resulting in muscular atrophy, inhibition or interruption of neuronal control of tissue and organ function, incoordination, and weakness.”[3][3] Auto-immune hemolytic anemia,[4][4] autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel, and central nervous system; anaphylactic shock; aggression; seizures; epilepsy; and fibrosarcomas at injection sites are all linked to the rabies vaccine. [5][5] [6][6] It is medically unsound for this vaccine to be given more often than is necessary to maintain immunity.

    Here are two webpages to check: http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/education/why-challenge-current-rabies-vaccine-policy and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/dog-seizures-and-vaccination

    I don’t want to upset you, but why wouldn’t your vet suggest seizure meds? Or consult a holistic vet to see if anything could be done?

    I hope you’ll contact the manufacturer of the vaccine and report what happened. Also make sure your vet does the same. He/she should already have done this, but my guess is that he/she didn’t.

    I hear heartbreaking stories like yours all the time. I hope you’ll support the http://www.rabieschallengefund.org. If you happen to live in So. Calif., check out our Safer Pet Vaccination Seminar. http://www.petseminar.org

    There are many of us with dogs suffering from rabies vaccination. I hope you’ll join us. And please accept our condolences.

  142. Kris Says:

    Jan,
    Thanks for all you are doing to educate the public. As a dog rescuer of many years, I have seen many preventable tragedies caused by vaccines. Last year, a shelter asked me to take a 3 lb Chihuahua who began having seizures within 24 hours of getting his first rabies vaccine. While the public is beginning to grasp that all dogs receive the same dose of vaccine, most don’t realize that the dose of vaccine is 1/2 of what a 1200 horse receives: 1 ml for dogs versus 2 ml for a horse. Naturally, the vet refused to admit that the rabies vaccine caused the seizures, and wanted to put the Chihuahua on phenobarbital immediately. He told the owners that it would cost $200 a month in blood tests to check the phenobarbital levels. They returned the poor Chihuahua to the shelter because they could not afford to keep him. I was asked to take him, and had them put him on Milk Thistle immediately. Many “seizures” are caused by liver inflammation brought on by vaccines, and Milk Thistle has helped many dogs here. The little Chi, Ignacio, is doing wonderfully, and is medication-free. Sadly, I am afraid to adopt him out because he can NEVER have another vaccine, but most vets would vaccinate him anyway. Most adopters, even after signing a contract to not vaccinate, will allow the vet to bully them into vaccinating. I have had vets agree to not vaccinate dogs with seizures before their client adopts the dog, and turn around and try to push vaccines on their first visit with the dog. It is at the point that I tell people, “If you want your dog to live a long, healthy life, avoid veterinarians”. With the exception of surgeries such as dentals and spaying and neutering, it is my opinion that the vast majority of vets cause more harm to dogs and cats than help. The creed of medicine is, “First do no harm”, yet vets are causing horrible illnesses and death in many pets with vaccines. Whether it is greed or stupidity driving them, only they can say. With so much overwhelming evidence regarding the danger of vaccines, I can’t grasp why aren’t connecting the dots, other than they are making a great deal of money vaccinating and treating the damage caused by vaccines.
    Thank you again for your life-saving website!

  143. Angelina Heleloa-Bader Says:

    My 17 week old Malti-poo was given his rabies shot. As a new puppy mom I followed the advice of our vet to have him vaccinated. I was not advised of any risks or possible side effects.(Stupid me, I am now an avid online researcher) My 6lb. pup began having tremblors. This was on a Friday.I called the vet and asked if it was related to the vaccine. I was told probably not, but give him some baby Benadryl and if it didn’t clear up call the vet on Monday. On Saturday I took him back to the vet’s office and an assistant didn’t see anything out of the ordinary but again advised me to call on Monday. By Tuesday, my little guy looked like he had Parkinson’s, his little head shaking back and forth. We rushed him to the emergency where he was kept for two days, given a battery of tests and x-rays, I.V. and hundreds of dollars later, I brought him home. He is now going through metal detox. Had I known about the dangers of this vaccine, I would have never put my baby through it. It’s imperative to be your pet’s own advocate!!!!

  144. Jan Says:

    Hi Angelina. It’s very important that you get all your dog’s reactions detailed in his file. Get a copy of the file, and get the reaction page signed. You’ll want to apply for an exemption next time.

    Make sure you report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. You’ll need brand and lot #. Ask you vet to report it, too, and follow up to make sure it gets done. Check the label. I bet your vet gave a shot containing mercury (thimerosol). If it doesn’t, it will say TF or thimerosol free.

    I find your vet’s behavior unacceptable. Your dog should have been seen right away and the vaccine should have been immediately suspected. Since you weren’t warned about side effects, you should report your vet to your state veterinary medical board. This is the only way things will change.

    Find a vet with training in homeopathy. There’s a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets This is your dog’s best chance for recovery. Keep advocating, and tell your friends.

    If you’re anywhere near So. California, come to our Safer Pet Vaccination Seminar on March 28. It benefits the study of the rabies vaccine.

  145. Jean Fanning Says:

    Hello
    My Aussie is 6 years old. As a puppy, she showed no signs of aggression. She had a rabies shot at 7 months. From that point on, she has been fear aggressive. I believe it is from that darned rabies shot. That said… what can I do about it now? I have done a lot of training for the fear aggression, but none of it has changed her initial response to other dogs. She doesn’t lunge at them now, but still ‘gives face’ to them. I do agility with her, and now she is becoming fearful of the judge in the ring. This is spiraling down. Any suggestions? Thank you for your time.
    Jeannie Fanning

  146. Jessica Says:

    Hi,
    I have a 1 1/2 year old miniature pinscher who went in for her rabies booster and distemper shot on March 13th. She had a severe reaction and went into anaphylactic shock. She collapsed on her way out of the vet and we were told she would have died if we were any farther away. She began having tremors and was in the hospital for the rest of the day and was given many injections including steroids, epinephrine, diphenhydramine, dexamethasone and normasol bolus in order to stabilize her. She was put on an ECG, oxygen and IV catheter.

    After we finally brought her home she was put on Benadryl for 3 days and for the next week or so she just didn’t seem like herself, very sad/lethargic, had a very dry mouth, was drinking tons of water and peeing a lot. I figured it was a result of the Benadryl, but after that had been stopped for a few days she still wasn’t getting better. She then started losing control of her bladder and would pee just standing up, sitting down, sleeping or even walking. I brought her back to the vet and they put her on antibiotics and pain medication. It is now almost 3 weeks after the shot and she still isn’t better. She is currently on no medications and is now stuck in a diaper all day. She was completely potty trained prior to this reaction and now cannot seem to hold her bladder for even a few minutes. She can go outside and come back in and lose her bladder.

    I know the vaccine’s caused this issue and now they want to check her kidney/liver function to make sure everything is working ok and of course they want me to pay hundreds of dollars for it. I have spent the last few weeks researching vaccine reactions and small dogs and the results are devastating! I wish my vet would have informed me about this possibility.

    In the course of my research I have come across information about Cushing’s disease and I wondering if this could be what is going on with her? Can these vaccines cause Cushing’s disease in a dog this fast (and a dog this young)? Any information you could give me would be greatly appreciated. I am desperate to get my old loving dog back!

    Thank you

  147. Jan Says:

    Jessica, I’m so sorry for your dog, but not surprised. I’ve sent you an AVMA Journal article about the dangers of vaccinating small dogs with multiple vaccines. A summary of the Journal article is at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/

    Don’t blame the vaccine. Blame your vet for giving two vaccines at once, especially when one of them was rabies. Also, why give distemper at all to an adult dog? You dog likely already had lifetime immunity to distemper. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/ I hope you’ll file a complaint with your state veterinary medical board.

    Tell me where you live and I’ll send you the name of a vet to contact. Or check http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets and check the referral lists. Your vet is unlikely to fix the mistake he/she made. That vet is treating symptoms, not the cause.

  148. karen obrien Says:

    my 16 month german shepard is having black stools for a few days now ,he got his rabies shot sat-is it possible they are connected

  149. Jan Says:

    Hi Karen. I have never heard of intestinal bleeding as a side effect, but the timing makes it suspicious. Black stools, in humans at least, are indicative of blood high in the intestinal track. You should report this to your vet. Your dog could have also eaten something that could have cut his intestines. In any case, this is not good. Let your vet decide what to do. Is your dog feeling okay?

  150. Natalie (sent by email to Jan) Says:

    I have a 15 week old puppy. I have just come back from the vet who talked us into having a second rabies vaccinations after 2 weeks of giving our puppy the first rabies vaccination (we thought our appointment was for taking the serum test). The first vaccination was given at 12 weeks, together with her distemper/parvovirus/adenovirus and leptospirosis vaccines.

    And 2 weeks later at 3 1/2 months of age he gave her anorther rabies vaccination. We protested against giving a second vaccination but the vet said it was needed because the UK requires a much higher rabies antibody titre than other places in Europe (I since learned that it is not true). We are not happy, and have not heard of this being done and I cannot find information online about the effects of giving 2 rabies vaccinations within 2 weeks.

    How bad is this? I have since read how it is not good to give the rabies vaccination to puppies under 4 months, and not good to give it together with other vaccines, so I am concerned because she was given 2 rabies vaccines both at under 4 months of age. Is there is anything we can do to help our puppy not develop any long-term side effects? (she has been very tired and scratching more, other than that she seems okay. Thank you very much for your help.

    Best wishes,
    Nathalie

  151. Jan Says:

    Natalie, how bad is this? you ask. It’s horrible. Your vet is incompetent and reckless. You need to get your dog’s records immediately.

    To give rabies shots two weeks apart is very dangerous. They’re supposed to be given at 4 months then a YEAR later. Your vet needs to be reported to your area’s veterinary medical association. Your vet has violated the AAHA and WSAVA Vaccine Guidelines. Find links at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots at the page bottom. Do not let your vet get away with this. I’d at least demand my money back.

    In addition, to give shots two weeks apart disrupts immunity. Always was three-four weeks between shots.

    Leptospirosis is also dangerous and seldom effective. Does the vaccine given fit the disease strains in your area? Unlikely.

    You need a vet who understands homeopathy. This is very important. And do it as soon as possible. If you can’t find anyone in your area, write me again. Your dog needs to take the appropriate remedy to detox.

    Good luck. And find another vet! Oh, and contact the rabies vaccine manufacturer and ask their advice.

  152. Nathalie Says:

    Dear Jan, Thank you very much for your reply. Yes I’d really like your help, I forgot to mention that we live in St.Maarten in the Caribbean and there are no homeopathic vets here. We’d really like to know how to reverse any ill effects as soon as possible. Thank you again for your help. Nathalie

  153. Annette Dusa Says:

    I’m sorry if this has been addressed before. I’ve been researching more on the subject of rabies vaccines and was just wondering why, if rabies shots are soooo important for our dogs, why are cats not required to be licensed and vaccinated against rabies? They are the ones who are more likely to be outdoors with bats, racoons and the like and then come in contact with kids or people but they aren’t required to be licensed, therefore the owner has the choice of vaccinating or not?

  154. gen Says:

    hi.

    my sister was bitten by a our domestic dog. he is 3months old. he had an anti-rabies vaccine 3 days ago and he also have his first dose of 6 in 1 vaccine and dose 3days ago together with anti-rabies. Is my sister at risk? please help. thank you so much. we dont know what to do now.

  155. Jan Says:

    Gen, I need more details. Do you have any reason to believe the puppy has been bitten by a rabid animal, i.e., a bat, raccoon, fox or coyote? If your dog hasn’t been bitten by a rabid animal, he won’t have rabies. It is not something he can pick up from the ground or air. He can’t be born with it. He must have been bitten.

    I don’t know if the dog has immunity from the shot, but he probably should. Your vet gave your dog way too many shots at once (most of which he probably didn’t need). This can interfere with immunity. Also, if the dog was not aggressive before, it could have been the rabies shot. Please don’t give the 6-in-one again. It’s dangerous for the dog. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    You should probably call your vet who will likely tell you the same thing. If you’re still worried, especially if you have any reason to believe your dog was bitten, contact Dr. Dodds at Hemopet.org. She’s an expert.

    One more thing. Was it a minor playful puppy bite or an attack? The law treats these events differently. Also, dog bites can become infected. Clean the wound carefully, use an antiseptic and ask your doctor about it.

  156. helio Says:

    There’s a simple solution: Don’t license your indoor dog. If the county doesn’t know you have a dog, it can’t force you to inject the dog with rabies vaccine. If some official calls on the phone and asks, say the dog was hit by a car and killed. If the vet asks when the dog was last immunized, say you took the dog to PetSmart for its shots within the previous year. Don’t argue about it; just tell them what they want to hear.

    If your dog lives outdoors — even in the backyard, where it can be exposed to bats, raccoons, skunks, foxes, urban coyotes and other mammals that carry rabies (you’d be surprised how many raccoons and coyotes live unobserved in big cities) — then obviously the dog needs to be immunized against rabies. But if your dog lives in the house, goes outdoors only when you are around to watch what’s going on, and is never, ever taken into the country, the forest, or the desert (leash or no leash), then there’s no reason to have a rabies shot.

    @ Annette Duso (comment #153): cats indeed are the main carriers of rabies in U.S. urban settings, because so many cats are allowed to roam free and so often encounter urban wildlife such as raccoons. They are not routinely vaccinated partly because of skewed legislation and partly because rabies vaccinations are known to cause cancer in cats. They cause cancer in dogs, too, but that fact is less widely known among pet owners.

  157. Holly Wagner Says:

    I lost my 2 1/2 year old miniature schnauzer to a rabies shot. She had an anaphalactic reaction. She vomited twice and then stopped breathing. I ran her back into the office – they gave her epi, steroids, Oxygen, etc – brought her back and I picked her up two hours later. She was very restless when I brought her home. I thought the medicine they gave her was messing with her head. I called and asked if I could give her 1/2 tsp Benadryl. The vet though it was a good idea. She slept about 2 hours and woke up not being able to walk straight. We rushed her to PetMed and they thought she was having seizures. They gave me Valium and sent her home. She was lethargic and slept for hours – only to awaken and scream out like a human. We rushed her once again to PetMed and she received Valium. I called at 7 in the morning and her pupils were dilated and there really wasn’t much left to her. I put her down that morning. This was the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I am a nurse and couldn’t do a thing for her. I watched her deteriate throughout the night – quickly. I have another miniature schnauzer and after doing the research I don’t think I will ever be able to vaccinate him again. These dogs are like our children – why is nothing being done about these reactions?

  158. Keren Says:

    I have a questioned regarding the Rabies vaccine. My question is. I have a golden retriever, when he was 16 weeks he got his first rabies shot, then a year later, he got the second shot which was a supoosely a 1 year shot, then a year later I got a note saying he was up for his 3 year shot rabies. I took him, after that I started noticing that his pretty golden face had turned white, like when a dog is getting older. Yet he is only 3 years. at that time. When I went in to take my golden retriever girl, I asked about my boy’s rabies vaccine history and they told me that by accident they had given him 2 years in a row the the 3 year rabies shot . I was shocked by such a “accident”. Well, can that affect my golden retriever’s ability to get my female golden retriever pregnant?? because I have bred them twice and NOTHING. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!

  159. robert Says:

    ahm.. can somebody help me?? i’ve been very worried about my dog, you see, she just got her anti rabies shot this morning then the vet said not to bathe her for about 5 days, but suddenly someone soaked her really bad, she was so wet, then i got really worried to what may happen to my dog, can anyone tell me what may happen to her?? pls.. i really need help.. tnx

  160. Jan Says:

    Helio, you are partly right about vaccinating against rabies, but if your dog bites someone, even it never was exposed to a rabid animal, you will be at the mercy of your local health official. Your dog will be quarantined or even killed, depending on where you live. Also, I doubt that the PetSmart option will work. They’ll want to see paperwork.

    Rabies vaccinations CAN cause injection-site cancers in cats, but it can also happen in dogs, though more rarely. Merial’s Purevax recombinant vaccine is considered the safest for cats and it should be injected in the leg, not the body of the cat. For dogs, select a vaccine without thimerosol. It should have TF in its brand name.

  161. Jan Says:

    Hi Holly. I’m so sorry about your loss.

    There is something being done about the rabies shot by a nonprofit group called the Rabies Challenge Fund: http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org Learn more about there.

    Also, I am shocked that the only treatment for an extreme vaccine reaction including seizures would be valium. I would file a complaint with your local veterinary board. I wish your vet had had treatment in homeopathy.

    Min. Schnauzers are especially prone to vaccine reactions. they are one of the top breeds affected, expecially when given multiple shots. Read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/

    Before vaccinating your other dog, please read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/ If your dog who died is a sibbling of your other dog, make sure the vet knows it and knows about the other dog’s extreme reaction to the rabies vaccine. Make sure you get the shot from a vet trained in homeopathy.

  162. Jan Says:

    Keren, I would be furious with the vet who carelessly exposed your dog to three rabies vaccines in such a short period of time. If it happened recently, report the vet to your state’s veterinary medical association. I cannot tell you if the shots affected his ability to breed, but it could have caused other health problems including genetic mutations.

    You probably won’t want to hear this, but I wouldn’t try to breed the dog. Only completely healthy dogs with excellent genetic profiles should be bred. I also believe that breeding dogs should be fed a raw, varied diet and should have been given only those vaccines that were absolutely necessary. This includes both of the dogs. Only by breeding just the healthiest, best “specimens” will genetic flaws affecting health eventially be eliminated.

  163. Jan Says:

    Robert, I’m not a vet but I’ve never heard of being warned not to bathe your dog after vaccination. Why not call your vet and ask why he/she said not to bathe the dog and tell him/her what happened. I’d love to hear the vet’s response.

    Use your dog’s behavior as a guide to his health. If your dog is distressed, tell the vet immediately. If I were you, I’d write Marina at naturalrearing.com and tell her you want the homeopathic remedy Lyssin. It’s commonly given to blunt reactions after a rabies vaccine. It’s a good precaution in any event.

  164. robert Says:

    thanks jan… but did you ever encounter cases similar as this one?? how did you deal with it?? i’m really worried about my dog, unfortunately i lost my vet’s number, but i sent another txt message to another vet, and she told to monitor the dog for any symptoms of fever,

  165. Deb Says:

    I have a 5 year old Maltese. I gave him his rabies vaccine on 05/13/2010. I am unable to list the brand d/t legality reasons. However, 4 days later my dog developed vomiting and diarrhea. I brought him to my vet and his liver function (ALT) was elevated 12 TIMES the normal at 1260. He had to be seen by a different veterinarian as he required a higher level of care and more lab equipment. My precious dog was placed on antibiotics, liver support medication, Denamarin, and antinausea medication. We were unsure wether he would make it or not. It is now June 7th. His liver function test ALT is still elevated but down to 140 (normal is 10-100) and he went for his first walk since becoming ill. He has eaten quite well for the last 2 days other wise nibbles and trying many different prescription foods eg bland and liver diet with diarrhea and lack of appetite. Ce have incured very expensive vet bills. Called the drug company that manufactured the medication and they will pay for none of the bills, stating, “your dog must have something wrong with his immune system as he “reacted” to other shots in the past” . Which he did to the distemper vaccination. Got into an argument with Dr. Veterinarian for the drug company and ended up hanging up on him. What a sad experience. My stomach was in knots watching him suffer with the illness. If he pulls through this and heals there is NO WAY he is going to get another vaccination. The drug companies are in this for the money not with our pets safety in mind. A large Great Dane gets the same dose as a little 5 pound dog??? This makes no sense at all.

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  167. steve hadricky Says:

    We had our pet cockapoo vacinated 2days ago for rabies and distemper. She is 18 mons. old. The vet wanted to give her even more shots, and I declined. She is about 18lbs.The groomer reqiured she had an up to date rabies shot,before they would work on her. Molly has been listless, not eating and acting out of normal character, hiding in secluded places and whimpering at times. We are fearing that the shots have made her ill.Her bowls movements are very loose and she has vomited a few times. I was not aware of the dangers of vacines for dogs.

  168. Jan Says:

    Steve, report the reaction to your vet and have it recorded in your dog’s file. This is important. Get a copy of the file. Insist that your vet report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer, and do the same yourself. Your dog is ill.

    Contact a vet skilled in homeopathy to reverse the adverse effects of the vaccine. There’s a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet If you can’t afford another vet, contact marina@naturalrearing.com You need to take action to avoid long term reactions. But first, report the reaction to your vet.

  169. Debbie G Says:

    Next year my maltese is suppose to get his rabies shot, but reading all this and reading what people put here not sure if I will or not. It scares me to think the rabies shot can hurt or even kill my poor dog. My vet gave him to me he is 3 now.

    Some vets don’t know what they are doing.. I saw this and thought you would like to read it.

    http://blogs.dogster.com/vet_blog_information_advice/is-it-safe-to-mix-deramaxx-and-rimadyl/#comments

    Deramaxx and Rimadyl ?

  170. Jan Says:

    Debbie, email marina @naturalrearing.com (omit the space after marina) and ask her about a homeopathic remedy to help with the shot.

  171. Sheila Jensen Says:

    I just adopted a shih tzu estimated to be about 2 – 3 years old. I got him from a local rescue who picked him up from a shelter. The foster mom has “lost” his paperwork so I have no evidence of his rabies shot to get him licensed. What are the side affects of possibly double vaccinating him with a 2nd rabies shot so soon?

  172. Jan Says:

    Sheila, shame on the foster mom. The two most important things for her to do are keep the dog alive and keep the papers safe.

    It could be very dangerous to give another shot so soon. Even fatal. Or there could be no reaction at all. Ask the “mom” who gave the shot. Maybe you can find the vet. He/she will have a record. If it was given at the shelter, see if they have any records. If you can’t find the records and have to vaccinate, write Marina @naturalrearing.com and tell her your story. She’ll suggest a homeopathic remedy to help with the vaccination.

    Read the article on Eliminating Unnecessary Vaccination at http://www.truth4dogs.com before you even think of giving any other shots.

    Good luck!

  173. Cindy Says:

    We have an 11 month male, unneutered bullmastiff. He had just had his puppy shots when he came to us at 8 weeks. He had diarrhea for 5 weeks and was very weak in the rear end. The breeder said this was not unusual, so we did nothing. He was given his Distemper, Parvovirus, parainfluenza, bordetella and rabies at one visit by our new vet. (I had no knowledge that this was not a good option). Over the next two months he had a pustule rash that spread from his underbelly, armpits, etc to his ears. He started shedding, lost hair over his left eye and got a cyst, was shedding from his muzzle, had swollen lips and the same pustules on his chin and some on his upper muzzle, his eyes got conjunctivitis and his nose was running clear liquid. He was also weak again in his rear end, and had stiffness when he would get up. At one point his pads on his feet looked swollen, as well. I read up on the internet and found “puppy strangles”. I went to our vet and said I think my dog is sick and she blew us off, gave him some salve for his lip and muzzle and for his eyes. When his testosterine kicked in he seemed to get stronger and healthier, so we did not neuter him right away. Then two months ago our vet had us put him on heartguard. He took a dose and then a second dose the next month. He had started having anxiety, looking up at the ceiling as if he saw ghosts, running away, scare of noises and sudden movements, he was just not himself and starting to freak me out, so again I went on the internet to check on things to do for anxiety and found vaccinosis, etc. We have now switched vets, we have a holistic vet who just did a full history on him. It was so nice to have someone actually listen to what he has had going on and not act as if “I” was losing my mind and that I was paranoid and not the dog. We love our dog and hope that he can become healthy again. NO MORE VACCINES for our Cooper!

  174. Deb Bruckschen Says:

    Hi – Is muscle weakness in the hind legs that appears to be a possible side effect of a rabies vaccine (given with two others) temporary or generally permanent?

    Our 5-month-old Teddy Bear puppy was given was three shots 4 days ago. We were leaving on a trip and picked him up from a wonderful kennel tonight. He looks very happy and great, other than the fact that he has “mysteriously” and suddenly lost his ability to run fast and to jump. He trips up stairs a bit, and when he runs it’s as if his hind feet move in a bunny-like motion. The vet said this would have absolutely nothing to do with the vaccinations. (?)

    Started scouting some things out online and saw the reference to muscle weakness (especially in the hind leg area) as a possible side effect of the rabies vaccine. Again, wondering if anyone knows if it’s generally temporary.

    I’ll also contact a holistic vet in the morning.

    Thank you if you can offer any comments!

  175. Jan Says:

    Hi Deb. Not only is hind end lack of coordination a symptom of a rabies vaccine reaction, it’s a fairly common one. Have you vet contact the top expert, Dr. Jean Dodds. She generally consults with vets at no charge, although it would be nice to send a donation to http://www.rabieschallengefund.org or http://www.hemopet.org You can contact her at Hemopet. Better yet, contact a holistic vet certified in homeopathy for treatment who will surely know about vaccinosis. Your vet can’t treat a condition he/she doesn’t recognize as existing.

    Good luck.

  176. Cindy Says:

    My 8 year old Yorkie, Sparkles, after getting a rabies shot 3 months ago has a large patch of her hair that has turned dark & she has a lump in that area where the shot was given. I can’t believe that these shots cause so many problems. I don’t believe she will be getting another. There is no need for all of the problems with this shot. I don’t understand what is going on but something needs to be done about it!! I am hoping that there is nothing serious with my Sparkles…. Please advise if you have ever heard of the hair turning dark in the area of a rabies shot. Her hair is silver & now has a very dark, almost black patch of hair which is very coarse!

  177. Pet Owner Says:

    while I see alot of posts where there is truly a reaction to the rabies shots, I also see many where pets come down with something and immediately it must be the rabies shot. Well, animals get skin conditions, they get cancer (not in a couple hours after the shot), they have immune system or seizure disorders. Everyone blames the shots. I have seen many dogs without rabies shots come down with all the same.

    And you know what? Feeling like crap, having a fever or being aggressive because they feel like crap makes sense. Personally there are many humans who are the same after a flu shot.

    Again I am not saying there are not reactions, just like there are food allergies, but paranoia is rampant.

    I have had 4 dogs. All got yearly vaccines, all ate good food. Some felt like crap after their shots (I would too) and they all lived into their teens.

  178. Jan Says:

    Pet Owner, I suspect many more reactions go unreported than are reported in error. What is the problem with suspecting a reaction? The American Animal Hospital Association Canine Task Force 2006 report spends pages urging vets to suspect and report reactions. A former FDA director suspects that less than 1% of drug reactions (in humans) are ever reported. The first step in reporting is suspecting a problem.

  179. Jan Says:

    Cindy, yes, I have heard of skin discoloration, as well as lumps, at a rabies vaccine injection site. This is from an article written by Judy Schor about her Peaches’ reaction to a rabies shot: Peaches competed successfully in Agility through the summer of 2007. She appeared to feel well but the ear lesions remained. During this period, Peaches developed a strange round yellowish skin/fur color change on her right rear haunch. Even the texture of the fur over that area became changed…Silkier feeling, but with a yellowish cast in her otherwise white fur.

    You can read the rest at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/2009/07/01/rabies-vaccine-skin-reaction-ischemic-dermatopathy/ Also see http://www.oes.org/page2/18588~RABIES_VACCINE–Skin_Reactions.html

    You should also watch the lump. A lump that doesn’t go away in three months should be biopsied. Famous expert Dr. Ron Schultz recommends a “punch biopsy.” Also injection site tumors are more uncommon in dogs than they are in cats, they do happen. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/2009/10/28/vaccine-injection-site-tumors/ I don’t want to scare you. Your dog is probably fine. Just keep an eye on it.

    Since your dog has had a reaction to the shot, please see a vet trained in homeopathy. There are referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Don’t just hope that all will be fine.

  180. William Porter Says:

    I have a 10 year old Rottweiler which has severe osteoarthritis in her knees. She takes 100 mg of rimadyl twice daily, and 150 mg of tramdol twice daily for the arthritis, and has been doing fairly well. She got her 3 year rabies vaccination last Friday morning, and that night did not have much of an appetite. Saturday, and today, Sunday, her appetite has not improved, except for some small treats. Both Saturday, and today, she has had diarrhea, and has been vomiting. I am just wondering if this could be a reaction to her vaccination, or something to do with her overall condition. Our vet is closed today, so I don’t know the type of rabies vaccine that was given. We are going to the vet first thing Monday morning.
    Thank you for your response to this inquiry.
    William Porter

  181. Jan Says:

    Hi William. Yes, it very well could be a reaction to the vaccine, although your vet will likely say it couldn’t be. But it could!

    If it’s not too late, you should probably withhold dinner, something most vets (which I am NOT) recommend for vomiting. Make sure the vomiting, etc., is recorded in your dog’s file along with any other possible side effects.

    Your dog is getting pretty strong medication. I hope you’re getting quarterly blood tests to avoid liver or kidney damage.

    Please read my article about avoiding unnessary shots at http://www.truth4dogs.com Your dog is likely immune to all the puppy diseases. And vaccinating an older dog can cause problems. If you fear avoiding the shots, please read my article on titer testing.

  182. Jan Says:

    Posted with permission from Cindy, emailed to Jan, re vaccinating with rabies vaccine twice in a short time period:

    Question: I took my dog and cat to my vet on a “vaccine clinic” day, and my Vet got their records mixed up—they did not properly document the rabies vaccination(s). They assigned the dog a numbered tag, and wrote it on her record, but put the sticker from the actual injection on the cats papers. Apparently the vet “remembers” giving a shot to the cat, but not the dog, so she wants me to bring my dog back in for the vaccination. What if she already got the vaccine? Will a second one hurt her? Should I wait for some period of time? What if the cat didn’t get the vaccine afterall?

    Jan’s answer: Yes, vaccinating twice in such a short period is very dangerous. Tell your vet it’s her fault and that since your dog got the tag and a notation in his file, he must have gotten the shot. Weren’t you present when the vet gave the shot? You should always be. If your dog is in contact with rabid animals, you decision will be more difficult.

    If your vet doubts she vaccinated the dog, she can order a rabies titer test (a simple blood test), at her cost — under $100. If the titers come back strong, that will be a very good indication that your dog was vaccinated. Europe and the UK require a titer test before bringing dogs into their countries.

    Then you have the problem with the cat. You’ll have to do the same thing if cats are legally required to be vaccinated in your area or if there’s a danger of your cat getting rabies. A second shot is equally dangerous for cats. Also, cats must be vaccinated in their leg in case they develop cancer; this allows the leg to be amputated. And you should use a special vaccine. Read the section on cats at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs There’s a lot of good info there on the possible side effects of the vaccine. It’s the most reported vaccine for adverse reactions.

    If you decide to get another shot, and I hope you don’t have to, wait at least 3 weeks. Longer is better.

    Finally, get a new vet. Your vet’s irresponsibility could ruin your dog’s health. Vets who work with wild animals get a rabies shot themselves. Ask her what she would do if this had happened to her. I bet she wouldn’t get another shot. She’d get a titer test.

    Good luck. Be strong!

  183. Laurie Says:

    My Cairn Terrier and Min Pin received their rabies vaccinations yesterday. Today, my Min Pin seems normal with the exception of crying when being picked up. The Cairn, however, is lethargic and is sleeping most of the time. He only ate a small portion of his food. He also cries when being picked up. Is this common? He is four years old, and I don’t remember him having these symptoms before.

  184. Jan Says:

    Laurie, those sound like normal reactions. Shots hurt! Remember how sore your arm (or rear end) was the last time you were vaccinated.

    Vaccination is hard on dogs. I hope your vet gave only the rabies vaccine and not other vaccines as well. Call your vet’s office and make sure that they record the reactions in your dogs’ files. Do this now! Should the symptoms get worse (and they probably won’t), you’ll need to have documentation.

  185. Charles Covington Says:

    We just moved to Arizona from Belgium and the county will not recognize our dog’s recent rabies vaccination given by a Belgian vet, requiring that we get her vaccinated again. Are there any risks with giving her this second vaccination? The vaccine she was given is Rabisin by Merial. Thank you for your help. Charles Covington

  186. Jan Says:

    Charles, that drives me crazy! But I hear it a lot

    First, wait as long as possible — at least three weeks after the first shot.

    Second, find a vet who will use a thimerosol-free vaccine — preferably one by Merial. It will say TF on the label. You may have to call around to find the vaccine, but it’s worth it.

    Third, best case, you want a vet skilled in homeopathy to give the shot. They can help avoid side effects. If you can’t find one (see my list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet) then contact Marina at naturalrearing.com and tell her what’s happening. She can send you the appropriate remedy.

    Fourth, read this article: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/ I’m adding a part 2 by tomorrow — written by a vet friend. If you sign up to the blog, they’ll automatically send it. Or just remember to check back.

    Fifth, and MOST IMPORTANT, don’t let the vet give any other shot or flea med or heartworm med within three weeks. (Speaking of heartworms, read my articles on that.)

    Good luck. I hope this helps.

  187. Charles Covington Says:

    Thanks for all the info. Her shot was Aug. 3, 2010 so the first item is OK. I will ask around for the thimerosol free vaccine. Why are you concerned about the thimerosol?

  188. peg c. Says:

    I have a questionand hope you can help. My puppy received her rabies shot from the vet when she was 4 mos. Yesterday I took her to a shelter to have her fixed. They administered another rabies shot!HELP is this dangerous?

  189. Jan Says:

    Charles, thimerosol is a preservative. Basically, it’s mercury and it has been linked to many adverse reactions. I would never let a vet give a vaccine containing it. If they buy single vials, rather than big vials, it’s not an issue.

  190. Jan Says:

    Peg, did your dog experience any adverse rabies vaccine reactions? Find typical reactions at http://www.truth4dogs.org/

    If it were my dog, I’d have a vet with experience in homeopathy take a look at him. If expenses are a problem, contact marina at naturalrearing.com about getting a homeopathic remedy. You need to head off any problems before they happen.

    They never should have vaccinated without receiving your consent. And dogs NEVER should be vaccinated under anesthesia. They can vomit and inhale the material and suffocate. You can complain to your state’s veterinary board. Otherwise, that’s about all you can do except try to ward off any reaction.

  191. Deb Mccarthy Says:

    My 6-yr old shitzu received a rabies vaccination 12 days ago. Our state requires them yearly. Over the weekend he was lethargic, seemingly in pain and just not right (no vomiting, stomach problems). Took him to vet and had thorough exam. Blood work was done and we were told his kidney functions were not right. Urinalysis also indicated blood and protein in the urine as well as being diluted. He is on antibiotics and doing slightly better after 3 days. It has been mentioned that it is possible chronic kidney disease which runs in this breed. Has anyone heard of a reaction like this or it is just a coincidence?

  192. Jan Says:

    Deb, there are no states that require a yearly shot, although there are a few backward localities that do. One person can change these terrible laws. The manufacturers all guarantee them for three years. The USDA approves them for three years. Don’t let city greed, ignorance and/or habit injure your dog.

    It is probably a coincidence although your dog’s immune system is probably malfunctioning because of too many shots. I hope you’re aware that most adult dogs no longer require puppy shots for distemper and parvovirus, the most important shots. Read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    I’m hoping against hope that your vet gave the rabies shot alone and not with other shots. Shih Tzus, and other small dogs, should never get multiple vaccines at once.

    I’d find a vet trained in homeopathy to help your dog. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Look into the rabies law in your state at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies-laws Then change the local law if it’s in conflict. It’s easier than you think. There is NO reason to vaccinate yearly.

  193. Cheryl Husslein Says:

    I am in the need of licensing as my dog “at large” got into a scuffle, suffice it to say…i have to prove licensing and that means rabies which i oppose. Vet says even a titer showing the anitgen will not suffice, it is required, help as i do not want to do this.
    If i need to clarify why…then you do not understand vaccinations and flu shots and big Pharma…

  194. Joel Alcadio Says:

    I was wondering why the vet would usually advise me not to give my puppy a bath within 5 days after taking a rabies vaccine. What would happen then if the puppy had taken a bath within that prohibited period?

  195. Jan Says:

    Joel, that’s a new one! I can make a few guesses, but why not ask your vet?

    Wild guess one: sometimes a rabies shot can make a dog aggressive, and bath time isn’t usually pleasurable for them.
    Wild guess two: sometimes a shot will cause other symptoms of rabies, not rabies itself, but fear of water is one of them.
    Guess three (my best guess): a bath is a stress and the dog has already been stressed.

    So, ask your vet, and tell me what he/she says.

  196. Meagan Says:

    A Little Information about our dog first; Bruno is a 1.5 year old Jack-a-poo (jack russell-poodle) He has always been very healthy and always VERY VERY energenic.

    We took our dog to get his rabies vaccine and booster shots on October 21 and then he started getting sick between October 23-25. At first his symptoms started out with these; left legs shaking, squeeling when you would touch his leg ear, a little off balance, a lump under his left arm, eyes twitching like crazy, loss of any appetite for dog food.
    So we took him to the vet to explain our concerns, well the doctor said it was probably just an ear infection which could cause him to be off balance and have a few other symptoms. So we were giving him ear drops and pain killers. The medicine did help his ear but it is not helping anything else so we took him back to another vet and that vet said neurological problem for sure. We had to go talk to our original vet and get him to contact the company who manufactures this product in hopes they’ll pay for his medical expenses to see a neurologist 1.5 hours away. (We wont find out the answer til Monday)

    These are his current symptoms:
    Whole body shaking (90% of the day), hind legs spreading apart causing him to stumble or collapse, went from only sleeping when we were sleeping to sleeping 50-60% of the day as well, almost complete loss of balance, confusion, “sad eyes” (just doesnt have the love and joy in them anymore), still won’t eat dog food, lump is still there (and its not at the injection spot), goes to another room alone (if we were home, he would NEVER go to a room alone before, he hates being alone)… His eyes twitch the odd time but not nearly as bad as they were.

    Have you seen/heard of these symptoms in any other dogs?

  197. Jan Says:

    Meagan, I’m very sorry to say that I have heard these symptoms before. The kind of vet you want to see is one with training in homeopathy. See a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet That’s your best bet to reverse the symptoms.

    I would highly recommend that whatever vet you see contacts Dr. Jean Dodds, an expert in rabies reactions. She generally does not charge to consult with vets and answers very quickly. Find her contact info at http://www.hemopet.com

    Here are just some of the rabies vaccine reactions (and the % of dogs whose reactions were reported) reported to the USDA. Reporting is rare. Please make sure you and your vet both contact the manufacturer:

    “Vomiting-28.1%; facial swelling-26.3%; injection site swelling or lump-19.4%; lethargy-12%; urticaria-10.1%; circulatory shock-8.3%; injection site pain-7.4%; pruritus-7.4%; injection site alopecia or hair loss-6.9%; death-5.5%; lack of consciousness-5.5; diarrhea-4.6%; hypersensitivity (not specified)-4.6%; fever-4.1%;, anaphylaxis-2.8%; ataxia-2.8%; lameness-2.8%; general signs of pain-2.3%; hyperactivity-2.3%; injection site scab or crust-2.3%;, muscle tremor-2.3%; tachycardia-2.3%; and thrombocytopenia-2.3%. …. Adverse events considered possibly related to vaccination included acute hypersensitivity (59%); local reactions (27%); systemic reactions, which refers to short-term lethargy, fever, general pain, anorexia, or behavioral changes, with or without gastrointestinal disturbances starting within 3 days after vaccination (9%); autoimmune disorders (3%); and other (2%).”

    Dr. Dodds wrote the above in her article at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/06/15/rabies-vaccination-medical-exemptions-for-unhealthy-dogs/#more-899

    Question: did your vet administer anything else to your dog on the same visit: heartworm meds, other shots, etc.?

    I wish you the best of luck.

  198. Mary Says:

    Poodle (10 years old, 15.5 pounds) had rabies and DALPPC shots 11-16-10. Had been vomiting since 3 hours after shots. Sleeping (snoring loudly) Vet says to take away food until tomorrow and limit water intake. Should I do more?

  199. Jan Says:

    Mary, first, make sure that your vet records the reaction in your dog’s file. Get a copy of the file, then fire your vet. Seven vaccines in one day is horrible. Vaccinating a senior dog is horrible. Rabies given with any other shot is horrible. Each additional vaccine increases the chance of reaction by 24%. Read this article and give a copy to your vet. It’s a summation of a study published in the American Veterinary Medical Assoc. Journal. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/ Report your vet to your state veterinary medical association for not advising you about possible dangers and reactions.

    If it were my dog, I’d find a vet trained in homeopathy to treat your dog — to “clear” the bad effects of the vaccine. I have referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet If you can’t do that, contact Marina at naturalrearing.com The rabies vaccine alone can cause blood disease, autoimmune disease and more. See http://www.truth4dogs.org for more information.

    Watch your dog carefully for any other symptoms. And stop vaccinating your “senior” dog — except for legally required rabies. Most puppies who’ve had one shot after 15 or 16 weeks of age have lifetime immunity. Read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/
    Your vet should have told you that parvo (the P in DALPPC) lasts 7 years to a lifetime; the same with distemper (D). The L, leptospirosis, shouldn’t be given to a small dog unless there’s an epidemic. C, Coronavirus, is for a very mild, rare disease of very young puppies. A is for a disease virtually unknown in North America.

  200. Liz Says:

    I read in horror about the vaccination reactions, I had no idea. I assumed these professionals (vets) know their business and I rely on their knowledge. Well, no more! I recently acquired a rescued, 2 year old, 6.5 lb poodle. He is precious and adjusting fairly well. He has gained almost 1 lb in 3 weeks. He had a rabies shot October 30 and we had no reactions. But we went yesterday and got a DA2PPV injection and blood work for an upcoming teeth cleaning and neutering. Last evening he was very lethagic, would hardly walk at all, seemed to have fevor as he was shivering and the injection site seemed to hurt, although I am not sure the exact injection spot. He slept well but doesn’t seem to have improved much overnight. He continues eating and drinking fine, as well as doing all his “business.”

    Could this all be due to the DA2PPV vacinnation he received yesterday? I planned to carry him back to the vet in the morning but am concerned after reading all the comments. And should he get the “booster” in 2-4 weeks? I look forward to going to your website to become better informed. Thanks…

  201. Jan Says:

    Liz, yes, the reaction is surely from the shot. I hope you’ll read this article about the dangers of vaccinating small dogs with multiple vaccines at once. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/small-dogs/ Each vaccine in the shot increases the risk of reaction by 24%!

    It’s likely your adult dog didn’t need the shot in the first place. You could of done, and still can do, a blood antibody titer test for parvo and distemper. The combined test is inexpensive and may show that your dog needs no further shots, probably forever. DA2PPV is a puppy shot! (Read about titer testing here: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/)

    Would I give another shot to this highly reactive dog? I certainly wouldn’t. (I’m not a vet, however.) If your dog reacted once, he/she will react again. I would wait three weeks yesterday’s last shot and do a titer test. I’d recommend sending the blood, drawn by your vet, to hemopet.org. One of the world’s top experts will interpret the test and her prices are great. Here’s a request form. The test is $40 plus a blood draw. http://www.hemopet.org/files/TEST%20REQUEST%20FORMandINSTRUCTIONS.pdf You vet will likely want to use his/her lab but I really trust hemopet to correctly interpret the result.

    I’m getting ready to post an article at truth4dogs.com about what to do when your dog has a reaction. I’ll post it Monday. It says, among other things: Your vet may not recognize the symptoms as a vaccine reaction and may not want to believe or admit that the shot he/she administered brought on this problem. It’s up to you to be strong. You know your dog better than anyone. Above all, keep your wits about you. Don’t be pressured into doing anything that doesn’t feel right. For example, if your dog has her first seizure ever soon after vaccination, she is probably having a vaccine reaction; she probably does NOT suddenly have a brain tumor requiring a $800 MRI! As they say, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras!

    Also, you need a vet who understands homeopathy to treat the reaction. Conventional vets don’t know how. See the referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet or write Marina @naturalrearing.com for her help.

    Another thought. Call the vaccine manufacturer and tell them what happened. They should help and should also pay for treatment, although you’ll have to insist.
    Let me know how it goes. I hope this helps.

  202. Rick Messina Says:

    My 14 year old, Female Aussie/Mix, has severe Arthritus, in rear legs, for which I have been giving Her Glucosomine & Chondroitin, which was helping, a lot, but, lately She has been falling, a lot. Two months ago, She had, Her Rabies Shot. Since then, She has also, lost Her strong, Bark ability. Her Bark, is very, weak, and, higher pitched, which, She only, lets-out, rarely, during the night, for, no apparant reason. Can this, be due, to Her age, or, possibly, a Side Effect, from, the Rabies Vacination ? ? ? I have, come to believe, Mine, and, All, the local Vets, are NOT, “Vacination Experts” ! ! !

    My Vet, believes in, giving Shots, but, I am sceptic. Since I first, read Your Advice, about Vaccinations, I stopped giving Her, the 5 in 1 Shot, two years ago, but, I won’t tell My Vet that { only been seeing Him, for one year }. We need Him for Emergencies, and, yearly, checkups. The nearest Holistic is pretty far away.
    I would like, Your Expert Opinion, whether, the Rabies Shot, could have caused, My Dog’s probllems, to worsen. Thanks, very much. Rick

  203. Jan Says:

    Rick, I’ve never heard of a rabies vaccination changing a dog’s bark. It could affect her rear leg coordination and cause falling. At 14, it could be a lot of things. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

    If your vet wants to vaccinate a 14 year old dog, find another vet. If your dog doesn’t have immunity by now, it’s unlikely she ever will. If you want proof, get a parvo/distemper titer test. Here’s an article about eliminating unnecessary shots. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

  204. Joe Welch Says:

    I was wondering if the potential for adverse effects from rabies vaccines can travel in families. I have 4 Brittanies. Mom, Dad, Son and Daughter. Every one has had long term adverse effects from rabies vaccines including seizure disorder.
    Thanks for your time,
    Joe

  205. Jan Says:

    Joe, a propensity for any vaccine reaction can exist in families. I hope you’re getting the reactions recorded in detail in your dogs’ files so you can try to get an exemption from the vaccination the next time around. If you have to vaccinate, please read the article first: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/ Also, look for my upcoming article on what to do when you dog has a reaction. I’m posting it later today at http://www.truth4dogs.com

    In the meantime, I hope you’re seeing a holistic vet, especially one skilled in homeopathy, to “clear” the vaccine. Both of my dogs are being cleared now. See the holistic vet referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Homeopathy can make a big difference in long term health.

    If you have any documentation about the reactions in all the family members, let me know. I know some experts who’d like to see it.

  206. Vivian Says:

    My 12 year old terrier has had annual shots and this year for the first time the vet suggested 3 year rabies and distemper. i did the 3 year and rodey was absolutely fine until today. Now a day later he is very lethargic and acts scared of me. When i take him outside to potty he shivers and the hair on his back stands up. Could it be that he could’nt handle the 3 year dose? I dont know anything about dosage but i guess he got a different kind or more of it than a 1 year dose? I am so upset that he is sad and possibly in pain. How long before i take him to the vet for the lethargy?

  207. Amanda Wheat Says:

    I got my bassett’s rabies shot on 12-1-10 and from that evening on she has become aggressive and rather mean, threatening to bite and has come very close. I would like to know if this is something that will straighten out or not.

  208. Jan Says:

    Amanda, This is a well-known problem. I doubt it will disappear on it’s own and I fear your dog will develop bad habits before it does. Aggressive dogs may injure someone. If she bites a stranger, you’ll have all sorts of trouble.

    You’ll need a vet who is certified in homeopathy. There’s a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet I know of no other treatment that will help. If you can’t find a vet in your area, write me again. I know vets who will do phone consults. Also know that many homeopaths that work on people are also certified for animals.

    You also need to report the reaction, to your vet, the USDA and drug company. Report the problem to your own vet immediately. If your vet understands that this is a rabies vaccine reaction, he/she may help you get reimbursement from the drug company. If your vet doesn’t understand this, write me again. There’s a vet who will consult with your own vet at no charge.

    Don’t ignore this problem. Aggressive dogs too often end up in shelters and worse!

    Also, please read this article on What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction
    http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

  209. Jan Says:

    Vivian, although I replied to you privately, I wanted to post my answer of my blog in case someone else needs help. I hope your dog is feeling better.

    — I’m not a vet, and I’m not sure your vet is either. Why is a 12 year old dog getting a puppy distemper shot? And why on earth would the vet give the vaccine with the rabies vaccine at the same time? No wonder you dog feels bad.

    BTW, the 3 year rabies vaccine dose is correct. But the distemper is not indicated for an adult and certainly not at the same time as the distemper shot. Please read the article on reactions at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/. Don’t worry about lethargy, if that’s the only reaction. It’s relatively mild and should go away quickly. But don’t go back to that vet after you’ve reported the reaction and gotten a copy of the file. And please read the article above.

  210. Mary Jo Says:

    I need answers, I took my 13 year old chiuahua mix for a rabies shot on 11/01/10. On 11/08/10 she was not herself on 11/09/10. I came home from work to find a dog who was arching her back, shaking, panting and in in pain. Could this be from the rabies vaccine. She has been to the vet numerous times they say no and that she hurt her back although she did not do anything that I am aware of that would cause such pain. she has had xrays and nothing shows as being out of sorts. They gave her a cold laser treatment which did not help at all. She hangs her hed down and cocks it to the left. I am really worried and have not gotten any concrete answers from my vet. She is on pain meds was on muscle relaxants after a week since I had given her a baby aspirin they put her on predisone. She had to take calfate for awhile since they said the aspirin upset her stomach. Help me if you can or direct me where to get answers.

  211. Mary Jo Says:

    I need answers, I took my 13 year old chiuahua mix for a rabies shot on 11/01/10. On 11/08/10 she was not herself on 11/09/10. I came home from work to find a dog who was arching her back, shaking, panting and in in pain. Could this be from the rabies vaccine. She has been to the vet numerous times they say no and that she hurt her back although she did not do anything that I am aware of that would cause such pain. she has had xrays and nothing shows as being out of sorts. They gave her a cold laser treatment which did not help at all. She hangs her hed down and cocks it to the left. I am really worried and have not gotten any concrete answers from my vet. She is on pain meds was on muscle relaxants after a week since I had given her a baby aspirin they put her on predisone. She had to take calfate for awhile since they said the aspirin upset her stomach. Help me if you can or direct me where to get answers.

  212. jenn Says:

    quite frankly, i’m scared. i wouldn’t have dreamed of considering getting our mastiff vaccinated, except for the fact that i just read about that new strain of rabies spreading through casual (supposedly, much like the flu is spread) contact in foxes and skunks.

    now i want to get our dog vaccinated, but i’ve got a few questions:

    is the human vaccine any safer than the dog vaccine?

    what are the differences?

    since our dog weighs as much as a full-grown human, if the human vaccine is safer, can we just get her vaccinated with the human vaccine?

    i’ve heard you’re supposed to opt for an injection site as close to the hind foot as possible in case of VAC, does this reduce efficacy?

    i’m really wary of vaccinating our pets since my beloved cat died of renal failure that his internal medicine specialist attributed to vaccination, but i also don’t want my dog to get rabies. i wouldn’t have thought much of it since we have a fenced yard, but we do live in an area that has skunks and coyotes. if this new strain is spread like the flu, it might be possible for her to contract it through the fence. any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  213. Jan Says:

    Jenn, scroll down to “Rabies in Humans” and read the area in tiny print at http://www.nwcphp.org/docs/rabies/Rabepi.html In my experience, rabies has always been contracted from a bite. If it were airborne in the population, humans would also be in danger. It would surely be headline news. Every vet and newscaster in the country would be warning about it and drug companies would be promoting their new vaccines. But even if there were a new virus, old vaccines don’t usually protect against new viruses. In any event, use a canine vaccine on a dog not a human vaccine if you vaccinate. And have a vet do. While you’re there, ask your question. If you have any written “proof” of this new virus, please send it to me.

  214. Patricia Hval Says:

    Hi, there. I need some help NOW for my 9 year-old Yorkie, Bishop. Nine days ago,he had a rabies vaccination. Two days after the shot, he was having a terrible time walking – his back legs were “knuckle-dragging”. Today, he had explosive diarhhea, very black in color and his ability to walk is getting worse by the hour. I took him in to his vet, who said that no reaction to the virus was possible after the first hour after the shot. In the past, Bishop has had reactions – once he starting throwing up and had a very bad time breathing. His vet at the time said to bring him right in – a shot of (I think) benadryl saved his life. The second time he had a reaction after 4 -6 weeks – trouble walking. I did not connect that to his vaccination until this time when his (never perfect) walking got immediately worse. What can I do? This vet will not help – took some blood to do a panel and gave me some pills for upset tummy. In the mean time, Bishop is deteriorating so quickly! The link to your list of holistic vets is not working. Can you recommend someone in southern RI or eastern CT? Today is Sat. – will anyone have office hours? I read that Thuja is often prescribed. If I can get it at my loca herb shop, should I try it until I can find a holistic vet? I am so worried that I will have to wait until Monday – I am concerned that Bishop will be paralyzed by then. Any help much appreciated! Patricia

  215. Traci Says:

    My 11 1/2 year old maltese was mistakenly given 2 rabie shots within 1 year. I’m very concerned and worries. my dog has a heart condition. Are there any negative side effects?

  216. Traci Says:

    My 11 1/2 year old maltese was mistakenly given 2 rabie shots within 1 year. I’m very concerned and worried. my dog has a heart condition. Are there any negative side effects?

    His first rabies shot was in April 2010 and he was given another one in March 2011.

  217. Stephanie Lee Says:

    Hi, I own a 1.5 year old Chihuahua/Pomeranian mix, and we had to take him to the vet because the LA county animal police came and needed the certificate for my dogs rabies certificate and license. We went to the vet and our dog ended up taking 3 shots, the rabies vaccine, Nobivac DAPPvL+Cv. And two days later we got him neutered, and its been 2 days after his surgery, he is in so much pain, and has an huge bump on his hip (which is where the rabies site is). I took him in to the vet because he needed antibiotics for the surgery and I told him about the bump and I think he but antibiotics plus something else and injected it into the lump. He has been shaking so much, so I did research about shots and lumps and found all these articles about the dangerous effects of combo shots and rabies shots. I am so sad, i started crying. I am EXTREMELY worried. I am so upset my vet didnt tell me it was so dangerous, i thought it was fine, and now, i am just so so so sad i put my little dog through so much.. should i be worried? Is the Nobivac DAPPvL and Cv shots considered combination shots?? PLEASE PLEASE HELP.

  218. Jan Says:

    Stephanie, yes, you should be worried. Your vet should have just given the rabies vaccine which was required by law. Then weeks later neutered the dog. Then weeks later assessed what other shots your dog should have been given — which is likely NONE. What was the hurry?

    You need a vet trained in homeopathy to treat your dog. See the referral lists a http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet

    Please read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Report your vet for not informing you about the side effects and for not following established vaccine procedures. You should not pay a penny for treating your dog. Tell the vet the treatment costs are on him/her. And report the reactions to the USDA and the vaccine manufacturer. To learn about unnecessary shots: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    Stop crying and take action. You dog needs you to take action now! If you need documentation to get that vet, let me know. Take action or this will happen again to someone else’s dog.

  219. Jan Says:

    Traci, you need a vet trained in homeopathy to treat your dog for long term reactions. See the referral lists a http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet If you haven’t seen a health problem, you’re likely out of the woods, but homeopathy can help your dog’s long term health. If the mistake was your fault, shame on you. If it was your vet’s fault, go after him/her. Report the vet to your state board. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ They won’t do anything, but you can cause him/her embarrassment for his/her negligence.

  220. Jan Says:

    Traci, if you’re concerned about your dog’s heart, see a vet. I’m not a vet, but I haven’t heard of a link from the rabies vaccine to a heart problem. But it can affect general health.

  221. Chloe Says:

    Hi! I need HELP!

    I have a toy red poodle she is 4.5 pounds. I got her in January she was almost 1 yo and had no rabies shot. (i rescued her) I took her to the vet to get a well check and rabies shot. They gave her a little pain med shot before the rabies shot because they said she was so small. They gave it to her in her back left leg. And put Advantage on her because she had fleas from the awful house she was in. She seemed fine after the vet.

    The past few months I’ve noticed licking/biting the feet but vet doesn’t want to put her on steroids. About a month ago I noticed extreme hair loss near the injection site with a scab/brown spot in the middle. I took her to the vet again and they said it was a reaction to the rabies shot and they see it often in poodles. I asked what her next shot will be like and they said she could have no effect or a severe one and lose all hair.

    I’m a new dog owner so I didn’t check the brand or amount they were giving her (I didn’t know rabies shot has such effects). It says on her rabies paper mfg by: FT DO Not sure what that means!

    I was wondering what I should do for her now and in the future. Have you seen this happen before? What brand/amount should she have next January? Do you recommend 1 yr or 3 yr ?

    Thanks for your help! I would appreciate any answer! :)

  222. Jan Says:

    Hi Chloe. Did your vet report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer? FT DO means the manufacturer was Fort Dodge, which is owner by Pfizer. You should get the record of the reaction which should be in your vet’s file. Your vet should have reported the reaction but probably didn’t. It’s not too late to try. Read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Check http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies-laws for the law in your state, but know that some local areas allow exemptions even when the law says otherwise.

    About the skin disease, you might see if this sounds like what your dog had: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/category/skin-disease/

    Ask your vet to ask Animal Control for a medical exemption for your dog’s next rabies shot. If your vet refuses, find a vet skilled in homeopathy. For referrals: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets That new vet may be more knowledgeable about vaccination reactions and treating them. The biting/licking of the feet are probably also reactions and homeopathy is your best bet for treating it. This vet can also help improve the safety of the shot if your dog has to have one.

  223. huntington beach pet vet Says:

    It’s an important shot for dogs but it’s definitely worth it to know the risks. There’s risks for all vaccinations but the benefits usually tend to outweigh the risks.

  224. Devan Says:

    I just stumbled upon this site and I wanted to say that I had no idea that a dog could have a very bad reaction to the shot. Well, on May 3rd, 2011, we took all of our dogs to the vet to get their shots. We have a golden, two boxer-mixes, and 7 chihuahuas. While we love ALL of our dogs, the mother of the chihuahuas was especially close to my mother. That Friday, the 6th, we thought she had gotten out, so we spent hours looking for her in the rain. We later found her dead under the couch. She was a perfectly healthy, energetic chihuahua until she got that shot. She will be missed terribly.

  225. Jan Says:

    Devan, how heartbreaking. I’m so sorry. I bet you’d be surprised to learn that your chihuahua got the same dosage as your big dogs.

    You mentioned they had their “shots.” Did they have others as well? Small dogs have a much bigger chance of a reaction to multiple vaccines, and your vet should know that. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/ Make sure you tell your vet if you already haven’t.

    Also, most adult dogs don’t need puppy shots. Learn why you should eliminate unnecessary shots, and which ones to eliminate, at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    It is vitally important that you report your dog’s death to the USDA and especially the vaccine manufacturer. Your vet should do it, but they often don’t. The manufacturer may give you some compensation. At the very least, they need to know what happened. Find info on reporting here: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

  226. ron mordan Says:

    please contact me. we just lost our 13 wk. old yellow lab, Eli on wednesday may,11. he was born on feb.10, 2011. my 18 yr old daughter took him for his first appoint. (after breeders initial puppy visit). he was then ten wks old on april 22 and according to my daughter and her friend the attending vet had tech administer shots which mistakingly included a rabies vaccine. this became apparent to daughter when vet saw rabies sticker on chart and he commented that rabies shot wasnt scheduled so they would not charge for that, as he peeled sticker off and discarded. I am totally sickened over this and fear this is what killed him. started as lack of interest to eat ( thought just growth spurts) frequent “hiccup” events, profuse vomitting and finally snout swelled terribly while at vets for a day and a half for what we thought may be parvo. went into kidney failure after we visited with him on wednesday may 11, midday when we were told all tests were good, xrays etc. he died that evening around 7:30 after cardiac arrest. we are traumatized as we lost a great dog. vet offered to do autopsy free of charge. we approved. while visiting with our dead puppy midday thursday i informed owner/vet of colleague’s administering of rabies vaccine and removal of rabies vaccine verification. he said he would look into it. we took body home last night and lovingly buried. last night call from vet stated everything looked good inside but would send kidney samples away for further testing to determine cause. said it looks like possibly rat poison or anti-freeze. we also have two cats that roam freely outside when they desire as we live in country so i think that would rule out antifreeze and no rat poison on site for 10 years that we have been there. please any info would be greatly appreciated as this wonderful puppy can never be replaced. thank you in advance.

  227. Lindsey Says:

    I have a 7 week old chihuahua which will eventually get her parvo and distemper vaccines and then later, her rabies shot. I want to protect her from any side effects of these shots, so I want to purchase Thuja and Lyssin. Where should I buy them from? And how much do I give her? She will be older when she gets the rabies shot. She should get no bigger than 5 lbs. when fully grown. So what is your recommendation for the dosing of these 2 products to help reduce any side effects she might have? Thanks!

  228. Jan Says:

    Hi Lindsey. You can get the products and instructions from Marina at http://www.naturalrearing.com

    Be sure to keep your dogs away from other puppies and unvaccinated adults, and all dog parks, until you vaccinate them. So nice to hear from people looking before they leap!

  229. Lindsey Says:

    Hi Jan, thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I didn’t know about how bad these shots were w/ my 2 other chihuahuas. One is 4 years old and the other 2 years old. Both had severe allergic reactions to the vaccines. I no longer am giving them anymore shots because I’m scared to. When I asked my old vet why they give the same amount to a little chihuahua as they do a big dog he said it’s protocol. I was upset, and I told him it is ridiculous! I found a vet with this new puppy who will do only distemper and parvo and will also reduce the amount. He is willing to give her only 1/2 the dose or less depending on her size. I was happy to hear this. I wish more vets are willing to work with pet owners and stop pushing these harmful drugs on them. I don’t even vaccinate my own children, none of them has ever had a vaccine in their life and they are healthy and happy kids! :)

  230. Shannon Says:

    I have a miniature schnauzer puppy that had coccidia and double ear infection when I purchased him from the breeder. He was treated with antibiotics for over 20 days for this. It was a pretty bad case and kept returning after he went off meds. He weighed 1.1 lbs at 13 wks. I purchased some Kocci Free and it zapped it immediately. Anyway, that is just background to say I believe his immune system was compromised before vaccines. He received his last round of shots (5 in all) including rabies on Wed, May 25. On Friday, May 27 (yesterday) almost exactly 48 hrs later he had a seizure complete with hours of paralysis and dazedness. I rushed him to the vet not knowing what was wrong or what to do. Same vet that vaccinated him I must add. They ridiculed me for thinking it could be the vaccine and ran all kinds of blood work, urinalysis and wanted me to bring him back in today for a liver shunt test. The puppy now weighs 8.3 lbs (7 weeks after I got him he weighs 7 lbs more!) and eats well and is playful, thriving, growing like a weed. He exhibits absolutely now other symptoms of liver shunt other than having a seizure. Needless to say, I didn’t take him back this morning. He seems perfectly fine today…thank God. I have made an appointment with a holistic vet for early next week instead. I had no idea about the dangers of vaccines until I started researching after the horrendous events of yesterday. This information needs to get out there for all pet owners!!!! Thank you for your site!

  231. Jan Says:

    Shannon, your puppy is lucky to have a careful, skeptical mom. I’m delighted to hear a happy ending for a change.

    Please read this article and take steps to report the reaction. I’d also want my money back from that vet. Pretending that the shots weren’t the most likely cause of the illness, and wanting to do expensive tests, is horrible!

    I hope you’ll also read this article about eliminating unnecessary shots: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    Good luck with your dog’s continued recovery.

  232. Jack Says:

    Last night there was a bat in my house and my dog was not in a room. I don’t know if that bat bit him but he was vaccinated with the rabies shot. Does that mean hes safe?

  233. Jan Says:

    Jack, it depends. If your dog is young and had the “one-year” shot and it’s within a year, yes. If your dog had the one-year shot (usually at or before 6 mos of age), then had a follow-up three-year shot a year later, and it’s within 3 years, yes. In fact, blood tests indicate that the 3-year shot can last seven years or longer in many dogs. Also, don’t forget that the bat would have to have been rabid to pass on rabies. You should call your vet for clarification.

  234. Charmaine Says:

    Our Dog Mickey is a Weimaraner. He is 4 1/2 yrs old. I believe in not over vaccinating and use titers. Problem is the rabies. I had postponed it as long as I could because his license needs to be renewed and it required a new rabies vaccine. I dosed Mickey with a homeopathic remedy but still 21 hours after his rabies vaccine we were off to emergency. He had vomited and his face, head mouth & ears were swelling with large hives. He is recuperating now and on the second day after the reaction, the swelling is almost all gone. He is eating fine and all seems OK. Mickey was a puppymill rescue. He also has discoid lupus that I believe was a result of all the vaccines before he got to us. He will never have another rabies…he can’t. Although he is recovering, I am scared now for any future problems from this vaccine.

  235. Jan Says:

    Charmaine, I would have thought your vet would have suggested an exemption to rabies vaccination if it’s allowed in your state. If not, get to work! More and more states are allowing exemptions. See the Facebook page for The Rabies Challenge Fund for more information.

    I hope you’ll read this article about what to do after a reaction to the rabies vaccine. Good luck! http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

  236. Sarah Says:

    I just found this site. I had two dogs, terriers, who had complications from vaccines. My first one had kidney failure within48 hours after her shots. I am not sure what shots she got at the time. My dog who is now 16 yo, developed epilepsy after her shots when she was 12 weeks old. It was a long time ago, I do not know what all she got, I’m assuming everything they give at that age. She was having a dozen big seizures a day and was on heavy meds. I started taking her to a vet who does chiropractic and within a couple of adjustments, she stopped having seizures and went off the meds.

    I have a 14 week old puppy now. I use a holistic vet now, he does chiropractic and knows a lot about vaccines. He recommended doing only parvo and distemper at 12 weeks (breeder had done the first two at 6 and 8 weeks). Then he recommends rabies at 4 months. but is fine with waiting or not doing any vaccine, it is up to us. I had asked him about separating the parvo and distemper and there is a mercury free parvo shot. He said there had been more issues with the mercury free one than the regular one. The shot she got just has those two in it, he does not recommend anything else, he says the lepto vaccines has the most side effects. He does recommend rabies because of how horrible it is and has the potential to affect humans if they get bit. He has not seen any issues with the rabies vaccine.

    He suggests doing titers for parvo and distemper and rabies in the future to see where their immunity is before deciding if to revaccinate. He has been in practice 30 years and is way more knowledgeable than most vets about vaccine issues. He has grown kids and never vaccinated them, but pets are different, but its great to have someone who actually does research for himself and doens’t follow the party line.

    I’m still not sure about the rabies vaccine, it makes me nervous after reading everything here. We will wait until at least 6 months if we do it. Getting it is so horrible though, and our terrier is a ratter. She is very fast and chases any animals, so I do fear the possibility of getting it, although our vet says its mostly in bats. Our county does require rabies to get licensed, but they do not ask for proof (someone mentioned that above).

    Also, I would love to hear of any ways I can help protect my puppy from side effects from the rabies vaccine if we do it.

    Thanks

  237. Jan Says:

    Sarah, it sounds like you’ve found a good vet.

    Re rabies, it’s mostly bats and raccoons and coyotes that are responsible. To help protect your dog when getting the rabies vaccine (which is responsible for more reactions reported to the USDA than any other shot), please read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/ Your vet is right about the dangers of Leptospirosis; it’s particularly dangerous for small dogs, and isn’t needed at all in many areas.

    Thanks for taking the time to share your story.

  238. Diana Says:

    About four years ago my 12 lb. Papillon had a reaction after receiving his required rabies shot. We had already left the vet office and traveled 20 mins. home when I noticed my little boy was acting strangely, almost frantic. He began to drool and then I noticed that his little face was beginning to swell. I immediately rushed him back to the vet office where they took him to the back and gave him shots of epinephrine and steroids. This treatment relieved his symptoms. From that point on, whenever he’s due for his shots, he’s always given a shot of steroid first, which always works but always mades me very nervous. This time, it was the same routine: steroid shot first followed by the rabies shot without incident. However, this time I am convinced that my 11 year old Papillon is somehow different following his rabies shot. It’s been several weeks and he remains unusually quiet and withdrawn. And several people in our household have commented that he seems to have suffered a hearing loss since the rabies shot. He no longer hears me enter the house as he had before. He doesn’t hear me call at a normal tone of voice as he had previously. It’s like he’s aged several years in that one day. This is very distressing to me and I’m not sure how to proceed.
    Thank you,
    Diana

  239. Jan Says:

    Diana, you need a new vet. Why doesn’t your dog have a medical exemption from rabies vaccination. Many areas allow them.

    Also, why is your dog being vaccinated for anything else. Adult dogs don’t need puppy shots. You can take a simple blood titer test to prove immunity for the important vaccines, parvo and distemper. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/10/22/titer-test/ And please read this about unnecessary shots: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    To proceed with helping your dog now, please read this article about vaccination reactions. Only the first part doesn’t apply. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

  240. stephanie Says:

    I just wanted to say thank you for all the information you have concerning the rabies vaccination on dogs on your website. Recently my 5 year old yorkie was given her rabies shot for the year and suddenly started acting funny and not normal. We thought maybe she had a minor illness but started to look worse with not eating and could barely use her hind legs.

    My mother took her into the vet and they told her that our dog, Layla, probably had Leptospirosis which is a disease that attacks the liver. Her x-rays showed her liver was enlarged and had pushed her stomach to the side keeping her hunger low. I was confused at to what this disease was and how she could have got it so I came home immediately, especially when I heard that the vet said she was probably terminal, and did some research because something just did not sound right. How does an incredibly healthy 5 year old yorkie just all of a sudden become terminally ill when the only place she goes is our well groomed backyard???

    I found out leptospirosis comes from a bacteria that grows in “unsightly environments” and “TROPICAL regions” and is carried by wild animals. As much as I would love our newly built suburb, 45 min outside, chicago to be in a TROPICAL region, none of those statements matched where we lived. Also, her side effects weren’t all listed under the effects from Leptospirosis. I then remembered her shot was not that long ago and search effects from the vaccine.Voila! I saw your site. Your site showed everything that Layla had and described everything that was happening down to the details. I read everything you have on there and started going into depth with research about the vaccine, even the legal stuff. So we got our pup on antibiotics and kept forcing a baby bottle of water down her. My family took shifts coming home to bottle feed her and slowly started seeing her get better:) She is now almost 100% when the doctor first told us that we should get emotionally ready to “put her down”. Because I refused to believe what the vet was telling us and because of your information I found she is now at home running around and barking like usual saving our house from anything and everything that moves.

    Our vet won’t even talk about the possibility that it was the rabies shot and has no explanation as to why it wouldn’t be. Here’s to say we DO NOT go to that same vet anymore. Therefore, I want to thank you again for the information you have posted. It helped save my puppy, inform us about the vaccine and kept my mom from going through something she doesn’t even want to imagine, loosing a best friend. :) THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS:)

  241. Jan Says:

    Stephanie, thanks so much for posting your comment. I’m so glad you used your own not-so-common sense over the complete lack of your vet’s sense. I’m especially glad you had a happy ending. I’m a little confused about the antibiotics and why they were given. In any event, get some probiotics from a good pet store or health food store. You’ll need to grow good bacteria in your dog’s intestines; antibiotics destroy the good with the bad.

    Now, some important things to do. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file and then get a copy of the file. You’ll need the vaccine serial #, brand and lot #. And you’ll want to file for an exemption next time. Also, you MUST report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. There’s more about what to do and how to do it. What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction Reporting the reaction may get you some financial reimbursement. At the least, it will add to the evidence that the rabies vaccine can be dangerous.

    Thanks for being such a good dog mom.

  242. Laura Behdjou Says:

    It would be great if you let dog owners know that they have a choice between Metal based vs. Non Metal based Rabies Shots. The Metal based have Mercury. My Huskey “Prior” I had to put down at 23 months because 2 days after his Rabies shot he started having “uncontrollable seizures. After doing research, getting lot number,manufacturer info. I contacted the co. Imrab was the shot and it had Mercury. I was sick.over this and at this point, not only was I making his food which he was better on…but I couldn’t control his seizures…very sad because he was beautiful and so young:(

  243. Jan Says:

    Laura B: I’m so sorry for your loss.Thank you for posting your story.

    As it happens, my last blog post covered the subject of mercury (thimerosol) in rabies vaccines. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/08/23/rabies-vaccination-caution-the-devil-is-in-the-details/

    I hope you reported the death and admonished your vet for not giving you an option or at least told you that mercury can be harmful. Also, your vet should have reported the reaction. If not, I’d surely want to know why not.

    There is reporting info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Nothing will change until all reactions are reported. You may also get some compensation for your loss.

    Take care. I know how horrible losing a dog can be.

    Jan

  244. Becky Says:

    Hi Jan,
    I have a 2 1/2 year old Boston Terrier/French Bulldog mix. He came in contact with a live bat this weekend (about 5 days ago). My dog was current on his rabies vaccine which is good through Sept. 2013 (the 3 year shot) & the day that he found the bat I took him to the vet. They examined him & said that it didn’t look like there were any bites or scratches on him & they came him a rabies booster shot as a precautionary measure. He is doing well & acting completely normal. Animal Control took the bat the day my dog found it & tested it for rabies. We just found out that the bat tested positive for rabies. Animal Control advised that the bat did not look like it had any bites or scratches either. So my dog has to stay in our house for 45 days with no contact with other animals so that we can observe his behavior to make sure that he does not start showing any symptoms of rabies. I’m still just so worried that he will have rabies from that bat. I have heard that the incubation period for rabies can sometimes be 3 – 6 months….sometimes even up to a year! Is that accurate? Do you think I should be worried or do you think that the rabies vaccine & the booster shot that he got will protect him? That’s what the vaccine is for anyway, right? Since there was no blood transfer, I would think that that rabies vaccine & booster would have to protect him if there happened to be any saliva transfer. But I’m just to worried & confused. I cannot even think of losing my beloved dog. I just want to feel at ease knowing that he will be okay. Another concern that I have is that I’m 23 weeks pregnant & I’m just concerned about the threat of rabies to me or my baby. I know that I might just be over-reacting, but I just did realize what a terrible disease rabies is. My doctor, my dog’s vet, & Animal Control have advised that there is no threat to me or the baby because my dog was vaccinated & boostered. But again, I just cannot stop worrying about it & all the “what if’s”. My dog is very affectionate & licks us all the time & I’m assuming that is still okay, but I just want to be sure. I don’t want to feel like I have to wash my hands everytime I play with him or touch him. I think that I’m just a very worried dog-mom & soon to be human baby mom. :) Any advice or answers you can send me would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you,
    Becky

  245. Jan Says:

    Becky, relax! The three year shot has been proven to the satisfaction of the USDA, and is guaranteed by the drug manufacturer, to provide protection for three years. In fact, it’s likely to protect much longer. Call the drug manufacturer is you’re still worried.

    You get rabies from a bite from a rabid animal. That means, the vaccine would have to fail (extemely unlikely)and your dog would have to develop the disease and bite you. You would surely see symptoms before that happened.

    There’s more info at these sites, particularly at the CDC, but don’t make yourself crazy researching. http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=rabies+information&s_it=keyword_rollover Trust your vet.

    Vaccines are meant to prevent disease. That’s why you got it.

    One more thought: watch your dog closely for signs of illness — NOT from rabies but from two rabies shots given within a short period of time. That’s a big stressor on your dog’s immune system. Write again, or see a vet with training in homeopathy, if your dog seems ill. And again, relax!

  246. Chris J. Says:

    Hi, We have a 3 month old border colie- lab and 2 weeks ago she had her 3rd series of shots and her rabies shot. Now 1 week after getting the shot she has a marble sized lump at the injection site. I called the vet’s office and they told me that was probably from her rabies shot and we should watch it. That it should dissovle in a month or so. We are scared to death for her. We have read the info on reactions to the shot and we are worried!!! Any suggestions??? Thank You VERY much! Chris and Bruce

  247. Jan Says:

    Chris, relax. Lumps are fairly common. Injection site cancers are rare in dogs, less rare in cats.

    Your vet is right. Watch the lump for a month and see what happens. Take photos so you can monitor change. Be sure that your vet records the exact location of the lump in your dog’s file. Have the vet note that it is a vaccine reaction and note which vaccine. THIS IS IMPORTANT. Also get the vaccine brand, lot #, and manufacturer and report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. If you have to take a biopsy at some point, you’ll want to try to get them to pay for it.

    If the lumps don’t go away and you want more info, please write again. Also, if you can afford it, I’d find a vet trained in homeopathy to treat your dog — to “clear” the bad effects of the vaccine. I have referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets Or write again if you want to find a vet who does phone consults. And here’s an article you should read on What to Do If Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction. Just skip the beginning. ht

    One more thing. Try not to be nervous around your dog. She doesn’t need the stress and neither do you!

  248. Sonia Says:

    I took my sons blue nose pit to get his vaccinations, at that time he was only three months old. Unfortunately, the MA that administered the injection gave the rabies shot to my dog assuming that it was the correct dog. She did not confirm that she was giving the shot to the right dog, nor did she even ask the dogs name. I confirmed with the vet that an early rabies shot would not hurt the dog.
    My question is: Now he is stiff from the back leg thigh muscles. He walks or hops like a bunny. Could this be a side of effect of rabies vac given early before four months old?

    Sonia

  249. Jan Says:

    Hi Sonia. Can early rabies vaccination be a problem? Yes. Is the stiffness an adverse reaction? Probably, if it is the side where the shot was given. Your dog might have still had the same reaction at 4 months, but vaccination is safer and more effective when the dog’s immune system is more mature.

    Please read the last half of this article on what to do when your dog has a vaccine reaction. It’s especially important that you report the reaction to the drug maker and get it recorded in your dog’s file.

    If your dog doesn’t feel better soon, please write again. Leg problems can cause long-term back problems. Your dog’s system may also be stressed in other ways.

    Keep an eye on that vet. He/she didn’t monitor his assistant well. And his response to your question wasn’t entirely accurate.

  250. Robin Says:

    My beautiful baby is dead. I believe it was because of the Rabies Vaccine. At approx 6-7mo old my baby boy went from being a goofy happy trusting pup to a fearful anxious aggressive mess. He got further and further away mentally. He soon was afraid of everything from paper to blankets, the ceiling cars, tv noise, everything was a trigger. After multiple vets and medications and nothing physical found to be wrong with him, we caved to the vets and had him euthanized. He lived in terror of so many things I didn’t know how to protect him from life. No one believed it about rabies vaccinosis and so my baby is dead and we are left heart broken. I will never have any of my dogs vaccinated again.

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  252. Melvin Tarrance Says:

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  253. Reality check Says:

    This information is highly entertaining. If any of you know anything about the veterinary field then you would understand that Rabies itself is 100% DEADLY! Soooo your choices are, risk your dogs health for certain death or you can vaccinate your dogs against Rabies and risk the miniscule chance that there is a reaction. If any of your animals ever is suspected of having been infected with Rabies, you must have them decapitated and their heads sent off to a lab where strangers can evaluate their brain. I am sorry but I never want to have to decapitate my animal due to my own stupidity. If you are so adamant about not vaccinating your dog, then please keep them isolated from the public and also make sure mice, rats and bats cannot get into your home. One bite from a bat could mean certain death for your beloved friend.

  254. Jan Says:

    Reality, mice don’t carry rabies, nor do rats. There are few cases of canine rabies in the US. And many if not most localities now permit house quarantine for dogs suspected to be bitten by a rabid animal.

    Furthermore, I am not against vaccination. I am against needless over-vaccination and vaccination of unhealthy animals (which can lead to a false confidence because the immune system of an unhealthy animal does not function properly).

  255. Jen Says:

    Hello There,

    I came across your website after Google-ing Rabies Vaccine Reactions in dogs. I took my dog/four legged child to the vet for a routine rabies vaccination and ended up returning to the vet the same day with a dog covered in hives, unable to breath and a puffy/swollen face. She was given an injection of benedryl and cortisone to calm the reaction. This was just last week on Thursday.

    After a normal weekend, the last few days she is red and uncontrollably itchy. Itching to the point that her fur is falling out and her skin just feels on fire. She’s obviously upset and not feeling well and therefore not eating. I’m taking her back to the vet tomorrow for a “re-check” and I already know they are going to say that it can’t possibly be from the vaccine.

    She has a history of skin allergies and food allergic reactions, which this vet was well aware of before the vaccine. She never had an issue with rabies vaccines prior to this. I know they will give her an anti-itch/steroid and probably an antibiotic, which will quell the symptoms for a bit but they will return and the vet will continue to blame it on on-going seasonal/skin allergies.

    I feel terrible for my dog. I know she is feeling miserable. We don’t have a ton of extra money to be spending on expensive tests, constant vet visits and meds. I just want an answer and I want the vet to recognize he was in the wrong for giving her the shot without precautions. I can’t help but wonder if all her pre-existing “seasonal allergies” were actually a building reaction from her history of regular vaccines??? She’s never been tested for allergies because $800 is a ridiculous amount of money for allergy testing.

    I am going to pursue obtaining a legal exemption from my local animal control office. Sorry for the rant, but I just wanted to let you know I appreciate the information you are making available! Also, I’m wondering if finding a holistic vet would be the next avenue to pursue? Will traditional vets treat a dog with a rabies exemption?

  256. Jan Says:

    Jen, I wish I could say your story is unusual, but it’s not. Your instincts seem to be right about everything.

    A holistic vet is your best bet. They know how to treat allergies and vaccine problems. Please read the second half of this article: What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction Be sure to report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. They should help pay for treatment.

    You’ll find a referral list for vets with homeopathy experience at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet If you can’f find a local vet, write me back. My own vet does phone consults at $2.50/minute, a minimum of 10 minutes ($25). She has a lot of experience in treating vaccinosis. Of course, a vet near you will be best. Where do you live?

    I hope this helps.

  257. Patti Gray Says:

    Hi Jan,

    I still need to read more on your post about vaccines in Dogs Naturally Magazine and I have a valid concern regarding rabies vaccination. I even called my vets office and they agree but have to go by CA guidelines.

    I have an 8 pound Yorkie and he is given an amount for rabies that a 70 pound dog would get.
    This is very upsetting! If they measure out the other vaccines according to weight, why not rabies???

    I belong to a Yorkie forum. Some of the members Yorkies have gotten sick, died, or come down with serious ailments. We can’t help but believe it could be from the overdosing of vaccines and are very concerned about the amount of rabies vaccine they are given.

    One woman’s 3 pound Yorkie, died of very invasive cancer, and he was only three years old! My dog just turned three and I DO NOT want him to be given such a large does for rabies.

    Do you know anything in regards to such a large amount given to small dogs?
    Or, can you direct me somewhere to read up on it?

    Also, is there anyway of changing this? I don’t know where to begin to challenge this but would very much like to.

    I liked your article. It was very informative and happy to see changes being taken by people who care about our pets.

    Thank you for any help or information you can give me.

  258. Jan Says:

    Hi Patti. Dogs, from Chihuahuas to Great Danes get the same dose. Drs. Ron Schultz and Jean Dodds, both world-renowned authorites on vaccination, and particularly on the rabies vaccine, disagree on dosing. Ron says the full dose is necessary, even for small dogs. He performs much of the research on vaccination and should know. Jean, who also should know, gives a partial dose to smaller dogs. Lots of holistically-minded vets do. You cannot legally give a partial rabies vaccine dose, however.

    You ask, is there anyway of changing this? I have very small dogs, so this matter is of great concern to me, but I don’t see much chance for changing the dose because it would require a very expensive 3 or more year study under USDA rules. No vaccine company would fund it because it’s not in their interest.

    Our best bet for some change is the Rabies Challenge Fund (RCF). Drs. Schultz and Dodds are volunteering their time trying to prove that the rabies vaccine lasts for 5, then for 7, years. They already know it does because of blood studies, and because of a 5 yr. study in France years ago, but the USDA insists on a US study. This is very expensive and funded only by dog lovers. Learn more at http://www.rabieschallengefund.org Donations are tax deductible. I think it’s the most important donation a dog lover can make because it will benefit all dogs.

    I organized a benefit seminar for veterinarians, dog lovers and dog trainers last year benefiting the RCF. I made a two-hour DVD of the two experts speaking and answering questions about vaccination at this seminar. They talk about the dosing issue. All proceeds except actually shipping costs benefit the RCF. Read more about it here: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/saferpet

    In the meantime, I hope you’ll read, and pass around, my article on how to vaccinate more safely with the rabies vaccine.
    http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

    Wish I had better news about the dosing option, but I’m afraid I don’t.

  259. Patti Gray Says:

    I wanted to thank you for your fast and informative response. I am saddened about the answer too. They are killing our babies!
    I have been reading and reading and I can’t believe what I am hearing. This is outrageous!
    My Tobias has been having problems the vet keeps dismissing as allergies and now I know it’s from the vaccines.
    I have horror stories of what has happened over this or that medication and I want to scream. Instead I’ll cry and pray. I am on a disability income but if I have to, I will beg, borrow, or steal to go to homeopathic care. Well, I won’t steal.
    Thank you for your love and concern and I will be encouraging everyone I meet to view your sites and contribute to RCF.
    God bless you Jan, and your two little furbutts.
    They’re Maltese? They look like my sisters Maltese.
    Patti

  260. Deborah Anderson Says:

    I have 2 wonderful dogs, both rescues. Bob is 10 years old and has been with me since he was 8. I took him to my vet of many years on Monday, November 21, for his 3-year rabies vaccine. That very evening he lost muscle control in his hind legs. My vet said she knows it is coincidental, but he probably has a bulging disc!! Not so!!! This is a result of the rabies vaccine. I am broken hearted. Bob has had a difficult life and this is terribly unfair. I have rheumatoid arthritis and am managing as best I can to meet Bob’s bathroom needs. His spirit is good, but I see no improvement in this muscle weakness. If anything, it worsens as days go by. Please help me! Tell me what to do. And, if you pray, please pray for Bob.

  261. Jan Says:

    Deborah, please read What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ It is especially important to make sure it’s noted in your dog’s file, then get a copy of the file. Make sure you know what vaccine was given. Try to get your vet to realize this is a common reaction. If she doubts it, I can give her an authority to talk with.

    Make sure you contact the drug maker, and get your vet to do it as well. They may help pay for ongoing treatment.

    Also, contact Marina at naturalrearing.com Your dog needs homeopathy treatment, which is not very expensive.

    Good luck.

  262. Chester Lasyone Says:

    Once I originally commented I clicked the -Notify me when new comments are added- checkbox and now each time a remark is added I get 4 emails with the same comment. Is there any way you possibly can take away me from that service? Thanks!

  263. Jan Says:

    Hi Chester. I’ve never been told that this happened before. Sorry! Would you please forward the email to me? I tried to contact you at your email address but it bounced back. My contact info is at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/contact Or you could check the bottom of the email and see if there is an unsubscribe link. Please let me know so I can solve this problem.

  264. Terry Ann Says:

    My vets office stated that they got a bad batch of vaccine from the manufacturer….This is of little help to me now.. I have 8 dogs and my mother has 3. In May 2011 I had 7 of my dogs vaccinated and also all 3 of my mothers.

    I first noticed that all of the dogs had a lump at the reaction site, but knew this could happen. all the dogs from both household were heathly, within the first month Alfie my shih tzu’s lymph node on the side of her throat swole to about 2 inches, had it biopsyed and it came back clear. they said it would go down but I treated her with antibiotics and benydryl, then Spike was out playing in our frnced yard and passed out, took him to the vets and they stated his heart was enlarged and in questioning the vet about the bad batch of vaccine stated that they did not think the vaccine caused the enlarged heart but that it may have irritated a pre existing condition?

    He started passin out on exertion and having difficulty breathing, took him to the University of veterinary medicine in Minneapolis MN where they took the fluid off his lungs through lasix and explained that his heart had gotten bigger. I asked about the vaccine reaction and they again said that they didn’t think it would cause the heart swelling, after two days in intensive care we bought Spike home.

    The day after we arrived home my mothers dog Penny passed out the same way Spike did …at a loss we took her to our vet and they diagnosed her also with an enlarged heart and placed her on medication (vetmedin) Again they stated that they didn’t think it was from the bad batch of vaccine they had but assured us that they had contacted the manufacturer of the vaccine as they had, found numerous other customers dogs vaccinated with this vaccine complaining of injection site reactions. All our dogs vaccinated had lumps at the site of injection.

    The veterinarian stated that it was not the rabies in the vaccine that caused the problem but the adjunct mixed witht the vaccine that was causing the injection site problems. Buddy my moms dogs appearing perfectly healthy except for the injection site reaction, ate breakfast went to his bed and 10 minutes later was dead in his bed. Sassy has a large marble sized rock deep in the muscle between her shoulder blades, at her injection site. took her to the vets yesterday and they don’t think it will rupture and kill her but I am petrified.

    Since May 2011 all the dogs vaccinated with this bad vaccine are either dead, sick or still have the injection site lump. I am at a loss to know what my next step should be, Sassy’s lump is too deep in the muscle to remove right now so my veterinarian want’s to remove one of the other dogs lumps first..Montanas is the only one whose injection site is closest to the surface. But should I have them removed at a cost of over $500.00 or wait and see?? This has been such a terrible experience from one vaccine on two households and the cost’s keep mounting. I have spent over $7,000.00 so far and have two dead pets and one on heart meds that it still passing out about once a week. Any thoughts?

    I have tried getting the veterinarian to help me with this decision but as with all in the medical proffesion it is hard to get them to admit that they may have administered something that is causing the problem. Could Animal Health be of any assistance in getting the vaccine manufacturer to admit some liability? It is a little late for Spike and Buddy, but maybe something could be done to protect our other pets? Thank you

  265. Jan Says:

    Terry Ann, your story is beyond horrible. I’m so sorry.

    How does your vet know it was a “bad batch”? Did the vaccine maker send out a notice? If so, you might be able to get the proof from your vet and/or Google it. It’s very serious when a rabies vaccine is bad. Did it give immunity? What was wrong with it? This is very important.

    Then, contact the manufacturer. Make sure your vet reported it. Contact the USDA. You can find more info on this at What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Scroll down past the emergency info.

    Tell the drug maker you want to be reimbursed for ALL your costs and the value of your dogs. Insist. Threaten to raise hell and go public if you have to. Your vet should be raising hell. What about all the other dogs that were surely affected? You can also go to the media but give the drug maker a chance to pay you first. This is a big story. Who knows how many dogs were affected? Again, why isn’t your vet involved. This should not be extra business for him/her; it should be advocacy for dogs and clients. If the vet doesn’t help, really help, fire him/her. Make a stink with the media.

    Also contact Dr. Ron Schultz, the foremost expert on this subject. He’ll know if a bad batch was announced and how to proceed. Call and email him. Put a subject line in your email like: bad rabies vax killed and sickened my 11 dogs. Make sure you give him all the info you have on the vaccine. He’s great. Be sure to contact him. http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/people/ronald+d+schultz/

    Follow the health advice in my Rabies Reaction article. Your dogs need help. Let me know what happens.

  266. Terry Ann Says:

    Hi Jan and Thank you for your response and your web site. I have been so upset about what has happened that I was lucky enough to surf the internet in frustration and found your site.

    I took two of my dogs to the veterinarian again today for my other vet to also see the lump that my dogs still have 6 months after vaccination. I do have the manufacturers name and the type and lot number of the vaccine.

    When I had initially contacted the veterinarians office in August when Alfie’s lymph node was terribly swollen one of the vet technicians told me that they had received a bad batch of vaccine as they had received numerous complaints from other clients about reaction to this batch of vaccine in fact one of the tech’s parents dog had a reaction so at the time she was very informative about the vaccine reactions and explained that they had contacted the company and returned the vaccine.

    Today I spoke to my vet and I am sure they don’t want to get involved but he could not dispute the fact that out of the 10 dogs vaccinated that day all had a reaction. They informed me today that they no longer order from the manufacturer and will not carry the rabies vaccine from them. I received a copy of the manufacturer’s label today and lot number.

    Later today my veterinarian called to give me another number also stating that both these lots were used between all the dogs?? I was a little puzzled so I am going to get copies of their records tomorrow that have the rabies vaccine tags on them. I can imagine trying to get anything done will be an uphill battle but I can but try… I don’t want anyone else to have to go through the agony these past few months have been.

    My veterinarian does not feel that the lumps need to be removed at this point in time, if they get bigger or start changing again I should then consult with him again. We are going to try giving them Benadryl and see if we can get the lumps to go down without surgery.

    I have the vet visits documented but, no pictures etc. But in reality who would guess that you would need to worry about a rabies vaccination? I certainly didn’t. I am much wiser now. I am going to follow your advice and plead my case to the appropriate authorities in the hope that these vaccines are either made safer or a pet owner is given the choice to possibly administer a lethal shot.

    I shall keep you updated as you are my life line. Update today my husband went to get copies of my dogs health records today that have the vaccine number on them , surprise, surprise they refused to give them to him and explained that Spike’s ( the dog of ours that died) his records are in the basement and they have no access to them Hmm. I am going to send a written letter requesting copies of their health records be mailed to me by registered mail today and if that doesn’t work I will consult an attorney to send a formal request for the information I need. Could you tell me are there any type of attorney that is better to work on this type of case?

    Thanks again
    Terry Ann Lapos

  267. Jan Says:

    Hi Terry Ann. Good for you for all you’re doing. I wish everyone would advocate for their dogs the way you have.

    Re getting your dogs’ files: they are YOURS! Period. They may want to give you a copy rather than the original, but the files are yours. Make sure the files are complete with all that has happened. If anything doesn’t ring true, expect clarification. If you don’t get it, then get that attorney. You might want to send the letter by registered mail, although I’d try to keep things cordial until you see what happens.

    Re the lump, that’s a long time. Did you ever contact Dr. Schultz? He can tell you when you need to worry. And get a second opinion from a specialist before proceeding. You might want a biopsy first. You might see what the vaccine manufacturer recommends. This is their fault and should be their bill, not yours.

    Re the Benadryl, that seems odd to me. Giving an antihistamine so long after the fact? In any event, it will do little harm. If it were my dog, I’d do homeopathy. Did you contact Marina at naturalrearing.com? I think she’ll have advice for you.

    Keep me up to date. And good luck!

  268. Terry Ann Says:

    HI Jan, I took your advice and contacted Dr. Schultz and Marina. I will just wait to hear for them and update you at that time. Thanks again!

  269. Jenny Says:

    We are so sad for our little 4 month morkie puppy Jayke. Ever since his shots about 4 days ago, he has yelped and screamed lke something is really hurting him whenever we pick him up. I tried inspecting his body and isolating where the pain is coming from, but he’ll yelp at area one minute and not the next and we cant tell where it hurts him. He is eating and playing normally. He wasnt yelping like this before his shots (he got rabies, bordicella intranasal, dhlpp) and we dont know if hes scared to be touched now because he just doesnt like shots or if he got dropped and now is afraid to be picked up or if he is having an adverse reaction from his shots. he just cries and screams so loud and im so worried about him :( poor jaykey… if anyone knows anything about this or has had a puppy that did this if u could please contact me jennyturak at ymail.com thanks so much :) jenny

  270. Jan Says:

    Jenny, you should report the reaction to the vet and get it in your dog’s file. If your dog is feeling fine and eating, but is just sore, that should go away shortly. Remember when you had a sore arm after a shot as a kid? If it doesn’t, see your vet.

    That said, your vet gave way too many shots at once. Rabies is a dangerous shot and should be given alone. Bordetella is completely useless you have to have it to board. Scroll down and read what Dr. Ron Schultz says at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots Don’t ever let your vet give a shot to a little dog that contains leptospiroris, the L in the shot. It’s very dangerous for little dogs according to the AAHA and WSAVA vaccine guidelines.

    Please read Vaccinating Small Dogs: Risks Vets Aren’t Revealing at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/ You should also read Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/ Your dog may not need any more shots other than rabies in 3 years. Read about titer testing at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/10/22/titer-test/

    These articles are short and very important for your dog.

  271. Heriberto Odekirk Says:

    Don’t mean to hijack this thread, but does anybody here know if you can find safety specifications set for dog carriers for either autos or aircraft? Any help would certainly be appreciated – appreciate it!

  272. Jan Says:

    Heriberto, I’ve never seen anything other than specs for size, not for safety. And few of them are safe. Please let me know if you find any safety specs.

    My favorite carrier for the car is found here: http://www.digitpet.com/products.cfm?cid=1001,2003,3027&pid=12075M&gclid=CLrgiuf5lq0CFQh9hwodNR_pnQ It comes in lots of sizes and colors and is inexpensive.

    I like soft-sided crates. Imagine your dog being it in during an accident and the safety is self-evident.

  273. Terry Ann Says:

    Hi Jan, Thought I would give you a quick update. I have been busy getting the appropriate records and I have hired a legal representation. My first consultation was rather disappointing as the attorney informed me that the vaccine companies are federally protected againt law suits so trying to get any compensation would be at the discretion of the company themselves. I shall be complaining to both the USDA and my local government agencies about this. I find it unbelievable that any company can put out a product and if the product is faulty can be protected by the government against being held financially responsible ….

    I have hired the law firm to contact both the manufacturer and the USDA regarding the bad lot of vaccine. Today I took all the dogs that were vaccinated on may 16th 2011 to get their injection sites checked and documented and as I already knew ALL still have injection site lumps or hardend areas from this vaccine. I will let you know when I hear any reaction from either the USDA or the manufacturer.

    I encourage anyone whose pet has a reaction to contact their veterinarian immediately and INSIST that they report the reaction as soon as possible. I fear that the only way to encourage the vaccine companies to put out a safe product is going to be from the users themselves complaining and not ordering when customers repeatedly have reactions. Happy New year to you and your followers. Again I thank you for all your support and for just caring about such an important problem

  274. Jan Says:

    Hi Terry Ann. Yes, it’s horrible they have limited liabilty. Thank Congress for that.

    However, it is my belief that they are liable for a bad lot if they did not recall it immediately. I hate to see you spend your money on lawyers. Have you contacted the manufacturer directly? They may at least offer to pay your bills. Of course, if you have a good lawyer, there advice is better than mine.

  275. Lesly Says:

    I took my 6 year old mixed breed dog (looks like a long-legged border terrier but his dna test said he has some english spaniel in him?) for his annual check up. He wasnt 100% healthy ad he had an undiagnosed gastro/vomiting issue. I wanted titers done, but the vet i saw, who was not my usual vet, convinced me that he should have his rabies as that was the only vaccine due. I caved and i have regretted it ever since. Approximately 36 hours after the vaccination, he had a very scary seizure that had him on his side, legs flailing wildly, foaming at the mouth, loss of bladder control. He had all of the classic seizure signs – confusion, lethargy, etc. I took him to the emerg vet who poopooed the idea it could have anything to do with the vaccine. The next trip to my own vet had similar results. My dog is luckily not having alot of seizures (that we know about as we are not home all of the time) but he is now having alot of muscle twitching that includes one or more legs, and occasional very loud teeth grinding. These are nothing like doggie dreams and happen frquently when he is lying down but not asleep. I am about to look on the Ontario, Canada government website to see if canada also has a rabies exemption program. I wonder how that will go since my vet feels the seizure and vaccination are completely un-related.

  276. Jan Says:

    Lesly, I hate your vet! That is ridiculous. Please read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/17/why-vets-dont-recognize-vaccine-reactions/ It will tell you why your vet won’t admit the obvious.

    Seizures are a well-recognized symptom of rabies vaccination. And your dog should have never been vaccinated while ill — according to the vaccine maker’s instructions.

    Please read What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Ask your vet for the product insert for the vaccine your dog got, and get your dog’s records. Then change vets and tell him/her why!

  277. Andrea Says:

    my american cocker spaniel had been given a second rabie shot 4 months after her first one, by mistake; but since then has, sometimes, severe allergy reactions. I adopted her from the breeder 1 year ago; when she was 5 yrs. old. She was on Vet dry dog food; but since 4 months ago I have been feeding her cooked food of chicken thighs, quinoa, and carrots or beans. I give her dried apple pieces in her treat ball and cut up apple pcs. for snacks and sometimes veggie cookies; but she still has endless bouts of scratching. Sometimes she has small sore looking red spots on her tummy and soreness on her tail and sometimes under her neck and tops of her legs. I give her a vanectyl P pill every morning with her food. This makes it easier to get some rest and not scratch. Other times I give her an allergy pill to help ease her itching. Even sprinkling on her tummy some corn startch helps and seems to calm her down. I use bag balm on her sore looking tail. Anyone out there give me any further advice?

  278. Jan Says:

    Hi Andrea. I have many suggestions.

    First, vanectyl is prednisone, a glucocorticoid. A steroid. There are many side effects of long term use. One of my very favorite vets has a list of 42 reasons not to use prednisone long term. Please take a look: http://www.crvetcenter.com/glucocorticoids.php You cannot stop steroids cold turkey; a vet must help you taper off.

    Second, your vet is treating the symptoms, not the problem. Suppression of symptoms with drugs is like using sugar to “cure” hunger. It may work for a short while, but long term, it won’t help and health will suffer.

    Vaccine-induced illness shouldn’t just be suppressed; it must be addressed or your dog will get worse. You’ll probably need a vet trained in homeopathy to help. I can recommend some who can treat your dog over the phone. It should be short term therapy and not expensive. Contact me again or see the referral list of homeopathy vets at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets I feel very strongly about this.

    Re your dog’s diet, you are doing a lot of things right. I’m concerned, however, that chicken is the only protein. Chicken is a common allergen. I would substitute turkey for a while and see how your dog does. If your dog improves, try varying turkey with lamb, beef, bison, etc. See how to transition foods at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/food Your dog can be tested for common food sensitivities, if you’re interested, at http://www.hemopet.org

    If it were my dog, I’d gradually transition to fresh or frozen raw foods. Many dogs improve with raw and/or frozen foods and their allergies disappear.

  279. zoomie z Says:

    Hi Jan,

    I was told by Air France today, that I would not need to revaccinate my dog against rabies, that a titer would suffice. Do you happen to know if that is correct?

    Thank you,
    zoomie

  280. Christine Greehy Says:

    Due to some financial issues, I had to bring my kids 15 month old pups to Central Brevard Humane Society for their spay and neuter (the pups are brother and sister also). I had expected having to have the rabies shot, but was informed upon arrival, that they MUST also have the distemper shot (even though this is not a state law here). I had already paid the deposit, to schedule another spay would take too long as I suspected when the female “locked” with a neutered male, that something bad happened to her uterus since she was still leaving bright red blood trails 11 days after last being receptive.

    I was beyond CLEAR that they were ONLY to receive Rabies and Distemper. When I got home and read the bill, I found that they were both given rabies AND DA2PP!!! Enraged! Fury! Those words do not come close to describing how I am feeling right now!

    I had my female spayed by my personal vet 4 months ago and she was not nearly as lethargic and in pain as this one is.

    Do I have ANY recourse? I made it clear to everyone there that I did not want my dogs (or kids dogs) overvaccinated and they turned around and pushed their toxic crap into these pups veins, CLEARLY AGAINST MY INSTRUCTIONS!!!

    At this time, her rr is 40 at rest, hr 97, temp 101.8. To me, they all seem within normal limits, BUT I am a paramedic, not a vet tech : )

    ANY advice not only welcomed, but begged for!

  281. Jan Says:

    Hi Zoomie. I’m no expert on this, but it is my belief that you need a recent vaccination PLUS a titer test tied to a microchip. You can check with the Air France website and also with pettravel.com If you have to vaccinate, see a holistic vet or contact marina at naturalrearing.com for a way to vaccinate more safely. Please read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

  282. Jan Says:

    Christine, when I read your post I thought it was a duplicate of a post made by someone else recently. This ignoring of client’s wishes shows an arrogance that is prevalent in veterinary circles.

    Please read What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ You’ll find lots of answers there. Just skip the top portion about emergencies. If you have any more questions, please right again and I’ll help if I can.

  283. Linda Says:

    Hello, let me start by saying thank you for all of the valuable information. I have been researching the rabies vaccine recently. I am very much against vaccinating especially a vaccine that is not needed. Not to mention the mandatory poison cocktail called the Rabies Vaccine that we are forced to ingest into our pets, NEEDED OR NOT, regardless of the overwhelming research and knowledge on the damage it can cause. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe our pets should be protected but not poisoned. I have a couple of questions/comments (maybe more than a couple :-) . Please know that below is just how I perceive the facts from researching the subject, but would appreciate being corrected if I am misinformed.

    First, if a vet were to give a rabies vaccine and he/she wanted to test to see if the vaccine was successful, would they do a titer test for validity or is it a different test? How do the two tests differ assuming the vet does not do a titer? If they do indeed perform a titer, why would that be good enough proof of protection for the vets vac and not good enough proof for over-vaccinating purposes? Would the vet be checking for antibodies in his test? Doesn’t a titer test check for antibodies?

    Sorry if I am confusing, I am trying my best to understand. I feel like a titer is a no brainer solution to the over-vaccinating dilemma if in fact the antibodies are the proof we are looking for. But with all the controversy, I feel I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING. When I had inquired about the titers with my vet, I feel like I am quickly being dismissed and off the subject (but no more…) Never told of the benefits. I have always been questionable on vaccines and brought concerns to my vet and explained on the research I have done and how nothing good can come out of vaccinating unnecessarily. The response I have received on more than one occasion is “don’t look on the internet, you can’t believe info you find there – it only scares people with false, inaccurate info”. Same answer I got from a vac company rep when calling to ask them some questions. That, in my opinion, is pure ignorance. Then if that is their logic, we should assume their website is false info also. In my opinion, what they are saying in a nutshell is don’t inform yourself – just trust us! I certainly will not, I will do my best not to learn the hard way nor will I be intimidated. I will always be informed and be an advocate for my pets well being.

    Obviously, the vets are not disclosing to their patients the world-wide controversy on the dangers of vaccines and over-vaccinating. I would feel safe to assume all vets are well aware of the overwhelming concerns as there is a wealth of information on the over-vaccinating issue. (But then again, I did learn all I know on the internet…so it must not be true – makes my blood boil).

    I’ve learned that thimerosal free is the way to go but my next concern is with gentamicin, the antibiotic used as a preservative in the vaccine. It seems to have a whole host of issues connected to it, deafness and vision loss just to name a couple. Wouldn’t this impose the same adverse affects we are all concerned about? Are there any adjuvant free and thimerosal free rabies vaccines for dogs on the market (even though they would probably be replaced with some other toxic substance(s). Also my pet has occasional allergies and skin issues, rashes that may result in licking or scratching accompanied by some backward sneezing. Would this not indicate a compromised immune system and vaccinating would not be recommended seeing that it clearly stated that vaccines are to be given to healthy animals only?

    After getting some vacs a few years back, my pet developed a lump at the injection site that lasted for quite a while which I told my vet about right away. It made me so nervous…I got that sick pit in my stomach. I was told, of course, just to keep an eye on it. Well, now with all the research I have been doing, it seems as if that could have been extremely serious. I am now afraid with the next shot my baby gets it is even more likely to have the same, if not worse, reaction like maybe that lump not going away and turn out to be a tumor – God Forbid!.

    Sorry if I am overloading with questions and info but over vaccinating is such a huge concern for me as it will continue and jeopardize the health and lives of our pets NEEDLESSLY due to not being informed. Titer tests are more expensive but maybe not as profitable…I have not idea. Explain the dangers/concerns and inform us of options, then let the parent decide what is best. So sad..shouldn’t our vets be doing what is best for the animal…isn’t that why they went into this field. So many vets seem to have gotten lost along the way and have forgotten what is truly important here – the best and healthiest lives we can provide to our furry family members. Are the vets not informed, and if not, shouldn’t they be or do they not want to be. I have been researching non stop and learning so much. It is very disappointing to think that some vets, not all, are the ones we trust to know what is best for our kids are the ones that may be bringing on unnecessary medical problems.

    When inquiring to numerous vets if they use thimerosal free vaccines, I felt as if I was talking a foreign language. My vet uses defensor 3 and I was told that it is mercury free but according to their site or any other info I can find, it is not mercury free. Do you have any info on whether it is or is not mercury free. No one will order the vaccine you prefer. You either take what they have or find somewhere that has what you want. That is disgusting. I was also asked if I wanted to give the lepto vac the same day. I could not believe my ears. Not only are we being forced to needlessly ingest our animals with poison for no reason and endangering their lives, they are making it very difficult to make the healthiest decisions for our babies. SHOW ME DOCUMENTATION THAT the vaccine DOES NOT last more than three years before I poison my pet and then we can talk. All animals are different, some high risk – some low risk. The vaccine is NOT a One Size Fits All. That is insanity. In my opinion, all animals immune systems are unique and vaccines should be tailored as such – its COMMON SENSE.

    Any info that can be provided is greatly appreciated. Also please inform me if I am misinformed. I am new to this. I am so happy to see that many people are looking into what exactly is going on with these vaccinations. I feel sad for the people who just trust that their vet knows best – and MORE SAD for the poor innocent beautiful souls who don’t have a say.

    PS…Any thoughts on Lyssin. I have read about Lyssin – the nosode for rabies. It seems to be worth researching. From what I gather, and I have only recently learned of this so correct me if I am wrong, but Lyssin should be administered immediately after the vaccine to help prevent any adverse reactions. I would definitely discuss this with a holistic vet that practices homeopathy before doing this to make sure it is administered properly. Ok….I am done (for now…lol)

    My apologies in advance for spelling and/or grammar errors (not my strong point) and for the lengthy comments. (I never write on blogs….I just can’t get my self to hit the submit comment button – explaining why this is SOOO long..re-reading, adding, changing…so.sorry. Have A Blessed and Happy Day!

  284. Charles Brossmann Says:

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  285. Jan Says:

    Linda, I’ll try to answer your questions. Let me know if I miss any.

    First, if a vet were to give a rabies vaccine and he/she wanted to test to see if the vaccine was successful, would they do a titer test for validity or is it a different test?

    Titer test. There is a rabies test and another duel test for parvo and distemper.

    If they do indeed perform a titer, why would that be good enough proof of protection for the vets vac and not good enough proof for over-vaccinating purposes?

    There isn’t a legal titer value, but will be soon, if that’s what you’re asking. If you mean does a titer test show over-vaccinating, it does not. It shows that antibodies have been formed.

    Would the vet be checking for antibodies in his test?

    Yes, it tests for antibodies. Read my article about titer testing: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/10/22/titer-test/
    The Rabies Challenge Fund http://www.rabieschallengefund.org will soon have a titer level proven to the USDA. Right now, they just use the human titer level. When the RCF study is done, we will be able, hopefully, to test rather than revaccinate. Please support this great cause.

    Many vets know little about titer testing and it is not to their economic advantage to have clients learn that their dogs may not need all the vaccines. Vaccinating is the easiest way to bring you into the office.

    Re Lyssin, I wouldn’t vaccinate against rabies without it.

    Here are some more articles that might interest you:
    Rabies Vaccination: 13 Ways to Vaccinate More Safely http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

    Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

    I hope I have answered your questions. Good for you for standing up to your vet. He/she is the one who needs to start doing some research. BTW, vets get vaccinated against rabies in vet school. They are encouraged to test titers thereafter, rather than revaccinate. Why is good for them, but not our pets? Money.

  286. Kristofer Fauci Says:

    Nice blog.keep up the good work.

  287. Melinda Says:

    We had a ten year old Great Pyrenees that acted like a puppy running around and being silly just because she was glad to see us. She had a great personality and was the best guard dog for my other animals. She was terrified of storms and loved to sleep in the bathtub when it was hot outside. She was my sweet baby, like a big cuddly polar bear. The picture of a very healthy dog. About three weeks ago I noticed she had an ear infection; we loaded her up and took her to the nearby animal hospital. At the time he examined her cleaned her ears and asked if we wanted to give her a rabies vaccine, since she was there and since she hadn’t had one in years. I really wished I had said no. On the way home she acted funny and got sick, within one week her appetite had decreased and she started limping on one side, then we noticed a bloody discharge from her. Our cousin took her back to the same vets, on Tuesday; they said she had a invetro infection that was very serious. If it had been a closed infection she would have died, but it was open and if they operated and spaded her she might be alright. They made no guarantees, they operated on her on Wednesday, she didn’t do very good and never really move around as good as they would have liked. Our cousin picked her up on Saturday and they had to practically carry her to the car. The vet made a comment that it seemed her problem was neurological. She was never able to stand on her own, her appetite continued to decrease. The antibiotic and steroids were the only medicines they sent home with her. We came in off the road and I called the vets, she was obviously in pain and had labored breathing. I worked as a nurse for ten years and I know what pain looks like. They said to increase her pain med, what pain med, they had not sent her pain med home with her, I could not believe it. She died in my arms that night one hour after getting her first pain pill. Maybe it made her passing less painful for her; it was the saddest day in my life. I decided to look up the side effects from a rabies vaccine and I started crying again, there it was her neurological problems and the following; Allergies
    Autoimmune diseases, including organ disease, allergies and skin problems
    Chronic digestive problems
    Muscle weakness, especially lack of hind end coordination
    Chronic digestive disorders
    Skin diseases
    Behavior problems: aggression, destructive behaviors, separation anxiety and odd obsessive behaviors (like tail chasing and paw licking). Vomiting
    Facial swelling
    Fever or lethargy
    Circulatory shock
    Loss of consciousness
    Death. All these can occur from 3 days to weeks. We lost a loving family member and friend. I really wish the vets would have looked a little harder at her record and put a correlation between the shot and the rabies vaccine. I wish I would have know the side effects and our family will be looking for a new animal Doctor, I can’t lose another one that way, it was horrifying and my heart will hurt a long time over this, I feel like I let her down and I loved her. The Dixon Family

  288. Jan Says:

    Melinda, first, I’m so sorry for your loss.

    Second, the vet should have never vaccinated a dog with an ear infection. When you’re up to it, please report the reaction to the drug manufacturer. It’s possible they will reimburse you, at least some, for your medical expenses and maybe more. Most importantly, they will have to report the drug reaction to the USDA to make the drug safer. Get the records from the vet. They should have also reported what happened but may not have.

    Third, what is an invetro infection? Invitro?

    Fourth, please read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ It will help you with reporting.

    Take care. Feel better.

  289. Melinda Says:

    Thank you for writting me back, I wish I would have known. I guess I spelled it wrong.

  290. Tricia Converse Says:

    I am a wreck, I picked up my little Havanese puppy (Lola) to day from the vet after my husband dropped her off to be spade/fixed only to find out they had, 1. put a microchip in her (without my authorization) & 2) had given her another rabies vaccine after she just had one last month. Needless to say I am freaking out about the vaccine & I went completely crazy at the vet’s office. I am so worried about her. What should I do? She is very lethargic but I don’t know if it’s the shot or the surgery. I want to file a complaint against their office & what signs should I look for if she starts to get sick? I am a mess about this!

  291. Jan Says:

    Tricia, I don’t blame you for being angry. You have every reason.

    Any drug maker would tell you not to vaccinate a stressed dog, and what could be more stressful than surgery?

    Your dog would likely be lethargic after being spade, but being vaccinated could cause it as well. You need homeopathic help for your little girl. You’ll learn how to get that at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ In the meantime, if she were mine, I’d get Traumeel and Arnica Montana from your local health food store. Ask the personel there how to use it. It can help her heal faster and feel better. Get it as soon as you can. I always give it to my dogs after surgery. You can give the Arnica four or five times a day for a few days then less often over time.

    Re treating the over-vaccination, see a holistic vet if you can. Or contact the people mentioned in the article above.

    And you can learn how to go after your careless vet in that article. Make him/her pay.

    Re symptoms of rabies vaccine reaction, see http://www.truth4dogs.org. There’s a list of symptoms there. If you notice anything other than lethargy, seek help. Check for a fever. Also remember that some reactions from rabies vaccination are very delayed — months, years even. I’d tell your vet you want him/her to pay for seeing a homeopathic vet. Take the vet to small claims court if necessary. Make him/her miserable. Your dog will probably recover, but some damage has likely been done. Homeopathy and really good food is the best way I know to help your baby.

    At the very least, he should refund what you paid. I hope he didn’t have the nerve to charge for the second shot or the microchip.

    Oh yeah. And find a new vet. And relax. Your stress will stress your little girl.

    If you want a phone consult with another vet, let me know. It won’t be very expensive.

  292. Donna Hetrick Says:

    Hi -
    thank you so much for the great service your website provides. We are ‘new’ parents to a 1 year old cockapoo. We’ve had her since she was 9 weeks old. Since that time we have had her in teh care of a holistic vet who is very aware of spreading out vaccinations, etc. About 2 weeks ago, I took her in for her mandatory rabies vaccine. The vet gave her the 3 year vaccine and nothing else (even though she’s due for bordetello). I asked her before leaving if I should expect any side effects. She gave me a homeopathic remedy to give her to help with any potential side effects and said all should be well. It’s two weeks later and all of a sudden Lilly has started vomiting and having extreme diarrhea. She is lethargic and makes weak attempts at playing but tires out very easily. She is drinking small amounts and eating very little. When I called the vet and said that I thought that this was related to her rabies vaccine they said, “Oh we don’t think so….” My question is – how long might I expect this to go on? So appreciate your feedback.

  293. Jan Says:

    Donna, reactions to vaccines can happen at any time, but that kind of reaction usually happens right away. Your dog sounds like she needs medical attention no matter what the cause is. She could also have a virus. Vomiting, diarrhea and not drinking enough are serious symptoms and can lead to dehydration. Please see your vet.

    You might also want to read What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    I hope she gets better soon.

  294. Jeannette Many Horses Says:

    On 1/20/12 both of my 12 week-old Newfoundland puppies were vaccinated with Pfizer 5-way booster. By 1/25 both started showing signs of lethargy, diarrhea, and runny eyes. This developed into seizures, head shaking, pacing and circling, endless crying out in pain, and finally both were dead within 5 days.

    I sent them both to CSU for necropsies and discovered that both were otherwise healthy puppies that had developed neurodistemper with lesions on their brains only. They are now at MSU having the DNA fingerprinting performed so that we can prove that this was vaccine related. A third puppy, a littermate to my two that moved to California (I live in Wyoming and my puppies were vaccinated by my vet in Wyoming), also died of distemper just a few days after receiving it’s Pfizer 5-way booster in California. This puppy is also undergoing the necropsy and DNA fingerprinting.

    None of these puppies had been exposed to the wild form of the disease and the breeder vaccinated with a recombitant vaccine which cannot lead to virulence. I learned of the dangers of modified live vaccines the hardest way and will only vaccinate my dogs, after a titre test, with Merial Recombitek vaccines, if they need them. Nothing will bring back my precious little puppies who needlessly suffered such horribly painful deaths, but I am doing everything possible to get my story out there so that owners, breeders, and veterinarians can learn of the dangers. My hope is that changes can be made to these deadly vaccines so that no dog will ever die from the vaccine meant to protect them.

  295. Elinor Silverstein Says:

    Dear Jan, thank you very much for your well-written article. My beloved male Standard Poodle passed away on Nov 3, 2011 from the rabies vaccine. I had been telling and begging my vet for ages to please run a titer on the rabies vaccine for him as we did with all the other vaccines, and he would not. He always insisted that in S Cal it would not matter and that there would be nothing we and he could do. Shomer, our beloved dog ran his titers on the parvo/distemper sky high. They were blown away how high, as though he had just been vaccinated the previous day, similar to what you wrote. And these would be take a cpl of years later.
    I work in health with humans and animals and have a lot of biochem background. What good it did for us..
    You should look in to the MTHFR gene as I do with people. It stands for methytetrahydrofolatereductace test. It shows how well the liver methylates. Meaning, methylates, or attaches on to the toxin in the liver and draws it out to the intestines or renal area to poop or urinate it out. If they do not methylate well, it stays in, and eventually leaches in to the blood system, which takes it to crucial organs and tissues in the body, causing much harm.
    There is so much I could say about this gene. But, I even contacted Davis vet school and their statement to me was, “Even if we did test for this and saw the gene expression, we would not know what to do with it.” This flabberghasts me, because all mammals have a liver, and the liver does the same action in all mammals, hence the same for all of us. At least, in humans, dogs and cats.
    Meanwhile my young Standard Poodle became so sick it turned to cancer and killed him within one year. He was so young. Do know, I do not go to that vet anymore. They never even said a word of anything to me after I begged and pleaded for the titer. They never said anything to me after Shomer’s deadly diagnosis, either. How many more pets will die because they are not designed to take in so many toxins on top of one another. What makes them so different from humans how have these very same difficulties?
    Sincerely, Elinor Silverstein

  296. Jan Says:

    Jeannette, your story is beyond tragic. Good for you for taking action.

    I presume, but want to make sure, that you contacted the drug maker and the USDA. This is very important. You will find some contact info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Make sure you get the vaccine lot numbers, serial numbers, etc. before talking with those organizations. Pfizer should, and hopefully will, pay all medical expenses — at the least.

    I am forwarding your story to veterinarian and vaccination expert Patricia Jordan. You should also contact Dr. Ron Schultz. I’ll send you his email address in an email.

    Thanks so much for sharing this. Keep me up to date, please, on what happens.

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  298. Melissa Says:

    In October I met an 8 month old bichon frise. She was in a kennel at the shelter with a dog that passed away from parvo, and was on a 2 week incubation period to determine whether she caught it or not.

    2 weeks went by with no symptoms or problems whatsoever and I was finally able to take my new love “bailey” home. Her not catching parvo tells me she was obviously vaccinated with her prior owner and immune to the disease.

    As a first time pet parent I took her to a vet for a wellness exam, and to ask what is needed for dogs. I was surprised to hear the vet state that she will need to finish her shots that were started at the shelter, but being unexperienced I thought it would be in her best interest and safest to go ahead and vaccinate her just to be safe in case she wasnt fully vaccinated.

    The vet I saw gave her (7lbs at the time) the common cocktail of 5 different types of vaccines. I was not informed of any risks or that it would be best to do 1 at a time, and that she really does not need all of the vaccines I that were given to her. She was taken in the back, and I was not informed of any ingredients, and any possible side affects. At this same time she was given her rabies vaccination immediately after the other vaccinations.

    Shortly after we came home she started scratching at her ears. I thought this was a normal dog thing, and thought nothing of it. The scratching for the most part stopped after a couple weeks to a month.

    In January I gave her a bordatella vaccination so she can go to doggy day-care.

    That day we had even worse itching, and she has started bite her paws.

    Although my situation is not that bad I am still upset. As a first time pet parent I expected the vet to point me in the right direction. To make matters worse I was feeding royal canine puppy food and asked the vet if it was a good food and was told yes.
    Since I have done my research and no longer feed her that food. She is on a good quality kibble (some day I will cook for her, im still learning all this doggy stuff) and lots of approved real food added in.
    I really just wish that vets today would TAKE TIME to teach new owners about food, and health, and risks, rather than taking my dollar and sending me on my merry way. I wish I had informed consent, because I would have done things very differently.
    All I can say is thanks to scared poopless I will never do some of the things I did again and neither will teh other first time owners i shared the book with.

  299. Jan Says:

    Melissa, I’m so happy my book is helpful to you. Thanks for letting me know.

    You wrote: “Although my situation is not that bad I am still upset.” It IS bad. Your dog is really uncomfortable and her immune system is malfunctioning. You need to contact a vet trained in homeopathy. Please read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Write again if you need help finding someone. If you just suppress your dog’s symptoms, the vaccinosis (vaccine-induced disease) will just go elsewhere. You need to help your dog heal.

    You also wrote: “She is on a good quality kibble (some day I will cook for her, I’m still learning all this doggy stuff) and lots of approved real food added in.” I hope you’ll consider feeding her frozen raw food. Kibble has so many things wrong with it. There’s more info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/food

    You’re going to be a great mom. It’s wonderful that you care enough to learn what will help her thrive.

  300. Melitte Elaco Says:

    Labrador Retriever

    Thank you! I love animals, especially dogs, & it makes me so sad when they suffer. Thanks again!

  301. Jeanna Says:

    My dog, a malti-poo rescue (we think) started having symptoms within hours of having his vaccinations last week. We took him twice to the vet with 4 days for not getting up, yelping when we picked him up and back end mobility. The dr gave him pain meds for a possible injury but he has gotten worse. Unfotunately, we are out if town and a friend is keeping him. Apparently he has gotten worse with his back end. His back is crooked and he is walking sideways she said. He is not eating or drinking much since. She is taking him back to the vet tomorrow for me. He is only about 4.. What should I do? He never mentioned it could be a reaction and it has cost us about $300 for a few pain relievers and office visits. His blood panel was normal. The shots were last Monday and symptoms started within hours. Is there a certain test? Should I have to pay more? Any help is appreciated!

  302. Jan Says:

    Jeanna, please read What to Do When Your Dog Has a Vaccine Reaction at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Skip the beginning.

    It is unlikely, from what you said, that your vet understands the problem. You need a vet skilled in homeopathy. The article has lots of tips on what to do. Please report this to the drug maker. They may help pay for treatment, although they will want you to use a conventional vet. Write again if you’d like me to recommend a great vet who will treat your dog long distance. He’s not expensive.

    Even if your dog gets better, treatment is important. And do it soon.

  303. Christie Says:

    Lulu had her rabies shot Saturday. I took her to one of those low-cost vaccinations events at PetCo in Orlando. She immediately had a reaction, though it was mild — she became very calm and tired. And being a beagle, it was obvious. They gave her a benadryl and steroids shot, and she perked up fast.

    However, I think she might still have a problem. I took her to the dog park Tuesday she avoided the other dogs and was unusually timid. I’m not quite sure whether I should take her to a vet or not, or whether this will wear off. Please send me an email if you have a solution to my question.

    lifewbeagle.blogspot.com

  304. Jan Says:

    Christie, it is odd for a beagle to have a reaction. They use beagles to test vaccines. Of course, it does happen.

    Please read this article, skipping the first part: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    Personality change is a relatively common reaction, although vets seldom admit it. Will the change wear off? Who knows? If it were my dog, I’m find a vet who understands homeopathy. There are links at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets and in the article I suggested you read. Your dog probably doesn’t feel that well. If it doesn’t change soon, please see a homeopathic vet. A “regular” vet will likely be a waste of money, although you need to make sure the reaction is listed in your dog’s file and also contact the manufacturer of the drug to report it.

    BTW, in the future, avoid those mass producing vaccine factories. Also, your dog is likely finished with shots. Please read this on eliminating unnecessary vaccines. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/

  305. Christie Says:

    Jan — Thanks. Looks like the closest homeopathic vet is about an hour away. :/ I will try to do an over the phone consultation with one of those doctors.

    I pretty much don’t have a choice but to avoid that vaccine group now. They gave me all this paperwork and said I can never come back to them for a shot. They said they would report the reaction to the manufacturer, but I assume I should do it again anyway?

  306. Jan Says:

    Christie, yes, you should report the reaction yourself. Document who you talked with and take notes and keep them in a safe place. If you go to a new vet, give them a copy. You may need a paper trail documenting the reaction in the future.

  307. Clotilde Kaelker Says:

    Exceptional article! I just dug up your website and will easily become a regular lurker now. Keep up the outstanding work.

  308. Judith Says:

    In January my leashed Tibetan Terrier was bitten by another dog and had two deep puncture wounds. The other dog was up to date but our dog was due for the 1 year booster shot (we live in MA) so you have to vaccine twice within the first year and thereaafter they give the 3-year shot. All the shots have the same amount of medicine – enough to protect them for 6 years! One week after his vaccine, he developed very large swollen lymph nodes under his both sides of his jaw and behind his knees. The vet put him on doxycycline for 6 weeks telling us it might be a tick-borne disease. Now three months after the vaccine, his lymph nodes have not gone down and the vet wants us to biopsy for lymphoma. Our local natural pet store is convinced that it is a reaction to the rabies vaccine. His appetite has gone down and he is coughing. Have you heard of swollen lymph glands from a rabies vaccine?

  309. Jan Says:

    Judith, the bite by a vaccinated dog should not be relevant, as far as I know. A vaccinated dog should not present a rabies threat. The booster at 1 year after the first shot around 4 months should last for 3 years.

    If the swollen lymph nodes developed shortly after the vaccine, I would think most vets would suspect the vaccine, not ticks. But I’m not a vet. Please read all but the first part of this article about vaccine reactions: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    I can recommend a trustworthy vet in Hopkington, MA if you’re interested in a consult.

    Good luck.

  310. Judith Says:

    Hi Jan,

    Thank you for your response. His breathing is very shallow and rapid last night and this morning. Yes, we would be interested in the number for the vet in Hopkington. Many thanks, Judith

  311. Vivian Says:

    Hi,

    my mini sized black Poodle, 1 1/2 years has recently taken a rabies shot and a microchip injection for us to take him to the United States (flight on the 21st of June). Probably half an hour later on the car, he started sneezing (about every 10 seconds) and had a clear runny nose. When we got home, we noticed that he was acting very lethargic and not as active as his hyper self. He just lies down most of the time, but stands up to bark at random noises coming from outside. Is this a normal reaction? Should I call a vet?

  312. Jan Says:

    Vivian, yes, call the vet. Your dog is having an allergic reaction. If his face is swelling or he’s vomiting, that’s even more seriou, but no reaction is good. At the very least, you need to report the reaction. Here’s an article to read on vaccine reactions: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    Only you know your dog well enough to know if you need to rush back to the vet. My feeling is: better safe than sorry. If your dog recovers quickly, consult a holistic vet when all this is over — especially one trained in homeopathy. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets Allergic reactions are serious and can be life threatening.

  313. Vivian Says:

    Hi Jan,

    Thank you so much for your reply! I called the vet today and he said this was normal, and just to observe him for a few more days. I will contact a holistic vet when he stops (hopefully soon) Thanks again!

  314. Janice Oswald Says:

    I took my almost 15 year old minature poodle for her rabies shot today. That’s all I give her and always have only given her. She was fine this morning but this afternoon she is panting badly, and around her good eye, it’s now all red and she keeps pacing around. I gave her a benedryl a few moments ago because she seems like she’s itcy and keeps wanting to itch her eyes. I hope she will be okay and if she is, I will never get her another rabies shot. She stays in the house and only goes outside to go to the bathroom. This has scared me.

  315. Jan Says:

    Janice, I’m sorry to delay so long in answering. For some reason, I didn’t see your comment.

    I hope your dog is better. Please read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    Let me know how she is doing.

  316. Darcie Palmer Says:

    I have just begun to foster a dog from a local shelter that apparently has this condition. Apparently when he came to the shelter in Jan he had almost no hair on his body and now he is covered in hair but he still has the lesions on his ears and his snout on one side is red and looks sore, his eyes swell up underneath. I give him Vit E pills, Benadryl, an ointment on his open wound on his ear, a oil of some type on the tips of his ears. He has a itchy patch on one of his front feet. Is there anything that will help with the eye situation. It breaks my heart everyday seeing him go through this, he is a pomeranian and we are trying to cope the best way we can. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  317. Jan Says:

    Darcie, it sounds like you’re talking about Ischemic Dermatopathy. Please read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog4dogs/category/rabies-vaccination/ If you’d like to talk to the author of that post, please contact me by email. Find contact info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/contact.

  318. Ellen Says:

    Our 10 year old chocolate lab had the rabies vaccine one week ago. She started vomiting, was not able to walk, cannot stand up. The vet is telling us they think it is vertigo. After reading everyone’s posts and all of the information that you have provided, I’m starting to think its from the vaccine. Will she recover from this or is this permanent damage. Thank you for any information that you can provide.

  319. Jan Says:

    Ellen, it’s likely the vaccine from what you describe. It’s important to report the problem to the USDA and manufacturer. There’s info here: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ This will also give you advice on how to proceed.

    It is possible to reverse the damage but it’s unlikely to heal itself, and if you go to a conventional vet, he/she probably won’t know how to proceed, especially if that vet didn’t recognize this as a reaction. Ask the vet for the vaccine’s package insert; it should show the reaction there. If not, check out http://www.rabieschallengefund.org While you’re at it, get a copy of your dog’s file and make sure the reaction you reported to the vet is there. Ask your vet to help with reporting to authorities. Vets are supposed to do this. You might also want to read this article about why vets don’t recognize vaccine reactions: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/17/why-vets-dont-recognize-vaccine-reactions/

    You’ll need a really good holistic vet. Check out my two referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets Also, where do you live? I might know someone who can help.

  320. Abby Says:

    About a year ago we adopted a 2 year old beautiful labrador retriever/whippet mix from the animal shelter. The dog was very healthy and very active. We would take her for walks every day. She was a very loving family dog who would snuggle up to you. She was a very happy dog and we grew very attached to her.

    Well almost a year later, we received a postcard in the mail that it was time to get the rabies shots and 2 other shots to renew the dog license. We went to the low cost vaccination event at the animal shelter thinking this was the thing to do to renew the dog license. Our dog seemed healthy at the time we went to the vaccination clinic. They administered the rabies and 2 other required shots that same day. The next day, our dog was vomiting and having seizures, was very lethargic and not eating at all. We took her to the vet and they gave her fluids (electrolytes and anti nausea medicine) and told us to take her home and see if she will feel better the next day. She was so lethargic that she slept curled in a ball all day long.

    The following day, our dog was having seizures again and I also noticed she was breathing very rapidly. Her condition got worse. I brought the dog back to the vet. They did a blood test and found our dog had pancreatitis and was having kidney failure. We were crushed. The dog had to be hospitalized and given IV fluids and antibiotics. We were told that if our dog did not respond to the IV and antibiotics, the prognosis did not look good.

    The next day, the vet called and said our dog was not responding to the IV fluids and antibiotics and her kidneys were failing along with the pancreatitis getting worse. Her condition was worsening. So, after going over our options with the vet, we had to make the painful decision to euthanize our dog to end her pain and suffering she endured from the side affects of the rabies shot.

    Here we had a playful, healthy dog the day before the rabies shot, and in a matter of 3 days after the shots, we lost our dog. If we would have known about the side affects of the rabies shots, I would not have had our dog vaccinated. We truly believe that the rabies shot was what did her in. Our dog had all the symtoms of the rabies shot side affects.The vet said that the rabies shot was not the cause of the kidney value and that it was something she may have ingested that was toxic causing damage to her kidneys. The rabies vaccine was the TOXIC!!

    I wished I could have read your website with all the comments before I sent my dog to her death sentence!. I am upset that perhaps this could have been prevented and our dog would be here today if I knew about the rabies vaccine side affects.

    Thank you for putting the information out there about the dangerous affects of the rabies vaccine.

  321. Jan Says:

    Abby, I’m so sorry for your loss. Yours is a tragically familiar story.

    I have several questions: what made you think it was the rabies vaccine? What were the other two vaccines? Some are just as dangerous. And the combination may have been overwhelming. Worst of all, you couldn’t avoid the rabies but the others may have been unnecessary. Why did you call them “required shots.”

    Also, would you mind if I posted your story on my new not-for-profit all-vaccination website: http://www.truth4pets.org? I’d need your explicit permission and a photo or two of you dog, plus her name. You wouldn’t have to do any more work, unless you could find out about the other vaccines and we could add that. We are collecting vaccine stories to alert the world about what is happening, and it will get more views there. There’s more info here: http://truth4pets.org/category/vaccine-reactions/your-stories/

    We also have a petition on Change.org. Veterinarians: Fully Inform Us Before Vaccinating Our Dogs and Cats at http://www.change.org/petitions/veterinarians-fully-inform-us-before-vaccinating-our-dogs-and-cats

    Each signature on the petition will send an email to the AVMA, USDA, pet insurance companies and state vet boards asking them to stop enabling over-vaccination and start fully informing us before vaccinating. It just takes a moment and they don’t sell your email address. Please, please sign it and share it.

    If you want to correspond about any this privately, just ask. I’ll email you.

    Thanks, and again, I’m so sorry.

  322. Mary Takaoka Says:

    Hi, we just put our 10 year old sweet Sheltie Simba down. We brought him over here to Japan with us when he was age 6 in 2008. Before we came here, Simba was active and curious.

    Japan requires about 9 Rabies shots for imported animals from America. Right away we could see that he was gaining weight and getting bloated, not to mention his changed personality. We called him, “Eeyore” the donkey from Winnie the Pooh after arriving in Japan.

    Also Simba started to have dry flaky skin, and there was a lump under his left armpit.

    Simba continued to love our walks, and loved to bark at everything, but he started having dry gags, especially after drinking some water. This last year he didn’t want to walk so much.

    We gave him medicine and prayed for him continually. The vet was surprised how long he lived after he was diagnosed in May 2010 with liver cancer, but he finally succumbed last Saturday.

    Rest in peace, Simba Sep 2002~2012 ! You were such a good dog! We love you always! Dedicated by your family, the Takaoka’s.

  323. Lori Says:

    Thank you for your informative article. I have long been sounding the alarm against all vaccines used against children and adults but had not had a dog in many years. We adopted a sweet and very loving long-legged Jack Russell Terrier over a month ago.

    It was required that we spay her and get her rabies shot within 30 days. While I had done extensive research on the horrible effects of vaccines on children, I did not know about the equally common and disastrous effects on our pets.

    The first 3 weeks she was probably the sweetest and most loving animal I have ever had in my life. We took her in to get swayed and they did her rabies shot at the same visit. As soon as she got over the initial healing from the surgery, she rapidly had a complete change in behavior. Extreme hyperactive episodes with aggressive behavior towards us, erratic and uncontrollable activity such as eating up wood in backyard, clothes in the house, you name it. She turned into a Dr.Jekyll/Mr. Hyde type of animal that continued to get worse to the point of losing trust with her being around our family. Sadly, for our safety we felt like we had no choice but to make an immediate decision to take her back to the shelter before she hurt one of us.

    I will not be silent about this and am angry that I felt forced to do these things in essence paid a vet to ruin our sweet beautiful little girl. I would probably have not even gotten her spayed and resisted the vaccination for as long as legally possible if I had known there was such a problem like this with the rabies vaccine. I should have known better with all my research but just frankly had not had a pet in many years and heard of this problem effecting our beloved animals.

    Our family will never forget our sweet girl and I don’t want any family to go through these horrible conflicting emotions and sense of loss.

    Thank you for your information and I hope we can do whatever we can to fight this horrible mandatory procedure that is harming our pets and our families.

    PS I must add that she was also in heat when the spay and shot were done. I questioned them about doing the spay while in heat and was told that it was ok and they just charged a little bit more because there would be more blood loss but that it was still safe. The shelter said it had to be done within 30 days or else a $200. fine and repossession of our pet.

  324. Jan Says:

    Lori, all of your dog’s symptoms are symptoms of a reaction to the rabies vaccine. Just as an adverse reaction to the Bordetella vaccine resembles kennel cough, and a reaction to the human flu shot can resemble the flu, a reaction to the rabies vaccine can resemble rabies. Please report the reaction to the USDA and drug manufacturer; your vet is supposed to do this but probably didn’t. http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/

    I lost my dog last month to a reaction to a long ago rabies vaccine. Please see my latest post and new 3-minute video. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2012/10/03/the-darker-side-of-pet-vaccination-a-video-to-save-lives/

    I hope you will expand your post here (I can send it to you if necessary) and add photos if you have them. http://www.truth4pets.org/tell-your-story And join us in our fight. We need an army.

    Jan

  325. Louise Says:

    Jan, I have an approx 2 year old westie that we rescued from a puppymill a year ago, she was one of over 500 dogs. At the time she was seized from the puppy mill she rec’d all her shots, you name it, she got it through the international humane society. She would of been approx 1 year at the time and I assume these are the first shots she ever received. Now a year later I am being told she should get a booster for rabies etc. Based on the fact that I am pretty sure she has only had one rabies vaccine in her life should she have her second now or should I titer? She is healthy in every way – no issues at all and I want to keep it that way. Thanks for you input.

  326. Jan Says:

    Hi Louise. According to experts, it takes two vaccines, a year apart, for a dog to develop immunity. A titer won’t help with the law yet. I wish it did. Please read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/ Also, check out the great work of http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org They are working to make titers legal.

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  328. Jan Says:

    Elijah, I’m sorry you’re getting multiple comments. Please click the unsubscribe at the bottom of one email.

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  331. Joyce Says:

    I am relocating for work from Canada to Singaopre, but Singapore has straight guidelines on rabies shot. Here’s my dilemma, my almost 4 year old maltese got his rabies shot back in august 2009 and its expiry was august 2012. I didnt bring him for another shot as i wanted to “stretch” it longer to avoid any health risk, but now i need to move with him, and in order to qualify for 10 days quarantine for him, i need to do a rabies shot niw and then another one within one month of departure, which is likely be in August 2013. Can these rabies shot do twice since theres only 6 months gap? Is it too harsh on his body? If i only do one rabies shot instead of 2, then he needs to quarantine for 30 days instead of 10 days…. I worry about him… Any feedback and comments will be greatly appreciated.. Many thanks in advance!

  332. Jan Says:

    Joyce, you do have a dilemma. Two vaccines so close together are dangerous, but so is having your dog in a kennel for a month. That could cause emotional problems as well as health problems. My dogs are Maltese and I know how delicate they are.

    Here’s a question. What’s the vaccination protocol in Singapore? How often, if ever, do they require a rabies shot? Make sure you know the requirements.

    If they were my dogs (I’m not a vet), I’d do the two shots but have a holistic vet do the vaccinating. See if you can find one near you at http://www.truth4pets.org/vets

    Make sure you use a vaccine that is thimerosol free — that is, free of mercury. Merial makes the one most of my vet friends recommend. This is very important. And make sure you follow the guidelines in this article: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

    Make sure, too, that your dog is getting the best food possible. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/food The healthier the dog, the better the result.

    Good luck. Enjoy Singapore. It’s a beautiful place. I’m told the national bird is a crane (the mechanical kind used in building).

  333. Chad Fisher Says:

    I thought I was being a responsible pet owner whenever the vet would send a card of the required shots. We took our 4yr old 55lb black/white short haired mixed terrier in (1-17-13) for his Rabies Vaccination (3yr Vx2225) and he was in perfect health before that day. One day after the shot a yellowish diarrhea started and continued for another 5 days.

    On 1-21-13 I took him back to the vet for the diarrhea where they gave these three following injections (PS4875 Penicillin G)…. (Ho1075- Fluids Subcutaneous)….. (Ol 1450 Pepcid Famotidine) and I got tablets of (Ant2650-Flagyl Metronidazole}

    No sooner than we left my local vets office the vomiting started and continued for the next 3 hours as well with shivering. At that point we took him to a different emergency vet at around 11pm on 1-21-13. They did 4 radiographs (X-rays) and they came back perfect. Next up was blood work and it came up perfect. So they gave him a (Cerenia injection) and a (Buprenex injection) I was told these were a muscle relaxant and to help stop the vomiting.

    We stayed home from work to monitor him and slowly bring food and water back to him and he did well holding his food down and the diarrhea stopped.

    One thing we noticed roughly 3 days after the Rabies Vaccination was a small light reddish bump start on his chest near his left leg. It was probably about 25mm long and 10mm wide. We thought nothing of it until the morning of 1-30-13 when my wife noticed the area was the size of a tennis ball and was getting hard and scabby. That evening we went back to our local vet where he thought it looked like Vasculitis. He sent us home with an tablet antibiotic (Ant2150-Cephalexin).
    Two days later (2-1-13) he had a hole in his skin starting so once again we went back to the vets office. He told us that our dog would lose the skin in that area, to keep it uncovered, and let the infection out. Three times a day we are to apply a warm compress to help aid in the chunk of skin coming off. Since this is in an area of a lot of movement that surgery may be needed to help heal over. The vet gave us (Ant1715-Baytril 136mg tablets)

    The vet swabbed the area and will be sending it out for a culture test. It will be a week before I know the results.
    So far we are $933.58 into vet costs from what I feel all started from $22.00 Rabies vaccination that had side effects. We have missed work, we have been broken hearted watching our boy go through all this, and were left pondering how did all this happen. All we want is for Jerry to be back to his happy go lucky normal self.

    Chad Fisher

  334. Jan Says:

    Chad, Your vet certainly has given Jerry a lot of antibiotics. Is your vet a specialist in this problem? Maybe you need another opinion. Here’s a vet with lots of experience treating vaccine reactions. You can consult with him by phone. http://www.crvetcenter.com He’s quite brilliant. Or find a holistic vet in your area. http://truth4pets.org/vets/

    The first thing that should have been done is to contact the vaccine maker. Your vet should have done this but often they don’t. The manufacturer, if you make a fuss, may pay for a biopsy and some or all of the treatment. It’s worth a try. http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/

    Has your vet admitted it was the vaccine? Often they don’t.

    Make sure everything is in Jerry’s file so you can file for an exemption next time. Also, do see a holistic vet. Jerry may have other damage not yet manifested.

    Do you mind if I post your comment on my page with rabies reactions? http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/06/18/20/

    Good luck.

  335. Kymberly Sedwick Says:

    Passed by your post and decided to share it on my blog so my followers can see it too. I used the same title, “Rabies Vaccination: Side Effects and Help | Truth4Dogs”

  336. Laurel Says:

    I have a 12 year old healthy Lab mix that had a rabies shot back in April 2012 at my local PetCo pet store. Within about a week, I noticed him having tremors in his hind legs when we were on or walks. He has a lot of energy and loves to run at the park and although I have not noticed any other changes, the tremors continue almost 1 year later. I took him to the vet for a check up immediately after noticing the tremors but they had no idea why it was happening and just said it was because he is getting old. I could not afford xrays after spending almost $500 on blood work & the check up but is it possible the tremors are a reaction to the vaccine?

  337. Janie McLaughlin Says:

    Thank you so much for providing the information on side effects on rabies vaccine! I was researching information regarding the behavioral changes in my rat terrier who previously had a very sweet disposition ever since we adopted him about 5 years ago. He suddenly decided he would not let us put on his harness and lease so we could go for daily walk. He growled at us and backed away. If we tried to approach him he acted as though he would attack us. I never heard that type of growl from any family pet. Then he acted the same way when we put him into and tried to remove him from his kennel where he slept every night since he joined our family. At his last rabies vaccine in Jan. 2012, I had requested he get the 3 year vaccine; but due to miscommunication he was given the 1 year vaccine. I have been very stressed because there was no way to take him to get his vaccine, which I thought was overdue; and I wanted to be a responsible pet owner – protect both my pet and all who would come in contact with them. My husband was bitten by an aggressive stray dog while taking his daily walk two years ago; and because that dog was not current on his vaccines and the neither the owner or dog catcher could not catch the dog, my husband had to take the rabies shots. Another of my dogs began having seizures since her last rabies vaccine last year; but I thought it was due to unknown trauma while she was a stray living on the street. We had to amputate one front leg due to nerve damage and infection. Now I wonder if the rabies vaccine could be responsible for the changes in my pets.

  338. Laurie Smith Says:

    My 3.5 year old Airedale was in great health and we didn’t have any issues. Then in February of this year we were travelling to the US so she needed her rabies updated. Pfizer rabies vaccine. Last week, after dealing with diarrhea, she was opened up and lymphoma was found! The breeder says there isn’t any cancer in her relatives. We are devasted and furious. 2 months after the vaccine….

  339. Louise Says:

    Today my six year old chihuhua (5 lbs 13 ozs) had an adverse reaction to her rabies vac (Pfizer). That is the only vac she got today. Two hours after the vac her muzzle, face, area around her eyes, etc. were all swollen, she had hives & welts over 40% of her body, her belly was beet red with welts. I called the original vet & took her to a closer vet where she was treated with steriods & benadryl injectables. Upon returning home, I called pfizer to report the reaction. Everyone needs to report EVERY reaction. The lady sounded like she was reading a script as she told me a reaction was possible any time anything was put into a body…. This same chihuahua had a reaction three years ago, at that time she had two vacs so we didn’t know which vac was the culprit, I pulled out my old records and was shocked to find that three years ago one of the vacs was the Pfizer Defensor 3 Rabies vac…. I’m thinking that i will discontinue rabies althoughter, there seems to be more danger in the vacs than likelihood that she will encounter rabies while sitting on the couch in my living room. I certainly will ensure that if she is vaccinated it is not with the Pfizer vac.

  340. Jan Says:

    Louise, make sure the reactions are recorded in your dog’s file. You may need to file for an exemption to rabies vax. I hope your dog is finished with all shots. Puppy shots are for puppies, not adults. Please read this for more information. http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ I hope your dog has completely recovered but watch for other hypersensitivity and allergic reactions. They could be related.

  341. Sheila Says:

    My son had two terrier crosses who had their initial Rabies vaccination 3 years ago. They needed a booster so that they could still be brought back into the UK when they travelled abroad. They were given the boosters at the beginning of May.
    Instead of receiving usual vaccinations for parvo etc they were both treated with an homeopathic combined altenative, as are all my own dogs. Last weekend they killed a rat, the third in the last few weeks, in their kennel, on Monday the dog was off his food, we took him to the vet who suspected Leptospirosis as he had yellowing in his eyes and gums, various test were carried out ad he was put on drip and given anti-biotics, his blood indicated his liver and kidneys were damaged in some way. The bitch developed Jaundice the next day so antibiotics were prescribed for her too, I contacted my Homeopathic Pharmacy and they supplied some medication for them both. We went to collect the dog from the vet on Friday but his condition had deteriorated so much that the decision was made to put him to sleep. The bitch seemed a bit better this morning but when we went to give her medicaion after lunch, she suddenly had a fit which lasted several seconds, then brought up frothy blood and went into shock, despite giving her rescue remedy she died in my sons arms after a few minutes. I have 10 other dogs, one in the adjacent kennel, who also killed some rats. All the other dogs are still well and are showing no adverse symptoms, but they have not been vaccinated for rabies. The vet is saying the dogs were not protected by homeopathic vaccines for Leptospirosis. The pharmacist at the homeopathic pharmacy believes that the rabies vaccine compromised the dogs’ autoimmune systems.
    The lab results for Leptospirosis were inconclusive. What did the dogs die from. Could the Rabies Vaccine have been the cause of death directly or indirectly of the dogs?
    Thank you

  342. Jan Says:

    Sheila, what a heartbreaking story. I’m so sorry so you and your son and the dogs.

    The rabies vaccine could have been contributory; it’s hard to say. Another thought is that perhaps the rat had been poisoned with rat bait and the dogs were poisoned indirectly.

    Whether or not the dogs had Lepto, or whether the remedy (a nosode?) had protected them from Lepto or whether Lepto was even present, will probably remain a mystery.

    Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful.

  343. Marcie Says:

    My 5 month old bichon frise had her rabies vaccination on Monday. She did really well and acted like her normal self for the next 4 days. On the 5th day, however, she acted very tired and was dis interested in her usual food; but did eat chicken and rice. Today, she has also been sleeping much more than usual and hasn’t wanted to play. She did have chicken this morning but threw it up. I did feed her chicken again later which so far has stayed down. She just acts really tired and is not her normal bouncy little self. Does this sound like it could be related to the rabies vaccination? Thank you so much.

  344. Jan Says:

    Marcie, here’s an article that might help. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    I’d like it if you could talk with a holistic vet about this. There are referral lists for vets, including vets who’ve been trained in homeopathy and vets who’ll consult by phone. Conventional vets probably won’t know what to do, but they’ll be better than nothing if the condition persists. But sooner is better than later. Don’t wait till she’s really in trouble. http://www.truth4pets.org/vets

    Check your dog carefully for ticks, just in case that’s the problem. And read this before even thinking of vaccinating again. http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

    Good luck.

  345. Marcie Says:

    Hi Jan,
    Thank you so much for taking the time to write a reply. I appreciate all the helpful info. you provided. I am glad to say my puppy is better this morning; but I am still concerned about her. Even though she has been playing this morning and definitely acting more like herself; she also has congestion that settled in last night. I clicked on the first link you provided but didn’t see congestion listed as a side effect. Do you think this could still possibly be vaccine related? Her rabies vaccination was a stand alone and I had it done 3 weeks after her last distemper shot. There is a holistic vet nearby but, unfortunately, they are not taking new patients as it is closing. I could try to call though or I can consult the list you provided. The other thing I wondered about is that I took her out for a walk on Friday.(She had only been out for 1 walk previously as I didn’t want her out walking until she had all of her shots.) and was wondering if because of the rabies vaccine her immune system was lowered and she might have picked up something on the walk?? Thank you too for advising on the tick. I have not seen any but I will check again. Thank you very much for any additional insight and if you still think I should consult a holistic vet.
    Marcie

  346. Jan Says:

    Marcia, you might want to watch this video on ticks. http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/videos.aspx If you can afford it, definitely contact a holistic vet. They can help ward off worsened conditions. Good luck.

  347. Jan Says:

    Marcia, here’s a good article on ticks. http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/07/23/tick-borne-disease-in-dogs.aspx

  348. Marcie Says:

    Jan,,
    That was a great video by Dr. Becker on ticks. I found it very informative; especially the testing info. I have bookmarked it. Since the puppy is improving, I am hoping it is just something viral she picked up. I tried calling the holistic vet but just got the answering machine. I will try again and leave a message if I can’t reach anyone. Thank you again.

  349. Marcie Says:

    Jan,
    I just checked my puppy for ticks again and found and removed one on her. I will definitely be getting her checked out. Thank you SO much for suggesting I check her for ticks. It is somewhat engorged and I think it has the white spot for Lone Star Tick. I will be watching the video again so that I know what tests to ask for. Thank you again!!

  350. christina Says:

    How do I report a bad reaction to the manufacture of the rabies vaccine? I have the vaccine name and the serial number but I couldn’t find anywhere to report the reaction!

    My 14 pound dog went into anaphylactic shock shortly after receiving the rabies vaccine. She started vomiting, couldn’t stand, eyes dilated and zoned out, unresponsive to her surrounding and just staring into space, gums stark white, she lost her bowels and pooped all over the table where she was laying, temperature spiked, blood red rash developed on her belly, chest, throat, and ears.

    The emergency treatment was expensive and I don’t even care to get my money back. But if I can’t get my dog exempt how on earth is she going to be able to survive her next treatment! She nearly died! She got treatment not even 2 minutes after she started reacting because it was while she was in the vet office. And it took her 30 minutes to even perk her ears when we talked to her and make eye contact with us again. And then another 30 minutes to even lift her head off the table. Little over an hour later she was ok to walk again but still very weak. I am stressing on having to get her vaccinated again! My state doesn’t offer exemptions!

  351. christina Says:

    Oh, and another question. Since my dogs reaction was really severe initially, what are the chances that worsening symptoms will occur days to weeks from now? Or will she be good as new here on out since she is back on track and seems quite normal now. She got her shot a little over 12 hours ago.

  352. christina Says:

    Wow I just read 2 OTHER people who’s dogs had a negative reaction to the Pfizer rabies vaccine within the last three months! Which is slightly ironic how that was the same vaccine that my dog had her reaction too! Everyone should report the reaction to the manufacturer!

  353. Jan Says:

    Christina, here’s how to report the reaction. http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/ Get lot #s, too.

    Ask the manufacturer to pay for treatment. Even if you don’t care, they should do it. Give them an incentive to stop hurting dogs.

    Re vaccinating again, a good vet won’t vaccinate a dog that has had such a bad previous reaction and should go to bat against authorities. And the vet should definitely report the case as well to the manufacturer and USDA. Vets not reporting reactions is what lets them say that reactions are rare. They are not.

    Make sure you dog’s case is well documented. Get copies of everything. And change the law if you have to. Start right away. Cases like yours are what gets laws changed. Where do you live? What vaccine was used? Was it thimerosol free (with a TF on the table)?

  354. Jan Says:

    Christina, it sounds like your dog’s reaction was an immediate allergic reaction. It’s possible, although I personally wouldn’t risk it, that giving another brand would not cause a reaction if you have to vaccinate again. And make sure it’s thimerosol free (no mercury). And have a holistic vet do it. In fact, I’d try to find a good holistic vet to help your dog with any lasting health issues. http://www.truth4pets.org/vets

    Did your dog get other vaccines or drugs at the same time? How old is your dog? Was this the first vaccine or a “booster”?

    Please read this http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

  355. christina Says:

    Thanks for the response. My dog is 4 years old and she ONLY received that vaccine. She had a rabies vaccine 18 months prior to that as well and had no reaction. This was her 3rd rabies vaccine.
    The type was Defensor 3 by Pfizer Serial Number S284568B I don’t see a TF but when I looked up things about the shot it did say it had the adjucents (sp) antibiotics, and something else… I forget.
    State law requires she get a shot every year and before even leaving the vets after watching my dog almost die the vet stated, “now, you still have to come back to get her vaccinated when it’s due. It’s the law. As much as you don’t want to. We’ll inject her with a antihistamine 30 minutes prior..” Um NO not doing it. Went to my county Chief of Animal control, explained what happened. She is now EXEMPT from my county. Just have to keep the drs note on hand and I can still get her dog license. So people, even if it’s a state law, don’t fret, start LOCALLY! They may still exempt you! The animal control and animal shelter now know that my dog is exempt!

  356. christina Says:

    I live in the state of Delaware. So in the north east. FOrgot to answer that question, sorry.

  357. Jan Says:

    Christina, EVERY US state has a 3-year law. A few localities don’t. The 3 yr vaccine is guaranteed by the manufacturer for 3 years.

    There apparently s a new addition to Delaware law. Check it out. If it says what I think it says, your vet is way behind times.

    New addition to the law:

    DELAWARE Rabies Bill SB 236 passed 6/30/12 http://legis.delaware.gov/LIS/LIS146.nsf/vwLegislation/SB+236?Opendocument with insertion of underlined language in the bill text below to prevent veterinarians from issuing 1 or 2 year rabies certificates when a 3 year vaccine is administered.
    Text: http://legis.delaware.gov/LIS/lis146.nsf/vwLegislation/SB+236/$file/legis.html?open “The veterinarian administering the vaccine shall complete the certificate specifying accurately the manufacturer’s specifications of the duration of immunity of the rabies vaccination used ….”

  358. christina Says:

    Oh yeah I forgot to say 3 year, not yearly. Sorry! You know, I NEVER knew they had a 3 year vaccine until after I moved to the North East? Texas NEVER even offered 3 year vaccines. That’s why my dog was on her 3rd rabies vaccine. This last one was a “3 year vaccine” but her vets in Texas NEVER ever mentioned that they can be good for 3 years. I was so surprised! and angry how mislead i was when getting my dog vaccinated

  359. Josephine Says:

    Excellent post but I was wondering if you could write a litte more on this subject?
    I’d be very grateful if you could elaborate a little bit further. Thanks!

  360. Lori Benett Says:

    Itza, my much loved Boxer was 11 yrs when she passed. She was happy and healthy until she received the rabies vaccine on 3/20/10 (a 3 yr) and a few months after, she became a different pup. She had such terrible separation anxiety that if I left her for a few minutes, she would actually howl and scream that after a while I just couldn’t leave her at all.

    She started having seizures also. She was crate trained as a puppy and loved her crate, but her personality changed to the point that I was unable to get her near her crate. Her appetite was voracious however, she could lost so much weight, she was skin and bones. None of the meds that my vet prescribed helped one bit. It was horredous seeing my once healthy pup go thru this.

    I suspected this may have been caused by the rabies vaccine, however, after becoming involved in your website (I also received an email just today re: this topic) I researched again ~ the vaccine was given on 3/20/10 and she passed after many months of being ill and with a completely changed personality (still much, much loved) on 12/31/10. (9 Months later)…

    I wish I would have found your website when my pup was happy and healthy then I could have used common sense and not listened to the vet that advised she MUST HAVE the vaccine.
    I will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again.

  361. Brenda Head Says:

    Marceau my 12 year old Bichon Frise began having Cluster Seizures 3 weeks after his vaccinations. He did not have rabies because of a reaction last year he was able to qualify for a exemption from rabies vaccinations. He seizured for 3 days did not go to sleep for 3 days and nights and paced the floor and cried constantly. He developed brain damage and had to be euthanized. He was and is the love of my life. I am devastated. Now I am terrified for my 11 month old maltese who is 3 lbs. 5 oz.

  362. Jan Says:

    Brenda, you are right to be concerned about your Maltese, especially one that small. It’s unlikely she/he will need any vaccine, presuming she had one parvo/distemper vaccine after 15 weeks of age unless you vaccinate against rabies. Please read http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

    If you vaccinate against rabies, please go to a holistic vet. http://www.truth4pets.org And read: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

    I’m so sorry for your loss.

  363. Lyn kane Says:

    I live in S.Spain. Last week my 16 month old large puppy, bit a man down by the river on the leg and drew blood. He went to the local hospital. The next day I received a phone call from the vet at the hospital to take the dog in to see her. We did this and she said it was no problem but I. One week she would telephone to see if we still had the dog and then 2weeks after he had bitten the man we had to give the dog the rabies injection, and then go with the dog and vaccination to show her.
    I do not understand why we have to wait 2 weeks to do this, do you understand?
    And after reading all the hirrible reactions to Rabies injections I am now very nervous but know of course it will have to be done.

  364. Jan Says:

    Lyn, I don’t understand waiting two weeks to vaccinate. Odd. When you do vaccinate, go to a holistic vet if you can. http://www.truth4pets.org/vets (I’m not sure if my referral lists show vets in Spain.) Use a thimerosol-free vaccine if you can. And read this first: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

    A 16 month old large puppy will likely do fine. It’s much better than vaccinating a 16 week old toy dog. You will likely have to vaccinate again in 3 yrs.

    Good luck.

  365. Cindi Says:

    We had a beautiful male brindle boxer. He was do full of love and life, we took him to the vets to get his 3-year Rabies vaccine. Within 45 min’s of receiving his Rabies vaccine, he started foaming at the mouth & from his nose and he started seizing!! I panicked, I called the vets office, told them what was happening and they told me, “we’ll, it’s a dead virus, I don’t believe it was caused by the Rabies Vaccine. I persisted in explaining why I knew it was the Rabies vaccine that had caused it. He refused to talk to me any longer. I contacted a couple of “Specialty Vets”. And they confirmed that it was the Rabies Vaccine that had caused his seizures! The following year our beloved boxer, so dear to our hearts, developed cancer. He died toward the end of 2012 and the beginning of 2013.
    Our hearts are empty without him.. We will NEVER!! Forget our beloved Aarris. How do you get a dog license after the original vaccines if you live in a place where you are fined for not getting the additional Rabies Vaccine? I will never again vaccinate more than once … Be very careful when it comes to vaccinating your animals. Heart broken. Cindi

  366. Jan Says:

    Hi Cindi. I’m so sorry for your loss. Did you or the Specialty vet report the seizures to the USDA? I don’t think it’s too late and it’s important. http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/

    I hope you laid into the vet who wouldn’t admit it was the vaccine. It happens all the time. They don’t want to admit they did something that hurt your pet OR they never bothered to read the package instructions.

    We in CA are fighting a rabies law wanting to vaccinate puppies too early. If you have a minute, I hope you’ll call the Governor’s office to protest. It doesn’t matter where you live. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/AB272

    The best way to give a rabies vaccine is with a holistic vet. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets If a dog has a reaction, exemptions are available in some states.

    Thanks so much for sharing your story.

  367. Connie Says:

    How many dogs will have to die, before they admit the Rabies vaccine causes cancer? My dog had surgery for (same as someone else mentioned on here), a soft tissue spindle sarcoma and possible peripheral nerve sheath tumor. She suffered greatly after surgery to try to remove what they could, loss the use of her legs and couldn’t walk in matter of days. My friend had the same with her dog, put to sleep today. We took care of our dogs in top fashion, this should have never occurred. Other sites admit this is happening in cats, mid to lower spine. This is a travesty. My pet trusted me to take care of her, just as I trusted Vets with her health. The manufacturers can say well it’s only so many in whatever number that has a problem, but when it’s you baby and you have to watch them die, robbed of half their life, it’s heartbreaking. I cry my eyes out everyday, I miss her so bad. Either they do something to change this or people will just start refusing.

  368. Jan Says:

    Connie, I can very much emphasize with your loss. I lost my dog to a rabies vaccine that caused autoimmune liver disease and eventually liver cancer. There are stories about injection-site tumors in dogs at http://truth4pets.org/2012/07/canine-injection-site-sarcoma/#more-633 This poor woman lost two dogs to it.

    Please report the loss of your dog, and ask your friend to report her loss, at http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/ Sometimes, they will help pay vet bills. At least the reaction will be reported so they can’t claim it won’t happen. http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/ Vets are supposed to report reactions but seldom do.

    Learn more about over-vaccination at http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

    Thanks for sharing your story.

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  370. lillian roberts Says:

    I took my 7 month old pitbull mix puppy in to be spayed and they also gave her rabies vaccine. When we got home she seemed to show more signs of illness. she has been throwing up like every 3 hours. her appitite seems to lessen more and more. is this the start of something serious? also i heard your suppose to keep a dog seperated from people and other dogs for a couyple weeks after getting a rabie shot or they will become agreesive and mean. is this true?

  371. Jan Says:

    Lillian, it is possible, but rare, for the rabies vaccine to increase aggressiveness after vaccination.

    How is your dog feeling now? Did the vomiting subside? Make sure you report this reaction to your vet and tell them you want it in your dog’s file. You may someday need to try to get an exemption if the reaction was severe.

  372. Jan Says:

    Lillian, also, your vet should never have given a vaccine before or during surgery. It can be life threatening if the reaction occurs during the surgery. Find another vet.

  373. Elizabeth Says:

    Hello I was wondering if there is anyway to avoid toxic vaccinations for a British dog travelling to America? Are there any exemptions or holistic vaccinations that will be accepted? I would like to move to America but there is no way I will harm my dogs or myself with such vaccinations. It would be awesome if someone could help with my query. Thank you

  374. Jan Says:

    Elizabeth, I don’t know for sure but I would be very surprised if you can avoid vaccination, especially rabies. You might try pettravel.com and/or the American Consulate for the current rules. If you do have to vaccinate, please read this first: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/

    Good luck!

  375. Joy Says:

    Hi there,

    It’s been years but until now I’m having trouble accepting and understand why my dog died. He’s a rescue dog and we weren’t really sure about this age. We only estimate that he could be 3-4 months old. We had him vaccinated and that afternoon he acted very weird. My hyper-active pup started to slowed down and refused to eat & even drink water. HIs body and eyes turned yellow. We brought him back to the vet and they gave him an IV. The vet said he must be sick even before they administered the shot and it just got worst. My pup died after 3 days. Do you guys think that the shot caused his death?

  376. Jan Says:

    Joy, I’m so sorry about the loss of your dog. It’s very likely that the vaccines killed your dog.

    If the dog was seriously ill before being vaccinated, the vet should have detected it and waited. The truth is, many vets just refuse to believe that vaccines can cause serious illness and death even though the vaccine package insert says they can. They have a vested interest in believing they caused no harm. Read Why Vets Don’t Recognize Vaccine Reactions to learn more. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/17/why-vets-dont-recognize-vaccine-reactions/

  377. Elizabet Casey Says:

    Lexi had bloodwork done in October to test for kidney thyroid etc she passed with flying colors. On Nov 5 she had a rabies shot, On Dec 27, she had a vestibular occurrence and has to be hospitalized. She was only 9 and I had to put her down a week later. All other shots were covered with titres, and found to have ample immunity. Do you think her stroke was caused by the rabies shot? I have copies of documents to prove how healthy she was and the so called stroke came on so suddenly, I jus am having a difficult time accepting her death.

  378. Jan Says:

    Elizabet, I’m so sorry for your loss. I haven’t heard of the vaccine causing a stroke but it can cause a lot of stress, autoimmune disease, blood disease, etc. When you’re up, report it to the manufacturer. They’ll say the events weren’t related, but they will still have to report it to the USDA. http://truth4pets.org/reporting-reactions/

    I checked out http://vestibular.org/ototoxicity and it does seem to be related to drugs or to heredity. I wish I knew more. If you find a link, let me know.

    Take care.

  379. Erika Says:

    My miniature schnauzer (now 8.5 years old) reacted to her rabies vaccine 3 years ago with severe hives, itching, labored breathing, and vomiting. As the time approached to have her re-vaccinated this year, I was a nervous wreck, terrified of what was to come. In a perfect world, since she’s an inside dog who goes NOWHERE other than walks in the neighborhood, I would avoid any further vaccinations altogether.

    Unfortunately, my husband and his family are addicted to taking trips out of town, in which case we have to board my dogs. If you want to board a dog, they MUST have all the unnecessary vaccinations ‘up to date.’ So, my vet convinced my husband the dog would be fine if they premedicated with benadryl.

    She had the shot and seemed okay for 24 hours except she kept scratching a ton. I tried to put faith in the vets word and the benadryl, but I knew in my pessimistic heart that this was a bad idea all around. My husband thought I was overreacting and being a worry wort, when all of a sudden, about 27 hours after the injection, her face grew, she was bright red, welts were everywhere on her body, she was crying, and her breathing was labored. What I’d predicted came true, and I immediately ran out the door to the after hours emergency vet.

    With steroids and heavy antihistamines, she survived, but now I”m fearful of what will happen in 3 years. In Pima County, AZ, there are NO exemptions for the rabies vaccine, especially if I need to board her. Maybe I just won’t go on any more trips with my husband in the future. I feel like vaccinating my dogs is like me choosing their death sentence out of the blue when they’re perfectly happy and healthy. My other dog has IBD which is distressing enough in itself since it’s a chronic and severe ailment. I will NEVER have animals again after dealing with all these issues and quality-of-life altering decisions. NEVER AGAIN.

  380. Jan Says:

    Erika, your vet really let you down. And your husband, who was sure he was right, probably based on no good information, let you down as well.

    I travel but never board my dogs because of the crazy vaccination requirements and because it’s very stressful for the dog. Have you ever thought of a house sitter? There are plenty of people who will stay with your dog, and watch your house, for the same price. And you won’t have huge vet bills, and guilt, afterwards.

    I hope you’ll read this before considering vaccinating again. http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

  381. catherine cauilan Says:

    I took my dog to the vet today and the vet accidentally administered the 3 year rabies vaccine. My dog recently already had his 3 year vaccine a few months ago. What are the possible long term side effects or adverse reactions? Thanks.

  382. Jan Says:

    Catherine, first fire your vet. This should never happen. And start keeping records yourself so this doesn’t happen again. It’s very dangerous. The rabies vaccine is the most adversely reactive.

    Almost anything can happen. The most likely is an allergic reaction in the next few days. After that, he could be fine or he could develop an autoimmune disease or almost anything in-between. If you can afford to see a holistic vet, I would. http://www.truth4pets.org/vets

    Otherwise, just watch your dog carefully for any change. If you dog becomes ill, report it so it goes into his record. And see another vet for treatment. Most conventional vets haven’t a clue how to treat anything other than an allergic reaction.

    Please read http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/ Good luck.

  383. isa guhn Says:

    I have an almost 5 month old pit bull puppy and I havent taken her to get her rabies shot because of everything that I have read on here. Right now she’s great. I don’t want to make the mistake of taking her and risking her health. I don’t know what kinds of vaccines to take her to get that wouldn’t give her any bad side effects. What is the best thing to do?

  384. Jan Says:

    Isa, here’s an article for you to read about vaccinating your puppy. http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

    Read this about rabies vaccination: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/09/23/rabies-vaccination-12-ways-to-vaccinate-more-safely/ I hope this helps.

  385. Becjy Says:

    I have a Chihuahua 12 pounds. Almost a month ago, he got his rabies shot (3yr) the next day, you could tell he didn’t feel well, would not walk, eat or drink. And if you picked him up, he would yelp. The Vet said to give him some Benadryl, and the next day he was back to himself. But today, I noticed on what I assume was the injection site, his hair is coming out in clumps. Could this be related to the Rabbies shot? And should I take him to the vet?

  386. Jan Says:

    Becky, it sounds like the hair loss is likely from the rabies vaccine. This is a known reaction. It is sometimes serious.

    Call the vet’s office and find out where they give rabies vaccines. It should be the dog’s right hip or upper right leg. Is this where the hair loss is?

    Once you have the answer, take your dog to the vet. The vet will likely tell you it isn’t the vaccine, but stand your ground if the hair loss is near the injection site or if you feel sure the vaccine caused the loss. You might want to read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/17/why-vets-dont-recognize-vaccine-reactions/ In any event, you need to have the hair loss noted in your dog’s file.

    I’m afraid the vet, if he/she doesn’t recognize the reaction or know how to treat this, will offer an ointment or steroids or an antibiotic. If it is a vaccine reaction, this won’t help. You’ll need a vet who knows what to do. Try the referral list at http://www.truth4pets.org/vets And do some more research on rabies vaccine and hair loss. You might also call the vaccine manufacturer.

    Before you vaccinate again with any vaccine, please read http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ and http://truth4pets.org/2012/06/vaccinating-small-pets/

    I hope this helps.

  387. lurine Says:

    I had no informed consent my dog got his rabies shot,now suffers from seizures ,yeast infection on his back paws and belly area ,his behavior has changed and he eats things hes not suppose to,and we recently found out he has liver disease so he cant be on phenobarbital anymore,vet had to switch to keppra(generic).These bills are blowing me out of the water and i cant get my old vet who administered the shot to agree that it was from the shot,eventhough these are all side effects from the shot.I asked for him to file an exemption for me but hes not knowledgable about the matter.I feel this a great injustice for my dog.Lately he got out with his sister and she jumped on a older kid who was provoking her and now he doesnt know which dog jumped on him so they both have to be quarantined.Im afraid that on the 10th day the will give him another shot because he wasnt current,last shot was given in 2010,and his immune system will be at risk even moreso,please let me know if there’s anything i can do to avoid him getting another rabies shot or iam i going to have to go to court with animal control on this matter.

  388. Jan Says:

    Lurine, you need a vet who will stand up for your dog, and know how to treat your dog, probably a holistic vet. Please see the list at http://www.truth4pets.org/vets. Also, ask the vet who gave the vaccine to give you the package insert — which he will definitely have. This will spell out possible reactions. Also, call the manufacturer of the drug and solicit their help. At least, they should give you access to the package insert. It may also be on-line somewhere — if you can find it. They may offer to help defray expenses.

    You are right to worry about your dog. Your vet needs to be replaced.

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  390. Susan Says:

    My dog, Charlie, had his shots on June 18. Rabies, Parvo/Corona, DHLP plus a steroid shot of Dexamethazone. The vet said he needed it because it looked like he had dermatitis. Charlie had the usual issues, very tired, not very hungry and etc. However on Thursday he started crying in pain. I thought he had gotten hurt. I couldn’t find the source of his pain except that his jaw was clenched. This happened several times. The vet wasn’t very helpful. Saying that it couldn’t be a reaction to the shots because he gave him the steroid shot and that should have kept any side effects in check. Sunday morning we rushed Charlie to the emergency animal clinic. When he was experiencing this pain, his jaws were clenched and his teeth were chattering. The emergency vet said that he was having pain in his hips and wanted to xray him. I said I didn’t believe that it was his hips, I thought it was a reaction to his shots. She said it couldn’t be. Charlie has not had another episode since Sunday.

    Now I am pretty sure that the pain was due to a reaction to his shots, but the vets don’t agree.

    Is there something else that could cause this type of pain? He didn’t have it before the shots and has not had it again since Sunday June 22.

  391. Jan Says:

    Susan, boy, do you need a different vet! Your dog should have never had shots when he had dermatitis. And the shots he had! Coronavirus isn’t recommended by ANY vet school or organization and hasn’t been for years. Rabies should be given alone, not with other vaccines. Lepto (the L) is highly adversely reactive, generally ineffective and only given to dogs that play in woods or wetlands. Unless Charlie is a puppy, the other vaccines were likely unnecessary. And the more vaccines given at once, the more likely are adverse reactions. It’s amazing poor Charlie didn’t go into shock on the spot.

    Your dog likely has dermatitis because of overvaccination. Adult dogs rarely need puppy shots. Please read http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/ or any of the other articles. And watch the video interviews of Drs. Schultz by Dr. Becker.

    Your vet doesn’t blame the vaccines because he/she is ignorant or avoiding blame. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/17/why-vets-dont-recognize-vaccine-reactions/

    Your dog needs to see a holistic vet. Read this: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

    Please, do find another vet and tell the vet why.

  392. Susan Says:

    Thank you so much for your reply. I thought that Charlie didn’t need all those vaccines, he’s almost 2, but the vet said he did. I truly thought that we were going to lose him on Sunday.
    I wish I would have found your site before his appointment last Wed because I wouldn’t have let him have all the shots at one time.

    I am currently looking for another vet.

    Thank you,

    Susan

  393. Sheila Says:

    My 13 yr old son was bit yesterday morning by a chow mix. We were just arriving at a local baseball game as he was walking in the gate, there were 2 chow mix on leashes, as my son walked by. One of the dogs just lunged at him for no reason & bit him on his leg. The coach cleaned it & bandaged it as I was getting the persons name, address & phone #. She was very apologetic, her & her husband were walking the dogs for her elderly mother. She said the dog was up on all the vaccinations. Later that night, we just cleaned it with soap & water, then used hydrogen peroxide & finally neosporin with a band-aid. I found out today that the dog is a few weeks behind on his rabies shot. I will most likely take my son in to see the Dr. just to be on the safer side, but how much of an “emergency” is this? Today is Sunday & the emergency room & urgent care is a bit high in cost if it can wait another day. Is this an emergency situation?
    Thank you!

  394. Jan Says:

    Sheila, vaccines don’t read calendars. The French have proved that a rabies vaccine lasts 5 years and http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org is working to prove the same thing.
    Tell the people you want proof of vaccination and ask them to immediately do a rabies titer test on the dog. Speak to their vet yourself and ask for guidance. It’s unlikely the dog is rabid. Find out if there is any active rabies in your area. The vaccine can cause reactions so proceed with caution. Ask Animal Control how long you can wait to treat your son and if he even needs treating. Note, I am not an MD or a vet.

  395. Jan Says:

    Susan, most adult dogs don’t need puppy shots anymore than you need your childhood shots. Did I send you this? http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2010/12/02/what-to-do-when-your-dog-has-a-vaccine-reaction/

  396. Susan Says:

    My fifteen month old cockapoo went to the vet this past Tuesday and received his vaccinations. He was given distemper (without the lepto), parvo, bordotello (intra nasal), and rabies. Prior to leaving the vet’s office, he vomited and was taken by the doctor to the back for benadryl. By the time the doctor got him to the back, he was in a full anaphylactic reaction to the vaccines. He was given two doses of epinephrine to help him through this trauma. As was explained to me and from what I have read, it was likely the rabies virus since he didn’t receive the lepto. I am seeing a lot of conflicting information about whether he should ever be vaccinated for rabies again. He had absolutely no reaction when he received his puppy shots. Some information I have found states that he should be vaccinated with a pre-treatment for the allergic reaction. It is also stated that he should only receive one vaccine at a time (if I choose to vaccinate him again). Other information states that under no circumstances should he be vaccinated again. I have read that the adjuvants are a major problem in the rabies vaccine. Is there one for dogs without adjuvants? I do not have to make a decision for another three years (although I am definitely leaning toward no more vaccinating) but I am trying to gather information. I want to have a serious talk with my vet to determine if he will agree with me on this topic or if I should shop for a new vet. I have been very happy with my vet’s treatment of him and also with their treatment of my last dog. However, if we cannot agree on this matter, it will necessitate me finding a new vet.

  397. Jan Says:

    Susan, you have been given a lot of inaccurate information.

    First, your dog likely didn’t need the vaccines other than the legally required rabies if it was due. Read http://truth4pets.org/question-before-vaccination/

    Second, it was likely either the rabies or a combination of two many vaccines at once.

    Third, if he were my dog, and not at danger of being bitten by a rabid dog, I wouldn’t vaccinate against rabies if I could get an exemption. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies-laws. You do need to set the groundwork now. Report the reaction to the manufacturers. Make sure the reaction is described in detail in your dog’s file and get a copy of the file.

    Fourth, I personally would be wary of a vet who gave so many puppy shots to an adult dog.

    I hope this helps.

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