The Rabies Vaccine and Your Dog: Side Effects
Written by Jan on June 18, 2008 – 4:39 pmRabies Vaccine Adverse Reactions
The rabies vaccine is arguably the most dangerous shot our dogs get. Because it’s required by law, it’s a difficult shot to avoid. Because the vaccine is made from a “killed” virus, rather than “modified live” virus as are the other important “core” vaccines, manufacturers add dangerous “adjuvants” to boost effectiveness. These adjuvants too often cause adverse reactions, some of which occur quickly, but many of which occur days, weeks or even months after vaccination. A “killed” vaccine (rather than one from a modified live virus), the rabies vaccine contains adjuvants (chemical boosters) to enhance the immunological response. In 1999, the World Health Organization “classified veterinary vaccine adjuvants as Class III/IV carcinogens with Class IV being the highest risk.”
My year-old Maltese Jiggy developed autoimmune liver disease after a rabies shot. Rabies Challenge Fund Founder Kris Christine lost her dog Meadow to a vaccination site fibrosarcoma (cancer). Countless other dogs have developed anaphylactic shock; autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel and central nervous system; seizures and epilepsy; autoimmune hemolytic anemia (AIHA); aggression, separation anxiety and strange compulsive behaviors; lack of muscular coordination; skin disease; fibrosarcomas at injection sites and countless other disorders. Click here to learn more about adverse reactions to the rabies shot.
But the vaccine is required by law, so what can you do about it?
First, if you can trace your dog’s illness to the shot, you may have a better chance of treating it. A steroids and Benadryl shot may stop an allergic reaction, but will likely do nothing for on-going problems.
Second, if your dog has a documented history of problems with this or any other vaccination, you may be able to get a special exemption from your local Animal Control. Your vet needs to be told about any reactions immediately. Make sure they’re documented. Get a copy of the file.
Third, because of an amazing study by the Rabies Challenge Fund, we now have the opportunity to help extend the period between shots to up to seven years, maybe even longer. Even a $5 tax deductible donation to this fund can make a big difference.
Click this link for more information on the rabies vaccine and rabies vaccine reactions and learn how to document and report the reaction (so you can get an exemption from the shot next time), plus protective measures you can take to make the shot safer. Find a holistic vet to help you undo the damage from the shot. Don’t wait too long. Time is important when dealing with reactions.
Please post your questions, stories or comments here. And please read all the previous comments. There’s a lot of good information here including answers to many questions. Click “comment” below.
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June 21st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
These United States, how ununited we are. The state laws concerning rabies are so OUTDATED, they do not take into consideration that vaccinating an animal is the most dangerouse medical procedure doen on a daily basis, is done without FULL DISCLOSURE and certainly done WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT. The damage done to our aniamls is unconscionable. There have been NO titer tracking of the masses vaccinated to even record what is happening with these overvaccinations.SO many animals are receiveing annual immune assualts of the mumbo jumbo polyvalent vaccines and many time FOUR vaccines at a time, full of toxins, heavy metals, adjuvants,poisons that are rapidly destroying the health of the vaccinated animal.WE KNOW that rabies vaccines results in behavior problems (rabies miasms), increased aggression, seizures, autoimmune diseases, thyroid disease, diabetes, Cushings, Addison’s disease and CANCER, many many cancers, mast cell tumors to the whole gamut, the adjuvants are CARCINOGENS. So why the overvaccination? Laws were made like so much in the United States, before the process was investigated. Now, we have vaccinated animals still testing POSITIVE for rabies?????? Why is This? Could it be that we have never tested the long term effects of multiple polyvalent vaccine adminstration on the lot of sickly animals that are now living with VIDS (vaccine induced disease) is it because we are vaccinating sick animals in direct violation to the FDA regulations but even in referral hospitals (BECAUSE THE ANIMAL IS DUE FOR HIS RABIES??????) This is insanity, not to be confused with the fear mongering associated with the need to overvaccinate in the first place. CORPORATE GREED, POLITICAL COMPROMISE, LAWMAKERS WHO ARE IDIOTS ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Rabies vaccines, every vaccine results in genetic mutation, what are we doing to the animals? What are we doing to the people?
July 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Hello!
I saw your ad in The OC Dog just by chance and it caught my attention when I read “Rabies vaccine is one of the most dangerous shots for dogs & cats.” Personally, I knew that, but no one ever talks about it!
I’m in Huntington Beach. I have a Maltese, 8 years old. She has horrific skin problems. I have literally spent thousands on her care, spared no expense, we see a Board Certified Veternary Dermatologist regularly and we still can’t really make it “go away.” We can barely even make her comfortable. Her feet and armpits are extremely raw and irritated, and she constantly has internal bacterial infections.
I moved here from Oregon when she was 1yr. She never had skin problems or allergies, then all of a sudden she gets them here, after about a year. After we were FORCED to give her a rabies shot at the vet. I never gave rabies to my dogs previously – my Mom was a breeder of champion Maltese and Yorkshire Terriers when I was a kid and I knew the problems they caused (she knew people who had very expensive dogs literally die on the spot) plus I knew my dog would never be out in the wild or even in the back yard by herself, so her chances of ever needing a rabies shot was a million to one.
She obviously lived through her rabies vaccines, but it never occured to me that her skin problems could be from the rabies vaccine? We’ve only been here 6 years and she has had two shots. Her allergies/skin problems get worse and worse and at this point she is generally considered to have an extremely serious skin problem. Right now it looks like we may be forced to just go on steroids so that she can be comfortable, but it will definitely end her life early. It really angers me.
Thanks,
Traci & Lulu
July 21st, 2008 at 9:18 am
Hi,
I adopted a young chihuahua, she was 8 weeks when I got her, she had her first shots DHLP Parvo, then I brought her for her 2nd series, which was DHLP Parvo , corona and Bordetella (intro-nasal) and she was 11 weeks when this 2nd series was given, later when I got her home she was very sore and crying when I touched the injection site, which was on the side of her stomach! I thought it was customary to inject between the shoulder blades, so anyway now she has a large knot on her tummy the size of a grape, she is a small dog weighing only 1 pound and 14 ounces. then a day after this she starts hacking and coughing on occasion, then sneezing, and today she has fluid coming out of her nose when sneezing and she has spit up a bit of bile once or twice today. She is eating OK, drinking and playing, but sleeps more often. I am bringing her back to the vet today but I am reluctant to ever vaccinate her again. What should I do from here? Should I have her get her last series? or should I use an alternative method? If so I would not know where to go.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Hi Jan,
Thank you for posting our show with The Rabies Challenge Fund. Dr. Dodds, Dr. Schultz and Kris Christine are doing such a great, selfless thing for all of us and our dogs!
My own VERY special Golden Retriever, Fridge, was a perfectly healthy, happy boy BEFORE his first rabies vaccine. I was working as a vet assistant in a busy clinic at the time, doing what I thought was the right thing to do. My boy suffered seizures his entire life within a day or two of receiving his first rabies vaccine. He died at the age of 12 1/2 of cancer of which I attribute the vaccine and the kibble-fed diet I had him on…if only I knew then what I know now his life would’ve been so much better, healthier and longer. Of that I’m certain.
Thank you for sharing the truth here!
August 26th, 2008 at 11:14 am
This is especially for Traci and Lulu…
As for the rabies vaccine….2 weeks ago my Maltese had the shot and she has been so lithargic, as well as not eating and just a few times throwing up water. Today, again, I “happened” onto your site….and now I understand what she is going through. I am angry that our little furry children have to go through these things…when will it all change?
September 25th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
But what do we do even when we know that the rabies vaccine is so bad for our dogs. It is required by law and if your dog does not have a current vaccine and for some reason there is a rabies scare in your area your dog could be put down just because the vaccine is not current. This is a major problem. So until the rabies challenge fund is successful what do you advice doing to protect our dogs?
September 26th, 2008 at 8:20 am
I own a 1 1/2 year old Shiba Inu. I got him a rabies 3 yr booster (under the skin instead of in the muscle) on July 7, 2008.
Four days later, I noticed that the hair around his eyes was thinning. Then he started scratching at his head. Now he needs a T-shirt to prevent him from scratching his chest bloody and an Elizabethan collar to stop him from scratching his head bloody and chewing at his forelegs.
We ended up driving 60 km away to his breeders’ veterinarian after a real problem with our former vet. There is no genetic history of allergies, he’s never had a reaction like this before… we’re waiting for the results from some skin plugs that were taken for biopsy.
This is extremely stressful; it’s been 2 1/2 months that he has had to have protective gear to stop him from damaging himself.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:42 am
Despite my obsessive reading on all things Maltese, today is the first reading your information. My 4 mo. old maltese received his rabies shot and then 2 weeks later had a flea bath at the groomer without my permission. Wally then had a rough week showing signs of neurotoxicity – forgot how to go to the grass to potty, sits vacantly staring, aggressive and biting, listless, chasing tail, licking paws. After receiving homeopathy and acupuncture treatments he is improving but still not 100%. Hopefully over time he will show additional improvement
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I recently took my german shepherd to the vet because I found a lump. It ended up being a sebaceous cyst. The vet was also concerned she hadnt gained weight and is thin…she wants me to up her intake of food and if this doesn%u2019t work she thinks it may be EPI. Now, I didn%u2019t know what EPI is…(found out later after home researching the internet). She told me the cyst wouldn%u2019t matter for her vaccinations (because it should only be given to a healthy pet)….I told her I am only willing to get the rabies one because it%u2019s the law…she of course tried to talk me into all of the vaccinations…but I didn%u2019t give in. So, I got the rabies…but since we were over a year since her last one (she’s 2 yrs old) she said we have to get the 1 year again and then booster 1 year later and then can go to the 3 year rabies vaccine…My dog also got this shot last wednesday and as of saturday she keeps throwing up! And ever since she got her puppy shots she has AWFUL SEPARATION ANXIETY…
February 5th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I took my Jack russell to get his rabies shot as required by the state to get his license, he had severe pain and swelling at the injection site. I took him back to the vet and they said it was rare but should go away after a few weeks. He now does not jump as high, his legs go out from under him on occasion and he has a golf ball sized lump on his thigh. It has been a few months with no sign of improving.
February 7th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I purchased a standard poodle pup at age 5 mths. On Friday before he was shipped he received his rabies vaccination. I received him on Saturday. He ate very little, seemed stressed and afraid and made little attempt to move around. I contributed it to stress from the flight, a new environment and new people. I had to carry him outside and then carry him inside. He continued like this still eating and drinking little. On Tuesday I came home from work and he seemed lethargic. On Wednesday morning we went to the veterinarian. He found he had tonsilitis and a few baby teeth still in that caused some infection. The teeth were pulled and he was put on antibiotics.
On Thursday, he would drink a little and eat a little but could not even stand up on his own. Back to the veterinarian. He has been hospitalized since then and placed on high-powered antibiotics to bring his fever down. His white blood cell count was over 20,000. The veterinarian now believes he had a reaction from the rabies vaccination that has attacked his autoimmune system and caused what is similar to coonhound paralysis. Today he is doing a bit better, is able to eat a small bowl of food and is able to hold his head up, sit up so we are hoping he makes a full recovery. This is the first time I have ever seen this type of reaction to a vaccination and hope I never see it again.
February 7th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Wendy, your story is so distressing. I’m not a vet, but it sounds like your dog has been stressed in every way possible. He should have never been vaccinated against rabies then shipped. In fact, they shouldn’t have shipped the dog at all. It’s a terrifying, terribly stressful experience.
Then for your vet to stress the dog further with anesthesia and surgery, followed by the stress of antibiotics, then a hospital stay. I’m surprised he’s still alive.
If I were you, I’d get a second and even third opinion. I mean no offense, but your vet seems to be guessing about what’s wrong.
Neuromuscular problems are not an uncommon occurrence. You need an expert. You might call or write Dr. Jean Dodds, a rabies vaccine expert. Get her email address or phone number at http://www.hemopet.org. She’s is So. Cal. No one knows more about this than she.
There’s a vet, Dr. Kruesi, who’ll consult by phone at http://www.crvetcenter.com. He’s amazing. Look for a holistic vet near you at http://www.holisticvetlist.com. If your vet is a general vet, get a specialist. Insist. Also, make sure there is qualified help with your dog at night and on weekends at the hospital. Dogs in many hospitals are left alone or with untrained help when the clinic is closed.
I hope this helps and wish you luck.
Jan
February 11th, 2009 at 7:00 am
My 1 1/2 year old yorkie has always had reactions to any vaccine and even to the Advantage flea and tick med. She always get lethargic. With the vaccines she also gets a bit of a fever. A few days ago she had her rabies vaccine. The following day she was feverish, lethargic and very sore at the injection site. She wouldn’t eat or drink or come out of her bed. I was scared and took her to the vet. I was shocked to hear that my tiny dog gets the same dosage as a 150lb. dog! How insane! My vet has noted her reactions and said there were things we could do before the next vaccine to make her more comfortable and minimize a reaction. My baby is doing fine today, thank God, but I don’t want to put her through this again! The pathetic part of all this is that she is an indoor dog. She’s so tiny we use a pee pad in the laundry room. I can’t imagine where she’d ever get rabies from in my laundry room!
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Hi,
I am tearfully writing this story about our beloved boxer, Aarris
I have a two year old boxer, when I first got him, I had all kinds of tests run on him to make sure he was in great condition1 the vet said,” he is a perfect specimen of a boxer. there’s nothing wrong with him.
Well, three months ago, I took him in to the vets to have his yearly rabies shot, they gave him a three year rabies vaccine,
A couple of hours after the
rabies vaccine, he had a seizer! it broke my heart!
The next morning, he had another seizer, they are small seizers. its been three months now and he’s still having seizers. Last night he had another seizer and it lasted two full minutes!!!!!
Sometimes after a seizer he doesn’t know where he is, and acts like he’s not sure who we are. His personality is changing.
We’ve already lost his mate, We can’t bear to lose him too.
What can I do? I am afraid to ever have another rabies shot given to him.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I’m so sorry about your dog’s seizures. Here are two things to do:
1. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file. I’m sure every responsible vet would say he shouldn’t have another rabies shot. Get a SIGNED copy of all documentation. When it’s time for another shot, have your vet apply for an exemption. But everything must be documented, including the brand of shot and the lot #. Also, report the reaction to the manufacturer. Make copies of emails, letters, etc. Keep everything in a safe place. Find help about all this at http://www.truth4dogs.org and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots
2. You need a holistic vet as soon as possible. He/she may be able to reverse the seizures. You didn’t say where you lived. Try http://www.holisticvetlist.com. A fabulous vet who will work by phone is Dr. Kruesi. http://www.crvetcenter.com. Don’t delay. Time isn’t on your side.
3. If you can, make a donation, no matter how small, to the Rabies Challenge Fund. http://www.truth4dogs.org
I wish you and your dog the best.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I’m so sorry about your dog’s seizures. Here are two things to do:
1. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file. I’m sure every responsible vet would say he shouldn’t have another rabies shot. Get a SIGNED copy of all documentation. When it’s time for another shot, have your vet apply for an exemption. But everything must be documented, including the brand of shot and the lot #. Also, report the reaction to the manufacturer. Make copies of emails, letters, etc. Keep everything in a safe place. Find help about all this at http://www.truth4dogs.org and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots
2. You need a holistic vet as soon as possible. He/she may be able to reverse the seizures. You didn’t say where you lived. Try http://www.holisticvetlist.com. A fabulous vet who will work by phone is Dr. Kruesi. http://www.crvetcenter.com. Don’t delay. Time isn’t on your side.
3. If you can, make a donation, no matter how small, to the Rabies Challenge Fund. http://www.truth4dogs.org
I wish you and your dog the best.
Jan
March 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am
My seven year old Cavalier King Charles spaniel has had a rabies vaccination in January. By February I had noticed a small pea shaped lump on his right hind leg, near the knee joint. This lump is now one centimetre in diameter. The vet took my dog out of the room in order to adminster the vaccination so I don’t know where the injection site was. Max will be returning to the vets so that the lump can be examined. It would be useful to know if canine rabies injections are given in the hind leg-can anyone provide an answer?
April 19th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
My 4 pound Russian Toy Terrier has just been diagnosed with vasculitis, autoimmune hemolytic anemia that is now effecting the central nervous system, now with seizures secondary to the 3 year rabies vaccine. I am a medical doctor, and left feeling shocked that it took 4 vets to diagnose it with 4 trips to the vet in 9 days. She is receiving treatment with IVIG (immunoglobulin), steroids and anti-seizure medications. At this point she is fighting for her life and so I have no options but critical care medicine. How is your maltese? Do you have any words of wisdom or words of encouragement for me? Thank you.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
I replied to Henry privately, but think others might benefit from what I wrote: It’s best not to allow them to take the dog into a back room for anything unless there’s a reason to do so other than their preference. But that’s water under the bridge for this incident.
Here are the options for giving a rabies shot: subcutaneous, that is, injected just under the loose skin between the shoulder blades. Or intramuscular, that is, injected directly into the muscle (usually the big muscles of a dog’s thigh)? My expert says the hind gluteal muscle is the preferred site.
Injection site consistency should be policy at your vet’s office. They should tell you where they gave it, and you’ll probably just have to trust them. You might try asking a vet tech to describe their policy.
See my web page http://www.truth4dogs.org for information on helping your dog with this problem. You should try for an exemption when the shot is due again, and you should also see a holistic vet if possible. http://www.holisticvetlist.com
I wish you good luck,
Jan
April 30th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
My 3-yr-old Cavalier King Charles spaniel had her annual “vaccination package” (including rabies) today. The vet gave her two injections and she yelped horribly with both shots. I have never heard her make that sound ever – and she kept yelping for several minutes after the shots. She seemed fine when we got home, but as the evening has gone on, I’m worried. She won’t walk – when she tries to walk or to get up from laying down, she yelps and cries. She does the same thing if I try to pick her up. She never did this before with any shots. She’s just been sitting all evening – even with a tempting bone in front of her. It’s like any movement is hurting her. How could the shots have hurt her so bad that she even cries if I touch her stomach or legs? Is this a common reaction? Now she’s just sitting (not even moving) and crying. Thanks for any help — Jenn
May 1st, 2009 at 10:19 am
Jenn, your dog is having a bad reaction. Report it to your vet immediately. You must make sure this reaction is recorded in your dog’s file. Get a copy.
Re the pain at injection, I’m not a vet, but I can only guess the needle hit a nerve, although I suspect that’s the least of your problem.
I’d take her in ASAP. She never should have gotten a rabies shot with any other shots. What other shots were given? Was it a shot with lots of antigens, usually called a 7-in-one or 5-in-on? If so, no wonder there’s a reaction. Few adult dogs need shots anyway. Please read my other vaccine articles when you get a chance to learn more about vaccinating.
You’ll probably need a holistic vet to resolve this reaction. http://www.holisticvetlist.com. Let me know if I can help.
May 2nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I just took my 1 year old bichon-shih tzu mix to the vet today for a suspected ear infection and a rabies vaccination (1 year) since its required by law. he also got a parvo shot. he’s kind of lethargic and yelps when you touch his hind legs. is this a normal reaction? i’m a first time pet owner and i had no idea there were so many possible adverse reactions to the rabies shot and now i’m really worried. any help would be great.
May 3rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
A dog should never get another shot with his rabies shot, nor should he get a shot when he has an ear infection. He probably didn’t need a parvo shot if he’s had his puppy shots.
Tell your vet about the reaction right away and make sure the reaction is recorded in his file … and get a copy. It’s a not uncommon reaction to a rabies shot. You may be able to get an exemption when the shot is due again. If it were me, I’d ffind a vet with more up-to-date knowledge.
Also, take a look at my last two blog posts on vaccination. Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure and Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots Read the page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots
Keep an eye on your dog. If he doesn’t improve, get him to a holistic vet who can undo the damage. http://www.holisticvetlist.com
May 9th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Hi,
I took my 15 month old Lahasapoo for his rabies shot just yesterday afternoon, he threw up in the car on the way home, it was a green foamy substance, bile I’m thinking.
He was fine after that I thought that it was from taking a ride in the car and being upset with getting a check up and shots at the Vet. I was not aware until right now that no other shots should be given with the rabies shot. One would think that a Vet would know this, and as I have/had complete trust in my Vet did not think anything about that yesterday.
Buddy had his DA2PPV annual booster shot along with his 3 year Rabies vaccine. This morning when we got up, Buddy clearly is not feeling well, I called the Vet and they told me that this is a normal reaction to the Shots that he received yesterday, I am worried beyond belief because in the year and 15 months that I have Buddy he has never been without his appetite and he has never just laid around, after reading this blog and the website and seeing “Scared Poopless” I must say that I am scared poopless that there is something more wrong with my little man.
I was told by the Vet if he does not improve by Monday to call back, but I just don’t know if I can wait until then.
May 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Vomiting is not a normal reaction, but it is a common reaction. Your dog was hit with a lot in one day. Why vets give a rabies vacciine, known for adverse reactions, with other shots is beyond me.
Even after recovering, your dog will need some help to avoid long term damage. A vet who knows homeopathy or a homeopath who does animals is your best bet. Here are some links that might help: http://www.drpitcairn.com/referrals/referrals_intro.html and http://www.holisticvetlist.com
If your dog doesn’t improve right away, go back to your vet. And MAKE SURE the reaction is recorded. Then find a vet who’s more savvy about shots.
May 14th, 2009 at 8:27 am
My two and a half year old Golden Retriever, Molly, got her rabies vaccine on 2/16/09. That same day, within just a few hours, a knot appeared at the injection site. My vet said not to worry about it, as it was just a reaction to the shot. To make a long story short, we watched it for about two months, still doing nothing with the advice from my vet. Finally, I insisted that it be looked at by my vet. It was aspirated, looked at under the microscope, and mast cells were discovered. It was removed, sent off to the University of Ga. Vet school for a biopsy, and it was a stage 2 mast cell cancerous tumor. It was not present until a few hours after Molly received her rabies shot. My husband and I are convinced that it was the shot that caused this tumor. We lost another Golden three years ago to Mast Cell Tumor Cancer. If the rabies vaccine is causing this, something needs to be done.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Jane, I’m so sorry about your dog’s problem. An injection site tumor is by no means an uncommon reaction. It is so common in cats that they recommend giving the rabies vaccine in the cat’s leg. That way, they can cut off the leg if a tumor develops. Can you believe it? Your vet knows, or should know, this. I hope you’ll find a more forthcoming vet ,and wish your dog the best of luck. I also hope you’ll support the Rabies Challenge Fund which is trying to limit the number of rabies shots a dog gets. There is a donation link, and much more information on the rabies vaccine, at http://www.truth4dogs.org. I hope you’ll also post your story at the Guestbook at page’s end at http://www.squidoo.com/rabiesvaccine. I think you’ll be appalled at all the horror stories there.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
My 3 year old Pug, came down with seizures 10 days after his rabies vacinne. Turned out to be an auto immunne illness known as the fatal Pug Dog Encephalitis. He lasted 3 and a half months, every day deteriorating more and more. He could barely walk straight, he became blind, he was disoriented. He was like living with a human with advanced dementia but with recurring non stoppable seizures. Only an ER 911 visit with valium would stop the seizures.
This was the most traumatic loss I have ever experienced, worst than my parents death, worse than my divorce.
You know why? I feel responsible that I caused his illness, I will forever feel that the rabies shot was the catalyst for the onset of this illness. I lost my little boy and was devastated for over a year.
(Sorry for any spelling errors.)
May 17th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
I know you must feel terrible, but you were doing the best you could at the time. Forgive yourself and start learning more about vaccinating now and tell everyone you know. I hope you’ll go to my other rabies website http://www.squidoo.com/rabiesvaccine and post your story in the guestbook there (at the end of the page). Everytime you tell your story, you expose others to the truth. Also check out all our information at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/ And give yourself a hug.
May 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I sent you an account of my experience with a puppy that died from a vaccination. It was from “sad dad”. I hope you will look at it and post it. This kind of senseless tragedy can be avoided if people will get the word out. Thanks for all you are doing.
May 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Just a quick story about my sad experience with a local vet that apparently hasn’t heard this news. I brought my 8 week old pup to the vet the day I got her before bringing her home and he informed me that she had kennel cough. We continued to treat her for this until she was 3 and 1/2 months old. At that time I brought her in for her regularly scheduled check up. The vet and I both agreed that she was improving. I was very clear in telling him several times that she was still congested and coughing to the point of “hacking up” mucous at least 2 or 3 times a day. He said said that we would stop antibiotics and give her an antihistamine to “dry up” her cough. He also said he thought she was well enough to give the rabies vaccine. Not knowing any better, and trusting him, I let him do it. That was Friday. Saturday she seemed very tired. We woke up Sunday to find her almost non-responsive and saw that she had vomitted over night. I immediately took her to the local emergency clinic and they put her on IV fluids and antibiotics and told me she was “crashing”. I picked her up monday morning and took her back to my vet who admitted his responsibility, told me to take her to the animal hospital, and told me he would take care of the bills. I took her to the hospital where they tried valiantly to save her but she passed away that night. Tests showed that there was no parvo or any other contributing factors evident that might have caused her death. Unfortunately, the vet decided afterwards that he was not responsible and told me he was “washing his hands of it”. However, is not that easy for me. I am pursuing the matter leagally to make sure he is held responsible and that the next person does not have to go through the heartbreak and pain that I and my family experienced.
May 29th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
That is such a sad story, Scott. Thank you for sharing it here. Your dog never should have been vaccinating while still ill. Read my post http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/ It says “only for vaccinating healthy animals” on the vaccine label. Make sure you get your entire file from the vet. There’s a lot of information on http://www.dogs4dogs.com/ Click the Vaccinating (/shots) link, and the Rabies Shot (/truth4dogs) and Vet (/vet) links. You’ll find information there about filing complaints and about reporting your dog’s reaction to vaccine manufacturer. For that, you’ll need the manufacturer’s name and lot #. Do not expect a lot of satisfaction. Filing a complaint with your local veterinary medical board is probably your best bet. Lawsuits are stacked in the vet’s favor as dogs are considered “property.” Also expect the vet board to be less than thrilled that you’re filing a complaint. That said, I hope you’ll follow through. (You can check to see if this vet has other complaints.) Also, try contacting your local news stations. I know a woman who got her dog on the news and is getting the law in Massachusetts altered to include rabies exemptions — something already available in other states. Here’s the video link: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16410586/detail.html I also hope you’ll make a donation to http://www.rabieschallengefund.org All proceeds benefit research of the vaccine and trying to make the requirement for vaccination every seven, not three, years. I wish you the best of luck in all this. Please help spread the word about the dangers of all vaccination.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am
I’m happy to say that my above story about my Shiba Inu has a good ending. Our vet prescribed him Atopica (Cyclosporine) as an alternative to Prednisone and we were able to eventually wean him off the pills after a few months. He now appears to be relatively allergy free, but we’ve had him neutered because there is no way to tell whether the allergies are all from the vaccine or if they’re from an immune deficiency.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I have a 2 year old Chihuahua who had her first rabies vaccine at 12 months with no adverse side effects, however, she did have a severe reaction to the distemper vaccine which landed her in the emergency and thank god all went well. She is now due for her 2nd rabies vaccine and I am very concerned about any allergic reaction since many times it’s the 2nd one, not the 1st with the problem. Other than legal issues, is it risky NOT getting the rabies vaccine? Our state has no reports of rabies since the 70’s and bats seem to be the only carriers. Would love to know your opinion. I do go to a holistic vet and she said this 2nd vaccine would last up to 3 years and it would not be yearly. Still, I’d rather not at all after reading some serious side effects.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Joann, legal issues aside, rabies vaccine experts Schultz and Dodds believe the vaccine lasts much longer than 3 years. Probably 7 or longer. They’re working to get laws changed to reflect this. See my Rabies Information page for more details. I have vet friends who got the rabies shot in vet school who are still immune 25 years later. You can do a blood antibody titer test to make sure your dog is immune. In fact, you should do a titer test for parvo/distemper and one for rabies (the rabies being most expensisve). Your holistic vet should be willing to try for an exemption for the shot if your dog has a documented history of adverse reactions. Many localities allow this. If you do give the shot, have it done by a vet familiar with homeopathy so he/she can give the appropriate remedy with the shot.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Hi Jan,
I read your rabies vaccination article on squidoo and linked over to your site, excellent information!
My dog Pootie was a lab/chow mix who started having seizures after being vaccinated for rabies, it was the only vaccination she received, I quit giving all other vaccinations to any of my dogs years ago. Pootie died of cancer almost 2 years ago at age 10.
I currently have two 1.5 yr old border collies who’ve never had a vaccination, unfortunately I’d be in deep dog doo doo if animal control ever stops by. I know I have to legally get them rabies vaccinations and I’m dreading it. The borders became sick shortly after I got them, they were only 4 weeks old, their mother had quit feeding them (big litter) and I had fresh goat’s milk to give them. They appeared to have parvo, this was cured in less than a day by giving canned pumpkin mixed with pedialyte, about 4 teaspoons every half hour. I have friends who also took puppies from this litter, 3 others that I know also appeared to have parvo. 2 were also treated with pumpkin/pedialyte and cured in less than a day. The other went to the vet, was on an IV for several days and I’d hate to think of what the vet bill was, but she did survive – barely. That pup’s owner had just had her 9 yr old border collie die after receiving her “annual booster shots” – whatever the name of the condition is where the blood attacks itself – and that same vet also treated the dog until it died, another huge vet bill and still the owner continues to use that vet.
My daughter bought two papillon puppies from two different breeders and those poor dogs had had 3 sets of vaccinations before they were 8 weeks old. We have not given them any since and they are 2 years old now. They haven’t had rabies vaccinations either and we’re dreading having to finally do that to be legal.
Our county, by the way, is ‘rabies-free’ and has been for over a decade. The state requires a 1 year vaccination to be followed by the 3 yr vaccination. If you are late on the 2nd 3 yr vaccination you’re required to do the 1 yr vaccination again. This makes no sense to me.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Terry, I can’t believe the breeders actually gave 3 sets of shots before 8 weeks. 8 weeks is the earliest in most circumstances that shots should even start! Most puppies still have maternal immunity before that age so are actually immune to the shots. If they were my dogs, I’d ask my vet to give them a titer test for both parvovirus and distemper. (It’s just one test.) Read my article about titer testingfor more information. If the tests show immunity, many of the top experts say never to vaccinate again. Others would wait 5-7 years, which is how long duration of immunity studies show the parvo and distemper shots last. Check out this article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots to learn more.
Re rabies shots, there are a few things you can do to make vaccinating safer. Check out my suggestions at my Rabies Information page. Make sure you vaccinate when your dogs are healthy and not stressed, and don’t give any other shots or even flea meds within weeks of the shot. If possible, see a holistic vet familiar with homeopathy so that your dogs can get a remedy with the shot. This is what vaccination expert Dr. Jean Dodds does. Your daughter’s Papillons probably need to see a holistic vet in any event because they’ve already been over-vaccinated. This could lead to health problems down the line. There are also remedies to help with vaccinosis issues, although there are no guarantees. The sooner you try, the better. Find links to holistic vets on my Find a Veterinarian page.
Thanks so much for posting your question. I hope this is helpful.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I have a 15 year old Maltese who has had rabies vaccinations as required by law up until this last was due. He has such skin, ear and eye infections that are ongoing. He is treated, then a few months later, they return. I told the Vet that I would not allow my dog to have anymore rabies shots. Now I’m having a hard time finding a Groomer who will give him the regular grooming that a Maltese needs. Any suggestions? Thanks Jan.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Shirley, I have two suggestions. 1) See if your county/state permits exemptions for dogs with health problems. Many do. Some vets will help with this. Some won’t. Remember, vaccine manufacturers’ product inserts say they are for health dogs only. See if you can find a holistic vet who can help with an exemption or making vaccination safer. See my Rabies Info Page for more suggestions. Or 2) See if your groomer will permit titer testing. Testing shows actual immunity. Vaccination just shows intent to give immunity. This may buy you time while you try for an exemption. I wish you the best of luck.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Hello,
I have two unrelated 3lb Chihuahuas that have developed lumps from shots. I noticed a small lump on my female Chihuahua’s hip area after she was spayed. I called the vet office and they told me they did not remember if they had given her a shot there during the surgery. My male Chihuahua had oral surgery at the same vet and came back with a lump on his back. The vet said again they did not know what caused it. My male Chihuahua also has a HUGE knotted area on his shoulder that developed after he got a shot at another vets office that the vet said was an antibiotic. They labeled him allergic although I think the vet that gave it to him drug the needle along his muscle. This was the first shot during which my dog screamed. In the past both my dogs had been given their 9-way and rabies on the same day. My male was back then what you would consider a healthy dog.
My male Chihuahua gets extremely sore and lethargic for days after he gets his annual shots. About a month ago my dog had his 9-way shot and I refused the rabies. The vet gave him some type of anti-inflammatory shot to help with soreness. It didn’t work. This year my male has had brain damage from jumping off a couch into a table. He also has excessive fluid issues in his upper respiratory tract due to a collapsed trachea and he has an enlarged heart. He is on diuretics and is going back next month for x-rays to monitor his heart. Because of these issues and his sensitivity to shots, I am reluctant to make my little dog’s body deal with anything else. (by the way, he is only 2 years old!) He has never received a 3-year rabies shot (at least to my knowledge). He is due this month and I don’t know what to do. The vet seems to think he can have his rabies shot now but I just don’t believe that. I have been to many vets and I am not happy with any of them. Please let me know if you have any advice. I also have heard there are certain shots that small dogs should not get and that they can go for longer between shots. I am not sure if this is true. Since I practically live at the vet with my male, I want to keep him with immunity to all of the things he may pick up at the vet’s office.
Thanks,
Noel Taylor, Pensacola Florida
June 11th, 2009 at 9:15 am
This is an important post for Noel and everyone:
Noel, your story is so horrible I don’t even know where to start. To begin with, what’s in a 9-way shot? That’s inconceivable. A 7-way is terrible, and so is a 5-way. What 9 shots could any dog possibly need? And how could they have given a shot during surgery — which is bad enough — and not even have recorded it?
Regarding shots small dogs shouldn’t receive, Melissa Kennedy, DVM, PhD, DACVIM wrote in DVM360 on-line magazine: “The likelihood of adverse reactions in dogs has been found to correlate with the size of the dog and the number of inoculations given, with higher risk associated with small size and multiple inoculations.” This means: no combo shots for small dogs — or any other dogs for that matter. And NEVER GIVE ANY OTHER SHOT WITH A RABIES SHOT. Wait at least three or four weeks between the rabies shot and other shots.
Here’s a question I like better than what shots shouldn’t a small dog get? It’s: what shots should any adult dog get? When was the last time you got YOUR childhood shots? Would you let anyone give YOU 9 shots a year without knowing exactly why? Your vet clearly didn’t inform you of why you needed to give the shots, why they were necessary, what the alternatives were and what the adverse consequences might be. That’s a violation of the legal doctrine of informed consent. If it were my dog, I’d file a complaint with the vet board.
Now, down to business. Get the files on both your dogs. Dogs should NEVER have shots during surgery. NEVER. You need to report the reactions to manufacturers. Please read Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure
I believe you are getting way too many shots. And annual shots are a thing of the past. Please operate from knowledge rather than fear of disease. Please read Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots
You can test for immunity rather than getting shots Titer Test: Don’t Vaccinate Your Dog Unnecessarily Also see my page on Vaccinating Dogs: Why Your Vet Won’t Tell You Don’t worry about catching diseases from too few shots. Titer test and learn what your dog’s immunity is. Then worry about your dog getting sick from too many shots.
Ask your vet to appy for a rabies vaccine exemption for health reasons. There’s a great deal of info on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Don’t take no for an answer unless exemptions are prohibited by your area’s laws.
You need a holistic vet to help your dogs heal. It is important to keep an eye on the lump. If you can’t find a holistic vet in your area, write me for a vet who will consult by phone. I’m sorry you’ve had so many problems with your babies. I’m not a vet, but I hope my advice helps.
One more thing: please watch the two videos on Avoiding Dangerous Vets and Standing Up to Your Vet. Your vet should be there to give you current advice and to be a partner in your dog’s health. YOU are there to be your dog’s advocate. It’s rarely easy but almost always necessary. Most of us learn this the hard way because we don’t have the information we need. But the information is there. Now, please share it with your friends. I wish you the best.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I have a Registered Aussie. He is now 4 and a half yrs old. After his first Rabies shot he started have bad seizures. Grand mals, and then into cluster ones. Of course the Vet said no way that this caused it. Well I do not beieve him. The breeder I got Kodiac from has bred dogs for 40 yrs and none of her line nor the line she breeds too have had seizures. She is very careful to check out all. Well now I am sadened that my beautiful Red Merle has to live with this. He was having a seizure once or twice a week. Is there anything I can do natural or holistic to help him???? I had to give in and put him n the postassium Bromide and Phenobarbytal. I know the dangerous side affects of these 2 medicines, which I am not happy at all with. He has been on it for 2 mos. now. No seizures, but drugged and not the same boy at all. Please help if you can. Thanks Cara
June 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RABIES VACCINE AND SEIZURES: Cara, seizures are a well-known side effect of the rabies vaccine. Veterinarian Patricia Jordan, a vaccine expert who is just finishing a book on the dangers of vaccination called Mark of the Beast, wrote this when I posed the question to her about rabies vaccination and seizures: “… I know it is one of the more common post vaccine sequelae [an aftereffect of disease, condition, or injury] …….it is so acknowledged in children as to be on the Federal Register of post vaccine events. Best way to have treated is to see a classically trained homeopath and of course, no more vaccines. This should warrant a waiver….but alas the same ignorance still reigns supreme.”
So, to find a vet skilled in homeopathy, see my Find a Veterinarian page. Dr. Pitcairn-trained homeopaths will know a lot about reversing rabies vaccine vaccinosis. There are no guarantees, but if you act quickly, you’ll have the best luck. If you can’t find a holistic vet in your area, try to find a homeopath for humans who also does animals. Many of them do. If that still fails, write me and I’ll send you some names. Be sure to tell me where you live.
A holistic vet, or any vet for that matter, should be able to apply for an exemption for your next rabies shot. Most, although not all, areas allow them for dogs with chronic, severe health problems. Fight for this. It’s vital.
Regarding other shots, if your dog had his puppies shots for parvovirus and distemper, he likely has lifetime immunity — or at least immunity for 5-7 years. You can do a titer test to verify it. Shop around for good prices. They vary widely.
Dr. Jordan is a homeopath and is also trained in acupuncture and herbology. If she recommends homeopathy, that’s what I’d try first. There are “remedies” for the rabies vaccine and also for other vaccination-induced illness. Many other vets I know also recommed homeopathy for vaccinosis, though many people find it odd. My dogs and I both use various rememdies for various complaints.
I wish you the best of luck.
I hope this is helpful.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:22 am
ALLERGIC REACTION TO THE RABIES VACCINE: This question and comment were posted by Grace re my article on Vaccinating Sick Pets, but I believe they should be repeated here:
Grace wrote: My new puppy, was taken to the vet today and got her first rabies vaccination. After she came home, she was doing fine except she kept putting her eyes to the ground to itch them. I took her outside to go for a walk and noticed her staring at me. While she was staring, I realized her outer eyes were swollen. So i picked her up and took her back inside, and when i put her down, she put her eyes to the carpet and started itching them again. I decided to research on what it could be.
I find out, that rabies vaccination is extremely hazardous.
My vet has not told me ANYTHING about it… Her face is swollen, I fed her some benedryl and I’m hoping she will get better, but I am still worried about what might happen to her.
I already paid for all of her shots to be taken care of, but I’m afraid that those shots can end her life…….
I don’t know what to do and I am very scared on what might happen to her…
My Reply: Grace, your dog is having an allergic reaction to the rabies shot. This can be very dangerous. You MUST report this to your vet immediately and ask for advice. This is an all too common response to the vaccine. You MUST make sure the reaction is recorded in your dog’s file and you MUST get an initialed copy of the file. You’ll want to apply for an exemption next time the shot is due. Learn more on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Also please read our article Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots When the immediate crisis has passed, please see a veterinarian trained in homeopathy. See my Find a Veterinarian page for referral lists. If you don’t address the reaction in a timely fashion, it will likely result in a long-term problem.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
My 14 lb, 15 month old Rat Terrior got a rabies shot today. About 4 hours later his face swole severely. His eyelids were red and he had welts on top of his head. I took him to the vet and they gave him benedryl shots and other shots. Now, 10 hours later his swelling has gone away. I am still worried and very concerned about him having any kind of shots in the future. He will not be due another rabies shot for 4 years.
He is due some other shots but now I’m scared to let him have ANY kind of shots. What does he have to have?? Please advise.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
ALLERGIC REACTIONS TO OTHER SHOTS AFTER AN ALLERGIC REACTION TO THE RABIES SHOT: Cheryl, even if the crisis has past, there is more to do. first of all, you MUST make sure the reaction is recorded in your dog’s file and you MUST get an initialed copy of the file. This will help you apply for an exemption next time the shot is due. Learn more on my Rabies Vaccine Information page.
Your dog had a shot of antihistamine and probably also a corticosteroid shot. Both of these are immune suppressants. It’s so crazy: the vaccine stimulates the immune system to provoke immunity, then the other shots suppress the immune system.
Regarding potential problems with other shots, yes, your dog may well have another adverse reaction. The question is: why does your dog need other shots? Just as people get shots in childhood and then never again, so should most dogs. Please learn which shots to get, and which not to get, at Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots Also, you can and should check your dog’s immunity to parvovirus and distemper with a simple blood test. For details, read Titer Testing.
As soon as you can, please see a veterinarian trained in homeopathy. See my Find a Veterinarian page for referral lists. If you don’t address the reaction in a timely fashion, it may result in a long-term problem. In most cases, an allergic reaction to a shot is not like a bee sting that just goes away.
I hope this helps.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
SEIZURES AFTER A RABIES SHOT I got this question on another of my rabies vaccine pages and wanted to share it. They wrote:
“We adopted a 3 yr old Dachshund from the pound and the dog had seizures 12 hours after he got the rabies shot … After reviewing the situation, the Vet told us most probably he has epilepsy, which needs medication for his whole life, and that’s why the previous owner doesn’t want him….. ”
As they had just adopted the dog, they reluctantly returned him to the pound. They soon found the dog listed again as available and wanted to know what to do about going back and getting him.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
SEIZURES AFTER A RABIES SHOT Seizures are a fairly common response to the rabies vaccine. They may or may not recur. Your best best, if you want this sweet dog, is to take him to a holistic vet trained in homeopathy. Find A Veterinarian here. This vet could work with you on “clearing” the vaccine from his body. There’s a great deal of information about all this on my Rabies Vaccine Information page. Also at my Truth4Dogs blog, Click “Rabies Shot” in the Categories on the right of the page and scroll down and read comment 43.
One more thought, re the vet saying he probably has epilepsy and that’s why the previous owner didn’t want him, I think that’s unlikely. They would probably have deemed him unadoptable and would have put him down when he arrived at the shelter. Some vets just don’t want to believe that the rabies vaccine causes this problem.
June 16th, 2009 at 12:13 am
I am still stressing so much about this rabies vaccine. The more I read, the more I know it’s a bad idea especially for my little 7 lb. chihuahua. I have indicated to my dog’s vet all my concerns and thus far have set up the following and wanted to know your opinion. My holistic vet is going to give my dog a homeopathic remedy two days before the rabies vac shot in case any reactions occur. I have also scheduled my dog to stay at the vets office to be monitored several hours after the vaccine is given. We are also going to discuss if a smaller rabie vaccine dosage is an option and not sure what your feelings are on that? I was thinking of getting the titer test done but even if she shows efficient immunity, is it legal proof and can I apply for exception? Not sure how that works when you get that titer test done and what legality is attached. I truly appreciate all your insight and value your opinion.
June 16th, 2009 at 7:22 am
MAKING VACCINATING SAFER and VACCINATING SMALL DOGS Joann, I don’t blame you for being stressed, but you are wise to have a vet trained in homeopathy give the shot. The vet’s precautions are excellent. I haven’t heard of giving a homeopathic remedy two days before a shot — only on the day the shot is given. I’d love to know more about this. I hope you’ll ask your vet about this and tell me what he/she says.
I always recommend that you stay in the vet’s office after the shot. With small dogs and dogs prone to reactions, but also with any dog, reactions can happen rapidly. Sometimes just being in the vet’s office when a reaction begins can make all the difference. I think it’s a good idea to get the shot in the morning so you can monitor the dog all day. And always sleep with the dog in the room in case there’s a problem during the night. In no event should a dog be left alone after any shot.
It is illegal to give a split dose, although I suspect it is done all the time. However, holistic vet Dr. Richard Pitcairn (the father of veterinary homeopathy) once asked me: “Do you really think that giving half a billion antigens instead of a billion will really make a difference?” I didn’t have a good answer. Click here to find a vet trained by Richard Pitcairn.
A titer test for rabies is fairly expensive and unnecessary if you’re giving the shot anyway, although you could test two weeks after the shot if you needed to test immunity for some reason. A titer test is usually given to prove immunity if the shot won’t be given for a while or ever, and for international travel. It is not, as far as I’m aware, a legal substitute for vaccination anywhere — although I believe it should be. Titer testing is a good substitute if a groomer or anyone else wants a shot before it is legally due. Don’t ever allow this!
Don’t give any other shots, or any other drug (flea meds, heartworm meds, etc.) within 3 weeks of the rabies shot unless your vet says the medication must be taken. Homeopathy given with the shot for protection is an exception.
Now, try to relax. You’re doing all you can to vaccinate safely and you don’t want to stress out your dog.
Good luck.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Hi. Very concerned over a dog vaccination given 6.18.9 (two days ago). The certificate of vaccination clearly states that the vaccine was MFG by PFI (Pfizer), there is a serial number, but the concern I have is the LOT EXP: 8/28/8.
It looks like the vaccine is nearly a year over the expiration date. Should I be concerned, is this common and OK… I would appreciate ANY information and quickly if possible.
Many thanks
Earl
June 21st, 2009 at 12:36 am
Hi Jan. Just thought I would write back and let you know I have decided against the rabies vac for my little chi. Given her very serious reaction with a different vaccine, I just cannot take that chance with the rabies vac. My dog is pretty much a “housedog” and only goes in my yard with me directly behind her every move. The only animals in our state with rabies are bats and she does not go out past sun down and there is really no chance of a bat getting inside our home. She is also a timid, scared and mild mannered dog so the chances are her biting anyone also very unlikely and my vet explained how the law works with that issue. She doesn’t travel nor at any daycare or parks. She doesn’t like the big dogs at parks so we avoid them and use my huge yard as her own park where we play. Yes, I am taking a chances but it’s the chance I will to take for the health of my dog. She is my world and no law is going to force me to do something my gut is telling me not to do. My vet actually agreed with my decision which shocked me. I did want to share with you the process my homeopathic vet uses which is probably the safest option when getting a rabies vaccine. She gives a medicine two days prior and I forget the name but it’s not a medicine that would prevent the typical swelling that normally takes place but it works as a prevention of more severe reactions to her system that would cause harm her long term. If there is any reaction, there is a homeopathic remedy she gives that would clean her system out of the vaccine and she would be monitored 3-4 hours after the rabies shot. Can’t get any more precautionary than that so hopefully people on here will take your advise and go to a homeopathic vet, especially for vaccines. Thanks again Jan.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Hi. The last month has been very difficult for our family. Our beloved Yorkie mix Rufus, approximately 5 years old rescue, with a heart of gold and a wonderful nature, was going into kennels for 4 days. We took him to the vet on April 29 for his rabies booster, and a well check. He had both with no reactions except that he appeared sore at the injection site. This lasted approximately 4 days improving as each day went by. On Tuesday, May 5 he seemed fine, now jumping on and off our bed. On thursday May 7 in the evening he started to vomit and on Friday morning he had died. I cannot express our devasted we are, we took a perfectly healthy happy little dog, and gave him a death sentence. Our vet performed an autopsy and it was hemalytic aneamia. My vet told me he had reported it to the drug company, and I am waiting on a return phone call from the vet because I want to know if he has reported it to the FDA yet. Obviously the post mortem showed no other problems with my precious Rufus
June 21st, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Autoimmune hemolytic anemia (AIHA) is such a heartbreaking disease, Christine. I’m so sorry for your loss. This is a rare reaction to the rabies vaccine but not nearly rare enough. (It’s on Dr. Schultz’s list of “rare to “uncommon” reactions; that is, reactions occur more often than 1 in 10,000 but less than 1 in a 1,000.) Keep after your vet; reporting rates are estimated at about 1%. You can call the company yourself. And check to make sure the vaccine hadn’t been recalled and was not out of date. I’d be interested in knowing if the vaccine contained thimersol (mercury). Thanks so much for sharing your story.
June 21st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
OUT OF DATE VACCINE Earl, I’m happy to hear your dog hasn’t had a reaction to this out-of-date shot. That’s good. But I’d be furious at your vet for using a legally-required vaccine that far out of date. The vaccine could be useless, dangerous or contaminated.
Here’s your dilemma: is the shot safe … is it legal … and is it effective? What I’d do is to call Pfizer anonymously and ask them these questions. Re possible contamination of the shot, ask them how to proceed.
If Pfizer is worried about whether the shot “took” or not, or for your own piece of mind, I’d insist your vet pay for an antibody titer test. (For accuracy, wait at least two weeks before performing the test.) This test could cost up to $150 or so, so the vet should pay for it. His/her negligence caused it. Of course, if the vet knows about the problem, he/she will probably want to vaccinate again; another shot will only cost the vet a few dollars — but can be dangerous for your dog and end up costing you a fortune in the long run.
If your dog has ever had a rabies shot before this, a titer test will likely come back showing strong titers. Blood studies show the shot gives immunity for seven or more years. A French “challenge” study (which directly exposed dogs to the virus) showed at least five years of immunity. If the test shows weak titers, you have a bigger dilemma.
Your dog got the shot, which is what the law requires. A vet friend tells me, however, that it doesn’t meet the legal requirement because the vaccine had expired. (Note that neither of us are attorneys.)
If you live in a high risk area and you’re worried about your dog being protected from a bite from a rabid animal, that’s another situation. I’d personally hate for my dog to get another shot any time soon because it’s often the adjuvants in the shot (those extra ingredients that make the shot “stronger”) that cause adverse reactions. You’d be getting double adjuvants and that’s not good. Read some of the other comments on this blog to see how dangerous one shot can be — let alone two in a row. If you decide to get another shot, please write me again and I’ll refer you to a vet who’s an expert on the vaccine.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Re my previous post about losing our Yorkie mix Rufus with AIHA 8 days after rabies shot. I have been in contact with the drug company and they did apparently report an adverse reaction to the federal government. BUT, I have just had a vet on from the company, a phone call that was made at my request, and she tells me that the necropsy report that they PAID FOR was insufficient in that it only sent tissue samples, and therefore they cannot prove that the AIHA was due to the vaccine. So it seems like that the end of the story as far as my dog goes.
The vet tells me that every month they look at the data to see if there is a spike, and as there was no spike, my dogs reaction was not deemed to be of significance. and I meant to say, that if it is only Rufus that had a reaction in May, what happens when there is an isolated (the vet’s words) occurrence again in June (another dog dies) and again in July, are they all just pushed to one side as not being conclusive proof or as she put it an isolated incident without proof of cause. I am very angry, frustrated, and helpless over this situation.
Does anybody actually care what they are doing to these dogs with this awful vaccine? Oh I forget the vet from the company told me that they are always doing trials for these things. I think that was supposed to reassure me, although being the in medical profession, and seeing the disasters that occur with trials, and drugs that are later taken off the market, her comment did not inspire me.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
Christine, I hope you don’t give up. You should follow up on why the necropsy was done improperly.
Also, you mentioned that the vaccine maker said they are always doing trials. I think they meant they look for patterns in adverse reactions. The only safety trials done for vaccines are performed prior to the vaccine being approved — usually for just a year. This is why vaccine labels say to vaccinate annually. That’s all they test them for. Of course, these vaccines have been on the market for years and tests by immunologists show that most of them last for years, if not for a lifetime. It’s one of the dirty little secrets of the vaccine business that keeps vets bringing in the yearly income. If your vet vaccinates yearly, find another vet.
I’m so sorry for the loss of your dog, and for all the grief and aggravation that follow.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RE: EXPIRED RABIES VACCINATION:
I am happy to report that it was the computerized office form that needed to be updated, NOT the vaccine.
First, I talked to Pfizer, who were wonderful to speak with, they assigned a case number and offered to speak with the vet herself should she have any questions about the expired vaccine. Unfortunately, Pfizer has no data on using an expired vaccine on an animal; its outside the scope of any research they’ve done.
At the vet’s office, one of the front-desk personnel assured me that it could not be expired as they go through so much of it. She then talked to the vet, whose “heart dropped” when she read the exp. date of 08/28/08 but then located Rory’s office paperwork, on which the sticker from the vaccine vial had been placed. The expiration date is really later this year. They thanked me several times while I was there for bringing this to their attention.
As you can imagine, I didn’t sleep much last night. Men tend to go through all the worst-case scenarios in their heads when anything happens, so that’s where I headed. Obviously, I’m looking forward to sleeping like a log tonite.
Many, many thanks for your research and emails. I very much appreciate you “being there” and your support over the weekend when there wasn’t much of anything available for answers.
Earl Micknass
June 24th, 2009 at 10:10 am
This is a question about a reaction from a rabies shot that came from another of my rabies pages.
I took my almost 6 yr old, 2.6 lbs chihuahua to get her yearly rabies shot yesterday. she hasn’t eaten at all today and this morning when my husband picked her up she yelped real loud! I noticed she won’t put any weight on that leg, she barely got out of her bed today. I even tried to give her some of her favorite treats and she was not interested one bit, instead she growled and barked at me! She has no diarrhea and has not vomited, but her big ears look really red…should i take her to the vet? or is this normal after the rabies shot?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Marion, call your vet immediately. You should report all symptoms. Make sure your vet reports everything in your dog’s file so you can file for an exemption when the shot is due again. Go get a copy of the vet’s report and keep it in a safe place.
I’m not familiar with the red ear symptom, but it sounds like blood sent to the area. Clearly, it’s not a normal reaction.
I would also see a homeopathic vet, or a homeopath, as soon as possible to help with the effects of the vaccine. You do not want this to get worse and it may not get better on it’s own. The aggression is particularly troubling (and all too common). Read the short article by Dr. Dym for more information on rabies vaccine reactions that mimic the behavior and symptoms of dogs with rabies. (No, your dog is not infected.) I hope you’ll also go to Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Won’t Tell You to learn more about vaccinating. Your dog may react to other vaccines. This is important!
July 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am
My 11 year old, neutered male lab received a rabies vaccine yesterday. Last night I noticed his left ear has a large water-filled pocket about 2 inches long and 1 inch wide. Today it is larger and more water-filled. He is otherwise in great health. Is it possible that this is a reaction to the rabies shot?
July 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Pat, I’ve never heard of a cyst developing on an ear after rabies vaccination, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a reaction. Are you certain it wasn’t there before the shot? In any event, call your vet’s office and report it. MAKE SURE YOU DO THIS. If it develops further, you’ll want a record which might be used to get an exemption in the future. Don’t let them put you off. It’s their job as well as yours to care about your dog’s health. Insist they put it in your dog’s file and ask them to fax you a copy. Tell them to ask the vet for advice as to whether the dog needs to come in. When it comes to the rabies vaccine, always err on the side of caution. Let me know what happens.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
We have an 18 month old Pekingnese male. He went in for his annual rabies shot ten days ago. He was in for a distemper shot last month and the vet wanted to give him the distemper shot at the same time and I luckily and unknowingly did say “NO”. After his rabies shot, we left the office and drove the 10 minutes home. After we set Guiness down on the floor he immediately started having trouble walking with his hind legs. He was also very lethargic, not eatting well and sleeping alot over the next few days. I called the vet back on the third day and they asked us to bring him right in. We went back and they said that since Pekingnese have trouble with their back ends when they start aging that our dog was just starting with hind end problems early and perscribed predisone. They were adament that it did not have anything to do with the rabies shot. I totally disagree!!!
He is having problems with the front paws as well and shakes when we can get him to stand. I am terrified that he is going to die. He was a very happy, not lethargic, not over-weight wonderful playful puppy before the rabies shot. What can or should we do for him? Please help! For our sake and for guiness” sake.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Eva, the hind end problems after rabies vaccination are a well-documented adverse reaction. Either your vet is not knowledgeable or just doesn’t want to admit that he gave the shot that caused the problem. In any event, make sure you have the reaction documented in your dog’s file and get a copy of the file. This is very important. You’ll want to get an exemption to this shot in the future.
Please read my articles on Vaccinating Dogs: Eliminating Unnecessary Shots and Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets. Your dog is in no shape to be vaccinated against distemper. I presume he has been vaccinated for distemper and parvovirus at least once since he was 4 months old so he likely has lifetime immunity to distemper and you can prove it with a blood test. Read Titer Testing for details.
Find another vet. Your vet is either unknowledgeable or is lying to you. Anyway, you need a vet trained in homeopathy. This is your best bet to remedy the situation. Find referral links at my Find a Good Vet page. Do this as soon as possible. The sooner you work on this problem, the more likely your dog will get better. If you can’t find a vet near you, please write me. Go to my Dogs4Dogs contact page.
I wish you the best of luck.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
I took my 2 1/2 year old 8lb Yorkie in to be spade last Wed. They said she would also need to have a Rabies Vaccine and a DHPP Adult Vaccine before they would do the surgery. I did not know anything about small dogs and rabies or two shots in the same day. She had the shots and the surgery and I brought her home. She almost immediately became vicious , glassy – eyed, afraid of everyone and everything, etc. Also feels like she has a fever. I called the Vet office on Friday and they said that maybe some dogs become aggressive from the pain. I hoped she would get better over the weekend but has not. The clinic I took her to last week is on vacation this week. Someone said it might be a reaction to the Rabies shot, but now reading all of this I have to admit I am a little frightened for her. What can I do for her?????
July 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Hi Robin. Aggressiveness is a common reaction to the rabies vaccine, just as aggression is a symptom of rabies infection. (See Dr. Dym’s article on rabies vaccine reactions that mimick rabies infection.) Your vet either knows this and is concealing the truth from you so as to avoid accept blame, or is ignorant of the facts. Both are bad. Please see my Rabies Information page for more info. If you need confirmation about side effects, go to the nonprofit Rabies Challenge Fund. It’s principals are the top two rabies vaccination experts in the country: Dr. Ron Schultz and Dr. Jean Dodds.
Vaccinating a dog for rabies and DHPP on the same day is dangerous. Rabies shots should always be given 3-4 weeks away from other shots, worming, etc. In fact, that this vet vaccinated for DHPP at all is horrible. Small dogs (all dogs really) should never get combination shots; combos are more prone to causing adverse reactions.
Your adult dog was likely already immune to distemper and parvo and didn’t need the other shots anyway. Your vet should have given her a blood test called a titer test to test immunity instead of vaccinating.
To vaccinate at the time of surgery is also horrible and means that your dog was supposed to make an immune response to multiple diseases when she needed her immune system to recover from surgery. Please read my Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets. I believe that your dog would certainly now be considered an unhealthy pet for life. Once she has had such a big reaction, most knowledgeable vets wouldn’t vaccinate her again. Vaccine manufacturers will tell you this as well.
As to what you can do now, you need to make sure your dog’s reaction to rabies is documented in her file. Get a copy and put it in a safe place. You’ll need this to get an exemption to rabies vaccination the next time.
Then find another vet. Your vet is either unknowledgeable or is lying to you. Your vet is incompetent when it comes to vaccinating safely. Anyway, you now need a vet trained in homeopathy. Homeopathy is your best bet to remedy the aggressiveness. As far as I know, it’s the only thing that will help. Find referral links at my Find a Good Vet page. Do this as soon as possible. The sooner you work on this problem, the more likely your dog will get better. If you can’t find a vet near you, please write me. Go to my Dogs4Dogs contact page.
One more thing. Do your research and don’t let your vet wiggle out of his/her responsibility. Get your dog’s file first then tell them what you’ve learned. They should pay for your dog’s treatment, although they probably won’t. In any event, you must get treatment from another vet.
There’s a great article by a woman named Elizabeth Hart who became a vaccination activist when her own dog was killed by over-vaccination. It’s called Are Vets Making Pets Sick?
One more thing. You might consider reporting your vet to your state’s Veterinary board. Don’t just get mad or sad: Change things!
July 25th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Well…glad to have discovered this site, but am distressed to learn how extreme the reactions are: I have 2 Jack Russells, that killed a skunk and subsequently the vet requested they have rabies boosters. (their routine shots were 3 months earlier) that was 48 hours ago:
This morning one of them would not get out of bed….and when I attemped to carry him, he snapped. He is now very lethargic and shaky.
Hopefully this will pass, but will make this incident known.
July 25th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Gerri, if I understand correctly that your dog got a rabies shot three months earlier, I can’t imagine why your vet would re-vaccinate. Either the vaccine works, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, what good would a second shot do? I fear this vet doesn’t understand vaccination. I would be very angry and upset if I were you. If I misunderstand that the shot was NOT given three months earlier, find out when it was last given. This is a powerful drug and should not be given “just in case.”
Your dog is clearly experiencing a reaction to the shot. You can’t just hope this will pass. Call your vet immediately! Make sure your vet records the reaction in detail in your dog’s file and get a copy of the file. Put it in a safe place. When the rabies shot is due again, ask your vet to apply for an exemption.
Next, I would consult a homeopathic vet, or a homeopath for people who understands vaccination. Do it as soon as possible to help with the effects of the vaccine. Click here to find a referral list for homeopathic vets. You do not want this to get worse and it may well not get better on it’s own. The aggression is particularly troubling (and all too common). Read the short article by Dr. Dym for more information on rabies vaccine reactions that mimic rabies infection. I hope you’ll also go to Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Won’t Tell You to learn more about vaccinating. Your dog may react to other vaccines. This is important!
I’m quite concerned that your dogs got “routine shots.” Your adult dogs are likely have lifetime immunity for the most important illnesses: parvo and distemper. A titer test can verify this. I really hope you’ll read Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert? and Vaccinating Dogs: 10 Steps to Eliminating Unnecessary Shots. You also might want to read Titer Test: Don’t Vaccinate Your Dog Unnecessarily
Vaccination is the heart of most veterinary business. Some vets give shots they know your dog doesn’t need — for profit. Others do it out of ignorance. I hope you’ll become an expert on this. I’ve done all the hard work for you. I hate that so many dogs suffer needlessly from side effects to shots.
One more thing: if your vet gave your dog two rabies shots in three months, I’d expect him/her to pay for all treatment to remedy the situation (although he/she is likely to know exactly what to do.) I’d also report this vet to your state veterinary board. Laws have recently been changed in all states to not vaccinate more often than every three years because this shot is so prone to causing adverse reactions.
I wish you good luck. Let me know what happens.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
My dog is in pain with touch and very aggressive with the other dog in the house. She was givin a corona chot and a rabies shot at the same time and I want to know what I can do to make it better for her.
Please help, she is my baby girl and i don’t know what to do.
she is a mini Doxie about a 1 and a half years old.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Hi Andrea. Your dog is having a reaction to the rabies vaccine. Check out my rabies information page at http://www.truth4dogs.com and read about the reactions. She never should have also had a shot for coronavirus. Experts call coronavirus a vaccine looking for a disease. Google it and see. Every vet school, and every veterinary organization in North America recommend against giving a shot for coronavirus and have for years. You need a vet who knows this. Please read my article Is Your Dog’s Vet a Vaccination Expert? at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/07/23/does-your-dogs-vet-vaccinate-safely/
Call your vet and tell him/her about your dog’s reaction. Make sure everything is documented in your dog’s file. When it’s time for another shot, have your new vet (the old one has to go) apply for an exemption. But everything must be documented, including the brand of shot and the lot #. Get a copy of the dog’s file. Also, report the reaction to the manufacturer. Keep everything in a safe place. Find help all this at http://www.truth4dogs.org and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots This is important!
2. You need a holistic vet as soon as possible. He/she may be able to reverse the seizures. You didn’t say where you lived. Find a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Time is NOT on your side. Do it soon.
3. I’d fire the other vet and report that vet to your state veterinary board at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet. I can’t imagine why that vet would have given that coronavirus shot. Can you? Giving another shot, especially an unnecessary shot, made the adverse reaction to the rabies shot more likely. Go to page 7 at http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/VaccineGuidelines06Revised.pdf and read what the American Animal Hospital Association says about this virus.
Be strong. Take action. And learn more about vets and vaccination.
August 11th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
My dog, a Chuhuahua has recently had an adverse reaction to rabies vaccine.
Throwing up, slight fever, sluggish, didn’t eat hardly anything or drink for 3 days. Did report to my veterinarian.
Just last night (one week after vaccination) noticed a small raised sore on her belly that is causing her a lot of discomfort. Don’t know if it itches or what, but she has been trying to lick it a lot. Do you know if this symptom has shown up with other animals who had an adverse reaction?
Do you know what homeopathic method I could try to help her get this vaccine out of her system?
Would appreciate any advice you can give me.
Sincerely,
Rose Parmelee
August 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Rose, vomiting, fever, sluggishness and lack of appetite are typical symptoms of a rabies vaccine reaction. A single raised sore may or may not be related, but several serious skin diseases are linked to the vaccine. Go to my rabies information page http://www.truth4dogs.org and click on the two hyperlinks where it says Skin disease Ischemic Dermatopathy / Cutaneous vasculitis.
The homeopathic remedy, which is actually a nosode, is Lyssin. However, she may need another remedy to deal with the skin problem. The homeopath I use, who is not a vet but treats humans and animals and also teaches homeopathy, is Willow Tipton. She does phone consults for 45 minutes, and sends you the appropriate remedy, for $70. She treats me and my dog Jiggy and has helped us immeasurably. Her phone is 858 -793-1104. http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php I also know vets who do phone consults. Let me know how you want to proceed. You can find a list of appropriate vets at my web page http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet. See the upper right of the page.
I know you reported the reaction to your vet, but make sure you update the vet on any additional symptoms and get a copy of your dog’s file. You are going to want to try to get an exemption when the shot is due again. And beware other shots of any kind. Read my articles at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots toes learn more about how to safely avoid shots.
Act on this as soon as you can. The sooner you treat, the more likely a good outcome.,
.
August 12th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Thanks for the info. I am calling a homeopathic vet I got from your website as soon as they open. Took my dog to the vet who administered vaccine yesterday. He found a fly larvae in the sore on her stomach, and attributed all of her itching to this. Still saying throwing up, not eating could have just been a nervous dog issue. She had her worst night ever last night. Throwing up, frantic scratching—neither one of us slept. HOPE this homeopathic vet can give her (and me) some relief.
I’m contacting Pfizer (vaccine manufacturer) today to see what they say.
Do these dogs normally recover?
August 12th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Rose, I’m delighted you have a found a vet in your area. Waiting lists can be long. Be sure to press them to get in asap. If you can’t get in for a while, I’d try Willow. Continued vomiting is dehydrating, which can lead to more problems. And your dog is clearly in agony, poor thing. Did your vet give you any ointment to help with the itching?
As to the “nervous dog issue,” I find that hard to believe. Your dog is sick! It’s my experience that vets just don’t like to believe that shots cause reactions. I think they worry they’ll be blamed because they gave the shot. Don’t forget to get a copy of your dog’s file!
As to recovery, it’s hard to know. I’m not a vet. But you’re acting quickly and that’s what’s important. All you can do is the best you can do. Keep in touch.
August 13th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I am trying to get an exemtion for the rabies vaccine for my dog. My dog five days from recieving the shot came down with the following symtoms: stop eating,drinking,diarrhea and pain in hind legs. At the time my vet told me my dog had a allergic reaction to the shot but now will not provide a letter for exemption. I am being forced my animal control to get the shot again.
August 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Christine, you need a new vet. It is unethical to vaccinate a dog that has previously had a reaction to the same shot and even worse that the vet won’t even try to get an exemption. It is also against manufacturer’s instructions. (Call the manufacturer of the vaccine in question and ask if they advise your giving the shot to the dog. They won’t. Maybe you can use this for ammunition.)
Ask politely for a copy of your dog’s file and find out the brand of vaccine your dog received. After you have the file in hand, ask if the vet will treat any reaction or long-term health problem at no charge since he/she thinks it’s safe to vaccinate. My guess is that the vet will immediately refuse. That said, some areas don’t allow exemptions. Find out.
If your vet recorded the reaction in your dog’s file, you can take the copy of the file to another vet. A holistic vet is most likely to understand the danger and help.
If you have to get the shot, heaven forbid, read my comment #72 at the bottom of the page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/06/18/20/#more-20 You can find a homeopath there who can help if you can’t find a holistic vet near you.
After the shot, do not leave the vet’s office for at least an hour. Stay in the area as long as possible, and watch the dog carefully for 24 hours. Make sure your dog gets the remedy Lyssin as soon as possible.
I wish you good luck.
August 13th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Back in 2002 my little brother started having grandma seizures after getting his 4th grade vaccinations. My childern have vaccination exemption papers. I will not get vaccinations for any of my animals. One of my dogs bit someone, the police took him. I am trying to find someone to help me get him back and find exemption papers for all my animals. I hope you can help me, i only have tilll the 20th of this month after that they will put him to sleep. Thanks for your time.
August 13th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Sabra, that’s horrible.
A am not an Animal Control expert, but it is my understanding that the only reason they would put the dog to sleep, after keeping them through the quarantine period, is if the dog has rabies. Generally, they hold the dog and if it doesn’t develop symptoms, they vaccinate and release. That’s the reason for the holding period. Make sure you understand what they told you and that they explain why they would put down a healthy dog. That said, there may be some law in your area regarding destroying biting dogs, rabid or not. But if that’s the case, why not do it immediately?
Re getting exemptions, only a local vet who is willing to say that a dog has health problems precluding vaccination can apply for the exemption. Then it’s up to the Animal Control Board to allow the exemption or not. The exemption period my last from 1-3 years, and occasionally is permitted for the dog’s lifetime. You will still have to pay the license fee.
If your local area doesn’t allow exemptions, try to change their minds, even change the law. If a dog isn’t healthy, vaccine manufacturers say not to vaccinate them. Read their product insert. For one thing, the vaccine may not “take.” Read my article Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/
If you have to vaccinate your dog, have a holistic vet with experience in homeopathy do it. They will want to give the remedy Lyssin with the shot. If you can’t find a holistic vet, I can recommend a homeopath who can send you the remedy and tell you how to use it. (See comment #72 for details.)
Unfortunately, just wanting to avoid vaccination isn’t enough to get an exemption. I wish it were. You need a valid medical reason with a paper trail. The problem is that the shot is required by law to protect people from dog bites. To do that, they have to also protect the dog.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Hi Jan Rasmusen, Chiclet, and Jiggy!,
I have written to you before through YouTube (User: JustJesse197), and I had a few more questions about the Rabies Vaccine.
If a dog that has had a reaction in the past (a lump at the injection site that lasted for a few months, and possibly allergies from the shot), was vaccinated for Rabies, and was given Thuja prior to the shot, would that lessen the chance of a reaction?
I am currently looking around for a holistic vet for my Jack Russell Terrier Jesse, and have found a few, but am still doing some research. I got the veterinary record for Jesse, and on the same day he got the Rabies Vaccine, he also received a vaccine for a Killed Canine Coronavirus, and a Modified Live Virus vaccine that included: Canine Distemper-Adrenovirus Type2- Parainfluenza-Parvovirus.
At the time, I knew very little about vaccines and vaccination protocols, and religiously followed the advice of the vet without question. Since then, I have been doing a lot of research and would never give him the multiple shots, or even more than one shot at a time. Is it possible that he had a reaction to one of the other shots, because they were given in conjunction with the Rabies?
In his file, it says he is allergic to V4x. Do you have any idea what this is? Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Hi Heather. if your dog had a documented lump for a long time, and developed allergies thereafter, you may be able to find a vet who will apply for an exemption. In some cases, a strong titer test result will help, but ask the vet how that works in your area. Titer tests for rabies are expensive.
The homeopathic remedy you want is not Thuja, which is for other shots. It is Lyssin, which is technically a nosode. Yes, it will help with the side effects, but you can’t be sure it will work perfectly. Not giving the shot is better.
He is allergic to V4x? Never heard of it. I’d venture a guess that it says “vax,” which is shorthand for vaccine. A’s and 4’s loo similar. If it says the dog is allergic to vaccines, that should help you get an exemption. Have your vet verify what it says. Also note when he wrote it. Before the shot? Or after?
Your dog did get a bunch of shots he shouldn’t have, but you already know that. Yes, the combo shots alone could have done it and shouldn’t have been given with the rabies shot. You’re probably done with shots. Do titer testing instead for parvo and distemper. Read my Truth4Dogs.com article on this.
If you can’t find a good vet and want to learn more about homeopathy, take a look at post #72 after my rabies post.
I hope this helps.
August 14th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Hi Jan Rasmusen, Chiclet, and Jiggy!,
Thank you SO much for your wonderful information. I will definately find a good vet, and apply for an exemption. I will also ask my current vet what the V4x means and when she wrote it. Thank you again for replying so fast =)
August 15th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Just an update. The homeopathic vet found my dog toxic from the recent vaccines. Has given her 2 supplements for her liver and to detoxify her, and 2 supplements that stopped the frantic itching the same day of administering. She was wanting to sleep for a couple of days (which is understandable with what her little body has gone through) but I believe she’ll be fine. I will not give her vaccines again. Thanks for your help and info. on a homeopathic vet in my area. I think the medical profession for both humans and animals has lost the ability to see true healing in the body, and know only one source of medicine anymore—pharmaceuticals. Thanks again!
Rose
August 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Hi, My name is Laura and I own a Jack Russell Terrier/Chihuahua mix. Her actual age is not known but the vet says she is over a year old. She recently received her rabies shot (June 09). My daughter had her out for a walk and her rabies tag (along with other tags) came up missing. Am I going to have to re-vaccinate her for a new tag and is that safe? Thanks for your help.
August 16th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hi Laura. I’m relatively sure you won’t have to revaccinate after losing your dog’s tags. And no, it is not safe. It would be asking for an adverse reaction. Don’t do it!
Contact your vet and tell her/him what happened. They should be able to apply for another tag. They should have a copy of the paperwork in their files, and should have sent you a copy, too.
You can also contact Animal Control in your area. They’ll have paperwork showing your dog was vaccinated and that you received your tags. They may charge you something, but anything is better than getting another shot this soon.
Hope this helps.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
On 07/02/09 my 4 year-old toy poodle Tyson was given his rabies vaccination. Pretty much as soon as we got home, he was lethargic. He did not want to eat, play or interact with anyone. The site of the injection was also so painful for him, we could not pick him up without him crying in pain. He had a hard time sitting down and laying on the side. I called the vet. They said that side affects weren’t very common, but if he got worse to bring him in. He did get better, and eventually returned to his old self, but it took about three weeks.
Now we have a new problem. The site of the injection has turned dark, and the hair is falling out. It looks awful, I thought at first he had skin cancer or had gotten burned, but after looking up other poodle reactions to rabies shot, I now know what it is. Thankfully it does not hurt him, poor thing, I thought he get dirty, and tried scrubbing it clean! Will this be permanent? I certainly hope not, if so, I will let everyone know what happened, and why I will NOT allow him to be given the rabies injection again, even though I will not be able to licence him in California. How can I do that to him again, put him through that? I am just sorry I let it happen this time.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Hi Lisa. Three things you must do: 1) report everything to your vet and make sure every reaction is recorded in your dog’s file. 2) Get a copy of the file. You will need it to apply for an exemption. Put it in a safe place. This is the only legal way you can not vaccinate. Make sure you do this! 3) Finally, go to comment #72 at the bottom of the page at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2008/06/18/20/#more-20 Your dog needs a homeopathic remedy called Lyssin. Do this as soon as possible.
One more thing: tell your friends!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
My 10 year old doxie, Toby, has Cushing’s disease, (hyperadrenocorticism) and has been on Trilostane for almost 2 years. His symptoms have diminshed and he had been pretty normal. 3 months ago he was diagnosed as hypothyroid and is now taking levothyroxine as well. About a month ago we noticed his behavior changing….restlessness, lethargy but aggressiveness toward our other 10 year old doxie. Since it was time to check his thyroid, we felt he should have another ACTH stim test to check his cortisol level as well. When we got to the vet’s office they told us it was time for his rabies vaccine. I specifically ask if it was ok to give him the rabies shot AND do the ACTH stim test the same day and was told it was fine. No one said anything about NOT giving the vaccine to a “compromised” dog. It’s been a week and he is obviously in some kind of pain. Walks very slow, won’t jump up or off the sofa and yelps once in awhile. After reading everything on these pages, I’m sure he is having a reaction to the rabies vaccine. I’m SO upset with my vet.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Judy, I, too, am upset with your vet. That vet is ignorant, unthinking and maybe greedy to boot. No vet who understands immunology would ever vaccinate a dog who has Cushings and hypothyroidism absent a rabies epidemic and unless your dog runs wild. I’m not a vet, but anyone with a passing acquaintance with the possible adverse effects of the rabies vaccine would know this.
It’s likely that shots caused the health problems to begin with. Did your vet tell you that? I hope you’ll read Dr. Dodd’s article about adverse reactions. She’s the top expert in thyroid disorders and vaccinosis. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/08/06/treating-adverse-vaccine-reactions-by-jean-dodds-dvm/ Google “Jean Dodds and thyroid” and you’ll find other articles. For more on adverse reactions, see my rabies information page at http://www.truth4dogs.org
Not only is it extremely dangerous to vaccinate such an ill dog, it’s unlikely your dog can even mount an immune response, so you may think the dog is protected but who knows if he is? Thus, your vet may have endangered public health. Did you read my article on Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets? http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/ Even vaccine manufacturers say to vaccinate only HEALTHY pets. Your vet should have known better. Call the vaccine manufacturer and ask them if they recommend vaccinating dogs in your condition.
If you haven’t already reported your dog’s reaction to your vet, do so immediately. NOW. You need documentation so you can apply for an exemption next time the shot is due and in case you take action against the vet. Write up the reactions in detail and fax them to your vet. Tell them you want a copy of the file. Be very nice. Then find another vet.
You need a holistic vet to treat the damage from the shot. Find one at my Find a Vet page: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet A “regular” vet won’t know how to proceed. You need someone who understands homeopathy. A brilliant vet who consults by phone and works with difficult cases in Dr. Kruesi. http://www.crvetcenter.com He treats my dog Jiggy’s autoimmune disease. He’ll work with you or another vet.
Once the crisis has past — and this is a crisis that needs medical intervention ASAP — report your vet to your veterinary board. He had a legal duty to warn you that vaccinating your dog could provoke an adverse reaction and even make the Cushings and hypothyroidism worse. If he had fully explained the situation, I’m sure you wouldn’t have done it. This is a violation of the doctrine of informed consent. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vaccination-informed-consent If you don’t report this dangerous vet, he’ll continue harming animals. We have to stop this disregard for our pet’s lives. I’d also send the vet a bill for any subsequent treatment and go to small claims court if necessary.
Being upset isn’t enough. Your dog and the other dogs at this clinic are counting on you.
One last thing: it is possible that your state doesn’t allow exemptions for the rabies vaccine for dogs in poor health, but even in that case, your vet should have tried to get an exemption or should at least explained the situation to you. You deserved full information before proceeding.
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 am
HI, Maybe you can help me – I’m confused. I had my Portuguese Water Dog vaccinated for Rabies at 6 months and he was given a 1 year shot – After finding out that the 1year and 3year shot were essentially the same thing I had a holistic vet write a letter essentially saying the dog was protected. He is due for a booster so I had a Rabies titer done. The results came back LOW 1: 25… With a nice disclaimer saying protective numbers haven’t been established in dogs… So my question. Is that true? Should I get him a booster shot? We are in Colorado and he is with me 98% of the time.. We go to off-leash parks where there are coyotes, foxes, etc. and go hiking in the mountains sometimes. Any advice?
Thanks in advance,
Susan & Bodhi
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Hi Susan, I sent your question about interpreting the rabies vaccine titer test to one of America’s top experts on the rabies vaccine, Dr. Jean Dodds. In addition to volunteering her services, along with Dr. Ron Schultz, to prove that the rabies vaccine actually lasts seven years or longer (see the Rabies Challenge Fund), she does titer testing at http://www.hemopet.com. Dr. Dodds wrote:
Dear Jan: I wish we had received the sample, because our report would have clarified that 1:25 — if done by RFFIT method at KSU — is NOT low. Any titer of 1:5 or higher by this method is considered adequate by the CDC to protect a human against rabies and is extrapolated from there to animals. IF it was measured by FAVN [NOT the titer method for USA — it only applies to export — rabies-free counties including Hawaii require 0.50 IU/mL — a 1:25 titer is 0.25 IU/mL.
So, your sample was strong. (Learn more about titer testing at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/)
That said, you’re probably going to be required by law to get the second shot. I’m surprised the vet didn’t tell you that before you paid for the titer test — unless you’re applying for a health exemption. You usually have to get a shot at 4-6 months and another a year later. Check the law in your area.
Many states, including Colorado, allow exemptions for ill health. AnimalLaw says: “A veterinarian, with the written consent of an animal’s owner, may issue a written waiver pursuant to the rules of the health department, exempting an animal from a rabies vaccination order if the veterinarian, in his or her professional opinion, determines that the rabies inoculation is contraindicated due to the animal’s medical condition.” http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuscost25_4_601_615.htm
To learn about the rabies law in any given state, go to http://www.animallaw.info/ To find local requirements for shots, contact Animal Control in your area. In general, the law is every three years in all states, but some local areas require more frequent vaccination. Why? It’s all about money. The three-year vaccine is guaranteed by manufacturers for three years. As you’ve learned, the one-year rabies vaccine is the same as the three-year (it’s just relabeled) but legally doesn’t give protection for more than a year. Makes a lot of sense, huh?
September 8th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I had my am. bulldog vaccinated when he was 6~8 months. he developed a sore on his back at the injection site. it was the diameter of a nickle and raised about 3/4″ off his back. it lasted for 2 months before it fell off. My question is around the safety of that to humans. My mother is allergic to eggs, and therefore can not have any vaccination shots or the rabies shot for humans. she was told by an old doctor of hers not to go near anyone/thing that had a scab from a reaction. is this enough to get my dog out of having his 3year? the vet is pestering me that it is due, and i have to take him in for another allergic reaction that caused a rash. i’m afraid to have the bulldog have another reaction and have that cause harm to my mother
September 8th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Hi Michelle. That’s a question I haven’t heard before. I doubt that your mother’s reaction to a scab that may not even form would be justification for an exemption. But your dog’s previous reaction might be. (Also, I don’t think there’s egg in every shot. Check with the manufacturer.)
If you can document that your dog developed the scab and sore after a previous rabies shot, a vet may write an exemption letter for you. Clearly that’s not a normal response. Some vaccination site lumps develop into tumors, so they’re nothing to ignore. If your vet won’t help, another might. See the referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet
If you have to get the shot, wait until your dog is healthy. You shouldn’t vaccinate a dog having an allergic response. See my article on vaccinating unhealthy dogs. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/ You need a healthy immune system, not one over-reacting, to get immunity from a shot.
I hope this helps some.
September 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Hi Jan,
My toy poodle, Ginger, has had two episodes of Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis (HGE) within 10-14 days post 3-yr. rabies shots both times that she has had the vaccine during her lifetime (she is 10). She is due again this month. I spoke with my vet about the issue and my concerns. He advised Benadryl prior to the vaccine. (By the way, he is NOT the vet who originally gave her the vaccines and is not familiar w/my dog since he and another vet bought the practice upon my former vet’s retirement.) I was unaware until finding this site that there are common issues with the vaccine, and I also was not aware that the same dosage is given to a 7# poodle that is also given to a 120# Great Dane! I am unwilling to subject my dog to the near death experience of the HGE again. Would you suggest the titer testing instead, in this case?
Thank you for an informative website and your advice in advance.
September 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Hi Melva. If your dog has had a previous reaction to the rabies shot, you need to do two things: 1) See if your state allows exemptions from rabies vaccination for dogs with health problems. Most do. You may find the law here: http://www.animallaw.info/ Otherwise, ask your vet or call your local Animal Control board.
If your area allows exemptions, then 2), get your dog’s records showing the reactions and the health problem. The vet who bought the practice should have these records in storage. Once you have documentation of a past reaction, and/or a current health problem, ask your vet to apply to Animal Control for an exemption. If he won’t, ask him if he’ll treat your dog for free for any reaction to the shot and will guarantee success. (He won’t.) In that case, dump him and tell him why. (See below.) Go to http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet and find a holistic vet in the referral list.
It is unethical, and against manufacturer’s instructions, to vaccinate an unhealthy dog or a dog who has reacted badly to a vaccine in the past. Giving a shot of Benadryl will only help with a mild allergic reaction. It is, in my opinion, lazy medicine and shows your vet does not understand immunology. He’s suggesting suppressing the immune system — but a shot doesn’t give immunity if the immune system malfunctions. Please read this article: Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets: Beware Reactions & Vaccine Failure. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/
You might contact a few rabies vaccine manufacturers, especially the one that makes your vet’s brand, and ask them what they think about vaccinating your dog. (Google “canine rabies vaccine” to find companies.) If possible, ask your question by email, in as much detail as possible, so you can get a written response. Also, ask them to send you the vaccine’s “package insert” which explains warnings about the shot. You might also be able to find it on-line or can get it from your vet.
You probably needn’t get a titer test. It won’t be accepted by Animal Control in lieu of a shot.
If your area doesn’t allow health exemptions, change the law. Go to the media. Show Animal Control your documentation and tell them about other states’s laws. Massachusetts is changing their law right now.
Do everything you can to avoid the shot. If you run out of options, find a vet skilled in homeopathy to give the shot. In fact, I’d keep talking to vets until you find one who will help you.
September 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
My husband and I have always had Yellow Labrador Retrievers. We make sure we get our boys from an excellent breeder. We got Yogi in 2000 and his brother Kai in 2001. Both were in excellent health and we our very careful about what they eat and are very careful when it comes to the vaccines. We moved to the wood and decided Yogi hadn’t had a rabies shot in three years and that we should get him one with the wildlife here. Our boys were never unattended. If they were outside so were we. We got Yogi a rabies shot on Thrusday Aug.6th and on Monday the 10th he was still fine. He went outside happy as could be ate dinner and had a treat, then fell over dead. It was like a cardiac arrest. He was only eight years old and healthy. I’m not sure if the rabies shot had any thing to do with his death or not. But I don’t think Kai will get one.
September 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Hi Nancy. What a horrible, sad, sad, sad story.
I wish I could say that death was a rare side effect of the rabies vaccine, but it is not. Here are the statistics from Dr. Jean Dodd’s article on vaccination side effects posted on the Truth4Dogs.com blog: The following clinical terms were listed “to describe possibly related adverse events in dogs vaccinated against rabies “ and reported to the USDA/CVB between April 1, 2004-March 31, 2007. For 217 adverse event reports – the clinical term is followed by the % of dogs affected: Vomiting-28.1%; facial swelling-26.3%; injection site swelling or lump-19.4%; lethargy-12%; urticaria-10.1%; circulatory shock-8.3%; injection site pain-7.4%; pruritus-7.4%; injection site alopecia or hair loss-6.9%; death-5.5%; lack of consciousness-5.5; diarrhea-4.6%; hypersensitivity (not specified)-4.6%; fever-4.1%;, anaphylaxis-2.8%; ataxia-2.8%; lameness-2.8%; general signs of pain-2.3%; hyperactivity-2.3%; injection site scab or crust-2.3%;, muscle tremor-2.3%; tachycardia-2.3%; and thrombocytopenia-2.3%.
I know that’s no comfort. There is one thing you should know to protect your other dog. If a dog has an adverse reaction to vaccination, a close relative may also have a reaction. Be very careful with Kai.
September 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
My Akita was given two-3 yr rabies vaccines (accidentally) in the same year and immediately began having seizures after the second shot. I had her titered three years later and was told she had ove 700 times more antibodies than she needed! Now, two years later I have just had her tested again ( by a different vet) and the results were 1:245 . Her previous test was 1:700 My questions is: is there some place that I can find a more complete explantion of these results and what they mean?
September 24th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Hi Barbara. 1) The top expert on rabies titer testing (she does tests, is a rabies vaccine expert and is co-founder of the Rabies Challenge Fund) is Dr. Jean Dodds. You can reach her at http://www.hemopet.com. If you contact her, please let me know what she says.
2) I’m curious about why you’re testing titers. Is your dog at danger of contracting rabies? Are you using it to get an exemption from the rabies shot in the future (which you definitely should be doing, but a titer test may not help)? Giving your dog another rabies shot, or any shot for that matter, could be extremely dangerous. Please read my article on Vaccinating Unhealthy Pets at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/29/vaccinating-sick-dogs-cats/
3) You should see a vet skilled in homeopathy to help clear the rabies vaccinosis. Check out the referral list at my Find a Vet page: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet If you can’t find someone near you, let me know and I’ll give you the name of my homeopath who consults by phone.
Jan
September 25th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
In August I took my 3 year old Miniature Dachshund in for her rabies shot. After she was throwing up and had diarrhea. I called the vet and they said it was normal. He was eating ok, and playing, however she was still throwing up now and then. Yesterday, about 5 weeks later I notice she was looking depressed and not being herself so I took her back to the vet. The said she has IMHA and might not make it through the week. I wanted to know if the 2 are connected. She has never been sick before, and now we might lose her. I just need answers.
September 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Toni, I’m so sorry for you and your dog. Yes, IMHA may well be a reaction to the rabies shot. Read the article on Treating Adverse Reactions by renowned expert Dr. Jean Dodds. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/08/06/treating-adverse-vaccine-reactions-by-jean-dodds-dvm/ Do a web search on IMHA and also AIHA — they’re the same thing. There’s a short article called Known causes of immune mediated hemolytic anemia (IMHA) at http://www.vetinfo.com/dimha.html that you might read.
I’m writing an article which I’ll post on Tuesday about how multiple vaccines at once increase the risk of a reaction to vaccines. The dogs affected most are Dachshunds. I don’t know if your dog got any other shot other than rabies.
I wish I could help more. Take care.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:14 am
I know of two Hungarian breeders , now living in Wales in the UK well puppy farmers who import and use rabies vaccine and all other canine vaccine on their dogs, these two are unqualified to treat animals and havent got a clue about dog health. They are also using antibiotics, and loads of other veterinary medicines .
they breed continually their dogs who are pee stained its a disgrace.
They also use electric shock collars on dogs and wire muzzles….
October 4th, 2009 at 6:55 am
In this area there has been an outbreak of rabies, mt. lions, skunks, a horse a cow. They are pushing everyone to vaccinate all animals, I have a very old Yorkie (15 years) and a very small Yorkie (2 lbs.) can a half dose be given to the smaller? I have opted to not vaccinate the old girl, she is blind and most likely in liver & kidney failure but is still eating, drinking and going out to go to the bathroom so…………
October 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Virginia, it’s not legal to give half a dose of the rabies vaccine. You can give a small dose of the other vaccines. I’ll be writing about that this week. You might subscribe to my blog if you haven’t already. http://feeds.feedburner.com/Truth4dogs
Here’s the big question: Why would you vaccinate? The risk of a vaccine reaction is huge, whereas the risk of your dog getting rabies is probably nil. If either dog were bitten by a rabid animal, they would likely be killed on the spot. Of course, this is a determination you have to make.
Has either dog been vaccinated in the past three years? If so, they’re protected and “legal” in most places. If not, you can test titers and determine immunity. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/
Have you read my new article about the special risks of vaccinating small dogs? Please do. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/ I’d be very afraid for both your aging dog and the tiny one.
If you have to vaccinate by law, make sure you have it done by a holistic vet trained in homeopathy. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet There’s a homeopathic remedy you can give with the shot. It’s no guarantee, but would help.
October 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Last week I took my two 6 month old poodle puppies for their rabies shot. What a horrible mistake. About a half an hour after the shot, they became horribly nauseated and started throwing up. They could not stop throwing up. I rushed them to the vets and they gave the Benedryl/Prednisolone treatment. I took them home and they were sick all day. They were limp and dazed. That evening, when I saw the papers that I had put down for them in the bathroom, I saw blood in the urine. My vet thinks they may have become severely dehydrated from the shots. A week later and my two girls are still ill from the shot. Never again. The next shot could kill them. I also own the brother and am concerned because he has not had the rabies shot yet. What do I do about his shot? My vet said he could not be exempted because he had not had any reaction because he has not had the shot yet. Boy, what a mess.
Maryann
October 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Hi Maryann. If your dogs were dehydrated, it was probably from throwing up. Your dogs need some homeopathic therapy to avoid long-term damage from the shot– which is significant if they go untreated. Anything you spend on treatment now could save you a fortune in the long run.
The best thing to do is to go to a homeopathy-trained vet. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet You need to “clear” the vaccine from your dogs. This vet will also be more likely to understand the family relationship and the danger to your other dog. He/she may get you a medical exemption for the other dog, and or lessen the damage if you have to vaccinate. If you can’t do that, the easiest, cheapest thing to do is to contact Marina at naturalrearing.com. She sells the remedy Lyssin and can tell you how to use it. This is important. Don’t just hope your dogs get better and that your other dog will be fine.
Nationally-respected pet vaccine expert Dr. Jean Dodds has written an article here at Truth4Dogs.com. Treating Adverse Reactions She has written: “Certain breeds or families of dogs appear to be more susceptible to adverse vaccine reactions, particularly post-vaccinal seizures, high fevers, and painful episodes of hypertrophic osteodystrophy (HOD). Therefore, we have the responsibility to advise companion animal breeders and caregivers of the potential for genetically susceptible littermates and relatives to be at increased risk for similar adverse vaccine reactions. In popular (or rare) inbred and linebred animals, the breed in general can be at increased risk as illustrated in the examples below.” She has also written: “Littermates of affected puppies should be closely monitored after receiving additional vaccines in a puppy series, as they too are at higher risk.” You might print out the article for the vet, although a holistic vet will be very familiar with Jean’s work.
Your 6 month old pups should be finished with shots, likely for life. Make sure your dogs’ reactions are well-documented, in every detail, in their files. Make sure the vet notes that the health problems were caused by the rabies shot. Get a copy of the files a put it in a safe place. In three years, you’ll need to apply for a medical exemption to vaccination. Learn more about the rabies vaccine at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs Since you don’t know which ingredient in the shot your dogs were allergic to, you don’t know if ANY shot will be safe. Two weeks or more after they’ve had vaccinations, you need to have their antibody titers tested to make sure the have immunity from parvo and distemper. If they are immune, no more shots. If not, you’ll have some decisions to make. You give this test only once; your vet can do it or can draw blood which you can send to Dr. Dodds for testing. Her prices are really good. http://www.hemopet.org/files/Test%20Request%20Form%202009%2009%2001%20newaddress.pdf There are instructions at the end of the page at http://www.hemopet.org/services.html
Here are some articles I hope you’ll read, all at Truth4Dogs.com: Protecting Dogs From Vaccine Reactions, Vaccinating Small Dogs, and Titer Testing.
I hope this is helpful and wish you the best of luck.
October 15th, 2009 at 6:27 am
My question: Could this be a drug interaction…and if so, is there anything more that I can do at this point in time now?It is now five days since my dog had her rabies shot.
Unfortuantely we were never told that it is inadvisable to give heartworm or frontline around the time that our dog was given a rabies vaccination. On Thursday our Cavalier received heartworm medication. On Saturday she was given a rabies shot. On Tuesday my husband applied Frontline flea medication. At noontime our dog vomited. I found her lying on her side on the floor, unresponsive when I called her. Her eyes were open and not blinking. I paniced realizing that she could be dying, threw her into the car to get to the vet. By the time we got there she was sitting up and looked rather normal. And given the fact that the vet’s office was most unhelpful given the circumastances ( a long story…needless to say I am looking for another vet) I took her home. For two days she was very lethargic. She is now reasonably back to normal. However, i am still concerned.
I am thinking that this was a drug interaction. Should she have received an IV to clean out her system? Is there anything else I should do at this point.
Thanks for advise.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Robin, I’m very sorry you didn’t go into see the vet. You need a record of your dog’s reaction so you can apply for an exemption when the shot is due again. It’s still not too late to report it. Do so in detail. Send them a letter if you like and make sure it is posted in your dog’s file. Then get a copy of the comment in the file. Make sure they note a reaction to any of the three chemicals. I would also contact all the drug manufacturers involved. I will publish an article on reporting reactions soon. (See sure to subscribe to Truth4Dogs.com blog.)
Your dog got an awful lot of chemicals at once, but any one of them (or any combination) could have caused the reaction.
I don’t know where you live, but it’s unlikely your dog even needs heartworm meds in the fall/winter season. Heartworms can’t develop and infect a dog when temperatures remain below 57 degrees at any time of day. Please read this article: http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/05/13/heartworm-medication-safety/ Read about possible reactions to heartworm meds, and alternatives for prevention, at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/06/16/heartworm-preventative-options/#more-396
Another article I’d like you to read regards special vaccinations risks for small and medium size dogs. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/
Re finding another vet: yes! Find referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Also, I think you need to see a homeopath. Find a list of homeopathy trained vets on that page or at least see a homeopath to have the vaccine “cleared” from your dog’s system. I can send you information on two sources if you’re interested. It’s not very expensive and can save you a fortune in possible vet bills in the future.
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:47 am
I had to take two of my miniature dachshunds in for their 3 year Rabies booster. I drug my feet for several months because Greyson (6 year old lh male – weight 10.8 lbs) had a swollen face reaction at the time of his last vaccination in 2006. In July of 2006, I had to rush him back to the vet that administered it and they were able to give him an antihistamine injection and send us home with two different kinds of meds. I have a new vet now and asked her to review his record and write me an exemption for him. I was really afraid of what would happen.
She said she hadn’t seen the reaction and I had to go through my prior vet. The guy had a horrible bedside manner and was very condescending and that’s why I don’t go to him any more. So… I gave my boy benedryl and notified the vet staff when we got there yesterday that I expected him to react. They gave him an antihistamine injection and the rabies shot and asked us to wait for 30 minutes in the waiting room. 20 minutes after the shot, he started to urinate and try to crawl into my lap. I realized he was going into anaphylactic shock and I scooped him up, just as he lost consciousness. I ran over to the counter and they rushed him into the back. They were able to revive him and give him steroids, iv, oxygen – etc. An hour later – they let us go home. He vomited 3 times in the car ride and twice more after we got home.
The second dog – Rowdie (4 year old wh female – weight 7.6 lbs) – has a history of allergic reactions to fleas and bug bites and has gone into anaphylactic shock before (over a bug bite). I also gave her benedryl and they gave her the antihistamine shot. She puked while we were waiting for Greyson to recover, but the hell from her reaction was just slowly building and just beginning. They examined her once more before we left and sent us home.
Once I got them home (20 miles away) I noticed her shaking her head every 40 – 60 seconds and she kept fidgeting. Like she wanted to crawl out of her skin. I called the vet and they asked me to give her .25 mg of a prednisone that I had leftover, in addition to the benedryl she had had 15 minutes prior.
by 3:30 pm she was practically sprinting from one dog bed to the other, whining in agony, scratching and biting like she had fleas. I scooped her up, looked at her belly and inside her ears – They were covered in hives! I put both dogs back in the car and drove back to the vet. They kept her an hour and even though the hives were going down, she vomited twice. They gave her an IV with more steroid, kept her another hour, and then sent us home around 6:30 pm. They asked me to give both dogs benedryl every 6 – 8 hours.
Last night Greyson just slept and was just very tired. Rowdie was anxious, itchy, restless – all night. She would get up every so often to vomit – 5 times by 2:00 am. By 3:45 am, I was able to get her to hold down her benedryl and held her in my arms. We both finally got some sleep.
Today, they are both drugged and exhausted – but resting.
I’m terrified for the future. I don’t know what to do to keep this nightmare from happening again in three years – besides breaking the law (which I’m commited to doing at this point.) I feel like I should be able to call this to someones attention. This needs to stop happening! The vet? The county? The manufacturer of the drug? Do you have any course of action I could take?
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 am
I just acquired a rescue dog, her paper work showed 2 rabies vaccinations 9-25-09 another cert. 10-6-09 They were at different vets and in different states.
My problem is when I took her in for a check up, I was also very concerned about the double dose. My vet was also concerned about any side effects, she called the drug mfg, they told her the second injection nilled them both, and would need another rabies injection.
I told her no way………
My vet is going to research this and get back to me. I will not let my dog be some medical experiment.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 am
Joel, two rabies shots so close together is dangerous.
I wonder who your vet talked to at the drug company. Call the mfg yourself and ask to speak to one of their vets or researchers. Call both Merial and Fort Dodge.
If you don’t get your answer there, know that THE expert in the field is Dr. Jean Hofve. Contact her, or have your vet do it, at http://www.hemopet.org. Nothing short of being held at gun point would make me give MY dog a third shot.
If you need proof that immunity “took,” your vet can run a titer test to test to see if your dog’s blood shows antibodies to rabies. I’m surprised she didn’t suggest it. (Not a good sign.) If the test shows immunity, your dog is protected. You should already have a certificate from one of the shots. Have your vet draw the blood and send it to Hemopet. Their prices are great, and as I said, Dr. Dodds is the top expert.
Good for you for advocating for your dog. Please, let me know what you learn so I can pass the information along. Please also check my article on Eliminating Unnecessary Shots if your vet wants to vaccinate for anything else.
November 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 am
Lee Anne, first, make sure your dogs’ reactions were noted in great detail in their files. Get copies of the report. Have your vet sign them. Put them in a very safe place. Don’t let another vet put your dog at risk because they didn’t personally see the reaction.
Next, ask your vet if your state/locality give exemptions for at-risk dogs like yours. If not, start now getting a law passed. People are doing this in many states. Drug manufacturers themselves say not to vaccinate animals that have previously have bad reactions. This is doubly important for rabies. The shot is unlikely to “take” so the public and you will have false confidence that the dog is “safe” from rabies.
If your area allows exemption for health reasons, ask your vet to write a letter requesting exemption now. You won’t file it until later, but you may change vets and have a problem later.
As soon as possible, you need to help your dog deal with the effects of the vaccine. I would suggest you see a homeopathy trained vet. Or at least a homeopath who deals with animals. The homeopath I use, who is not a vet but treats humans and animals and also teaches homeopathy, is Willow Tipton. She does phone consults for 45 minutes, and sends you the appropriate remedy, for $70. Her phone is 858 -793-1104. http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php I also know vets who do phone consults. You can find a list of appropriate vets skilled in homeopathy at my web page http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet. Another option is Marina at naturalrearing.com.
I personally would be very wary of a vet who thought merely giving Benadryl to a dog with a reaction history was sufficient. Why didn’t she request your dogs’ files from the other vet? Their health histories should have been documented there. Your vet should have advocated for your dog, tried for exemption or at least sent you to a holistic vet who could deal better with the reaction. Of course, that vet probably doesn’t believe in homeopathy. If it were my dogs, I’d find a more informed vet.
I hope you’ll give what you can to the Rabies Challenge Fund. They’re trying to prove that the rabies vaccine gives immunity for seven years. They are completely funded by people like us.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Joel, I put your question to a vet friend who’s well versed in immunology. He responded:
I have never heard of such an ignorant comment which makes no sense immunologically, and I would have that client ask her/his vet for documentation of what they are talking about which I don’t think that vet will be able to provide.
The only issue regarding giving vaccinations too close together would be interference of existing PROTECTIVE antibody from allowing the second vaccination to have any effect. Thus the second shot given so close to the other would have no effect and would be antidoted by pre existing protective antibody thus arguing AGAINST more vaccination!!!!
I told him I had suggested a titer test and he added: Make sure the titer is done at least 3 weeks after the last vaccination to allow times for titers to rise. I would probably wait 4-6 weeks.
November 8th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I recently had my 3lb. 6 oz, 4 month old puppy (Pomeranian mix) get her final shots, including the rabies shot. The vet advised me she would be tired. But during the course of the hours following her vaccination she was completely knocked out! Now she has lost the use of one of her front legs and can’t walk – this started as a slight limp and gradually became complete non use of that leg When I touch it it seems that she has no feeling in that leg. It is completely limp. I will be contacting my vet when his office opens again on Monday as this was done on Saturday. I am horrified as I was never even told there was any risk in a rabies shot for a small dog. Wht can I do?
November 8th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Ellen, if it were my pup, I’d go to an emergency vet right away. Your dog seems to be getting worse. I’m afraid the vet will give your dog a cortisone shot, for lack of knowing what else to do. As soon as possible, you need to get to a homeopathic vet or a skilled homeopath for people who regularly treats animals. Your dog needs Lyssin, a remedy for rabies. This is very important.
If you can’t find one near you, for $70 you can do a phone consult with the homeopath my dogs and I use. She gives you the remedies you need included in the price. Her name is Willow. She also teaches homeopathy. Phone: 858-793-1104 http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php There’s also a list of vets trained in homeopathy at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet
Time is of the essence. The sooner you treat your dog, the more likely a good reaction.
One more thing: get thorough documentation of the reaction, hour by hour if possible, and make sure it gets into your dog’s file. Then get a signed copy of the file. You need to file for an exemption next time. Also, check out my other articles on vaccinating. Start here: Protecting Dogs From Vaccine Reactions at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/10/08/protecting-dogs-from-vaccine-reactions/ And make sure you read my article on the special risks of vaccinating small dogs; Poms are particularly at risk. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/
November 10th, 2009 at 11:35 am
I am having a very hard time getting anyone to take my dogs post rabies shot aggression serious. He is a very mushy 5 year old and I call him the cruise director of my house. Very loving and lazy boy. About 3 or 4 days after the shot he fought with one of my older dogs and then a week later with the other dog. The other dogs are cowering around him and I have to keep a close eye on him.
I called my vet and they state they have never heard of such a thing and I advised them I have read a lot of articles where this is a side effect of the shot. They advised me to call the drug manufacturer. Which of course they claim there is no proven study to back that “theory” up.
What can I do?? I have a conference call set up with a homeopathic vet in a few days. I am very worried and I do not want to have to separate him from the others.That would traumatize him. But the others are walking around with their heads down and tales between their legs. What can I do. Help Please.
November 10th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Worried About My Boxer: Aggression is a well-documented reaction to the rabies vaccine. Read more at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs Also read this article by holistic vet Michael Dym about rabies vaccine reactions mimicking infection with rabies. He wrote: “My biggest concern with pets are the changes in behavior after being vaccinated. This is usually along the lines of aggression, suspicion, unusual fears, etc. The essential aspect is a lack of control of impulses.” Read the rest at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies%20vaccinosis.htm You need a vet trained in homeopathy to treat the condition.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
My dog is 3 years and 4 month puggle. He got rabies in november 2007 and next due is november 2010. But I’ve wondered that it’s ok to have him vaccinated rabies in december 2009 with DHPP and Bordetella shots? If I have him vaccinated rabies this year, when should he get next rabies?
November 29th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Hye, in a word: No! Bordetella is next to useless, and can have lots of side effects. Read about it at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots It’s also likely that your dog doesn’t need vaccinating against the diseases addressed in DHPP. Get a titer test for parvo and distemper instead. It’s a simple blood test. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/category/titertesting/ Other articles to read: one about avoiding unnecessary shots http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/04/22/no-unnecessary-dog-shots/ and another about the dangers of vaccinating small dogs. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent-revealing/
Re the rabies, don’t ever give it with other shots or worming agents. Once you understand that vaccinating adults dogs is usually more dangerous than not vaccinating, I think you’ll be able to put your mind at ease. I hope you’ll sign up for our free newsletter and this blog to get more information to keep your dog healthy and safe. http://www.dogs4dogs.com It’s free.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I tried leaving a comment yesterday, but it did not post. Will you let me know what I need to do to get it posted ?
Perhaps it was too long of a comment ?
I did think it would be helpful to others in regards to a rabies shot reaction of a high ALP level 3 months after the shot, as well as a low free t4 thyroid, when prior to the rabies shot in july, the dog had normal levels of everything.
Please send me a e-mail on how to post.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Looks like I can now post.
Long story short, our 9 yr. old Dalmatian had normal blood counts on July 2009, the same day as we gave him a rabies shot. 3 months later another blood test showed elevated Alk. Phosphatate levels
of 1200 ish…and extremely low Free t4 Thyroid=Hypothyroid ?
It seems to me that it is more than “coincidence” that he has potential liver and hypothyroid problems 3 months after the rabies shot. Ultrasound showed a slightly enlarged-rounded off liver with a couple of nodules, so vet put him on 2 antibiotics for 14 days, along with Soloxine for hypothyroid.
We are 10 days into that treatment and he has no bad symptoms (but never did, other than the bloodtest levels).
We are so confused and wondering if we should be panicing about the high Alk Phos. levels ? Or, should we leave his body alone to fight off whatever this rabies shot sent into action ?
December 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I took my 18 month old pom to the vet to get a rabies shot and this was the first shot I took her to get since I had her. She got the shot on a Saturday and die the following Saturday. Her illness was so sudden that she died before we could take her to the vet. She had vomiting and diarrhea. She was a happy and healthy dog before we took her to the vet. I thought I was doing the right thing by getting her vaccinated. She got no other shots that day so I know it was the shot that killed her. I was out of town when she died and my husband had to give me the bad news. He called twice to speak to the vet/owner to consult on another pom that also got a rabies shot that day and the girl at the front desk hung up on him.
December 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Margaret, that is so tragic. I’m so sorry.
As soon as you feel up to it, you need to get your dog’s file. You need the vaccine brand and lot # which should be recorded in the file. Then call the vaccine manufacturer. There is a small chance, but a chance nonetheless, that the vaccine was contaminated. At the least, this horrible “adverse reaction” must be reported by the USDA by the manufacturer. (I’d love to know who the manufacturer was.)
If your vet won’t talk to you, and hasn’t reported the reaction, you should report the vet to your state veterinary board. There’s info at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet
I hope you’ll become a supporter of the Rabies Challenge Fund. It is our one hope. http://www.rabieschallengefund.org
I can only imagine your sadness. Take care.
Try your vet again and ask him
December 15th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Thanks Jan for the comment. I will look at the print out that they gave me I think it has the lot number. I will check to see if it was contaminated. I plan to write a letter to the vet to see if I get a response that way.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:44 am
HELP! My 12-year-old snoodle has had reactions to his rabies shots. These include ijnection-site tumors which had to be surgically removed tbecause they grew so large. NOW I’M FEELING QUITE HELPLESS. Toby now has cogestive heart failure and is on several very powerful medications just to keep him alive. My state of Massachusetts demands that very dog have a rabies shot or they will not issue a license. Well, Toby is due for a shot but I refuse because of his condition. If I do not get the license, they’ll take him away. I’m feeling that the only solution is to move to another state. Does anyone know of an exemption process in Mass?
December 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Donna, Massachusetts was considering a bill allowing exemptions for health. You can read about it here. http://aimees-law.blogspot.com/2009/04/update-ma-weighs-bill-to-grand-ragies.html I don’t know what happened with it. Write me privately and I’ll give you some names to contact about it. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/contact
Hang in there. Laws change because of cases like yours.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
My Maltese,Wally, just had his second rabies shot at 16 months of age. After having a reaction with his first rabies vaccine at 6 mo. in combination with an unauthorized flea shampoo 2 wks later and the resulting neurotoxicity, I did have the titers drawn for rabies, paro and distemper before deciding. The rabies titer was low and I chose not to ask for an exemption. We take Wally to our house in Vieques, PR and 60% plus of the the mongoose population is projected to be infected with the rabies virus which makes it too risky for him should he come in contact with one. The titers cost $250. Tp mitigate injury from the vac., immediately prior to the vaccination, he had an acupuncture treatment and then he had another treatment the next day. At this point he seems to be fine and has had no change in health. It does seem like a large expense, but when I factor in how much effort I make for this dog with a home cooked organic diet and everything else. it is the only thing that makes sense.
December 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
My post posted but then it vanished. I wanted to know if a state that requires rabies shots every three years can still make you get two shots in a row, not more than a year apart, for rabies.
I’m talking about NYS. This is what they are doing here, and even the free clinics will only certify you for one year if you can’t prove a previous rabies shot on your dog.
I have shelties and they are small dogs, and I think two of those rabies shots in one year might ruin my dogs.
Thanks.
C. Battles
Southern Tier, NYS
December 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Hi, I stumbled across your site while in desperation and after returning from another Sunday emergency visit to the Vet. In October of 2009 I purchased two beautiful Borzois from New Jersey. They had the usual health cert’s prior to shipment which included Rabies.
The breeder informed me that they would be due for their last series of shots 2 wks after arrival. Approximately 4 weeks after arrival and 4.5 weeks after their rabies shot I took them to my Vet. because one of them had huge lymph nodes on her neck. He diagnosed her with tonsillitis, put her on antibiotics, gave them both their last series of shots INCLUDING RABIES!
I was shocked when I paid the bill because I had not requested the shot and he was aware that they had recently shipped and that rabies was required to do so. I was upset, but the receptionist reassured me that it was harmless and took it off of my bill. The dog did not improve, in fact she got worse. I took her to another vet. who diagnosed her with “puppy strangles” and put her on more antibiotics and steroids. She also said that she was anemic but had no idea why. There still wasn’t any improvement and the dog continued to worsen.
I researched puppy strangles and this dog did not display those symptoms. I took her back to the first Vet. only to be told that he was sticking with his diagnosis of tonsillitis and he put her on one of the strongest antibiotics that is made. Within five days I called yet another Vet. and told her that my dog was dying! By now she was emaciated, lethargic and had been running a fever for days. This Vet. took her off of the antibiotics and did labs 2 days later. Her red and white blood counts were normal and her tonsils, although still swollen, had no bacteria.
Today I rushed her in because her fever was 106 degrees and I could no longer handle her screaming. Yes, screaming, and for no apparent reason! She also will thrash around like she doesn’t know how to get up. The current Vet. is now considering an autoimmune problem and has put her back on steroids. I told her about the double dose rabies vaccines and she did raise an eyebrow. I am begging for any information that may help with a diagnosis on this five month old puppy.
Sincerely,
Sherry Lawson
December 20th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Hi Sherry. Two doses of rabies and antibiotics and steroids — it’s a wonder the poor thing is still alive.
If it were my dog, I would contact Dr. Kruesi at http://www.crvetcenter.com. He consults by phone when you send in your blood tests and other diagnostic data. He specializes in difficult cases and I’ve seen him work wonders. He has treated my dog with autoimmune liver disease for years. His diagnosis is pretty inexpensive. Ask them about costs.
You can work through your vet or with Dr. Kruesi directly. Since your vets are clueless, there’s no reason to pay the extra money for a second vet. Anyway, that’s just my opinion.
I believe you should stoop going to conventional vets. All they know are steroids and antibiotics, and you’ve done that already. I suggest you need to give you puppy some probiotics to help rebuild intestinal health after the antibiotics. Scroll to the bottom of this page and read about discontinuing antibiotics and giving probiotics. http://www.dogs4dogs.com/Tear%20Stains.html
As an alternative, you can try to find a holistic vet near you, especially one with homeopathy training. That’s the only way I know of to reverse vaccinosis. Find a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet
When you’re up to it, you need to report the first vet to your state veterinary board for vaccinating your puppy with the second rabies shot without your informed consent.
I hope this helps, and wish you good luck. (May I post your story on my blog so that others can see the problems caused by reckless vaccination?)
All the best,
Jan
December 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Dear Jan,
Thank you for your prompt response. I am very disturbed over all of this and I’m so fearful that my other Borzoi puppy may start to show symptoms. The only thing that I have noticed in her after the double rabies is she seems to be off in her hips, kind of wobbly sometimes. If you have any more info. or suggestions I would be eternally grateful. Have you heard of any one else who’s dog has has the same or similar symptoms?
I would like to ad that the “screaming” issue with this dog reminds me of my grandson…when he was born he was the easiest baby and slept almost all night from the time he was brought home from the hospital. At 3 months he had a series of vaccines and within 24 hrs he began to SCREAM! He did not stop for a year and a half. My daughter inlaw is a nurse and she began looking into the side effects of vaccines and they believe that was the problem. My grandson is now 12 years old and is borderline autistic.
You have my permission to post my story on your blog. Please send me the link so I can follow along. Once again, thank you and please pray for Sophia, as the Vet. has little hope for her.
December 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Sherry, go to http://www.dogs4dogs.com/truth4dogs and read about reactions. Also check out http://www.dogs4dogs.com/rabies%20vaccinosis.htm
Don’t give up on your dog. Give up on your vet! I really think your best chance is homeopathy, preferably with a homeopathy-trained vet or at least a homeopath who does animals. My homeopath, who does me and my dogs, will treat your dog by phone for $70 including remedies. Her name is Willow. http://www.ajamed.com/about-us/practitioners.php
Take care,
Jan
January 2nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
Do you have a Pug? Are you worried about possible vaccine reactions? Check out this study. Dr. Jean Dodds has volunteered her Hemopet facility as a repository for blood samples that will be used in a DNA study to discover any markers that could be used to determine susceptibility to adverse vaccine reactions in the Pug. Learn more at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/pug_dna_research_study.htm
January 18th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Sydney, 12 year old Maltese recovering from spinal surgery- given rabies shot this morning at 9 AM – reacted strongly an hour later – panting, crying, whining, Obviously in a lot of neuro pain, sensitive to touch, yelping when moved. gave baby aspirin and boiled chicken – two hours later MUCH better. Still not perfect – and I will NEVER put him through this again (obviously they have changed the formula recently and Syd – already being “unhealthy” should never have been administered the shot) will document and get an exemption for next year – or never to to a vet again, if unsucessful.
January 18th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Hi Yvonne. Watch your dog carefully. If you see any tearing, vomiting or seizures, get to your vet immediately.
I suggest you dump the vet who vaccinated a dog still recovering from surgery. Find a list of holistic vets at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vet Your dog should have some homeopathic therapy.
Also, report your dog’s reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. Vets are supposed to, but rarely do.
Good luck. If you happen to live near So. Cal., check out our safer pet vaccination seminar. http://www.petseminar.org
January 20th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Horrifying stories, all of them. Mine has a happier ending which I want to share as encouragement. In 2007, my 11 lbs. malti-poo developed a golf-ball sized lump 4″ from the rabies injection site 2 wks. later. She’d also had DLP in the opposite shoulder. She was about 7 yrs. old and had had annual immunizations and then 3 yr. immunizations previously, on “schedule.” The lump was horrible and scary-looking. It was needle-biopsied: “foreign matter inclusion” bodies. Luckily the lump disappeared just prior to scheduling surgery to have it removed 6 MONTHS LATER.
Thanks to receiving “Scared Poopless” as a gift, I had the links to further research vaccination reactions and decided that’s what my dog had probably had. Her vet totally resisted the idea, does not “believe in” titer tests etc. I actually contacted several vets and they either didn’t seem to know about, or wouldn’t admit to, any problems with vaccinating, and said it “couldn’t be proved” that had been my dog’s problem.
Long story short, I got the titer test and found my girl is very well protected against distemper, parvo and rabies. With this info in hand, I’ve finally found an understanding vet. Jan and Dr. Jean Dodds were so helpful and encouraging, I am so very grateful. At age 10, my girl will likely will never need a vaccination again. Yes, I have donated to the Rabies Challenge Fund and will continue to do so as funds permit. This vaccination insanity must stop.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Carolyn, how exciting! A happy story.
I’m so glad Jean and I were able to be of help and am delighted you have donated to the Rabies Challenge Fund. BTW, do you know about my Safer Pet Vaccination seminar in San Diego in March? Drs. Dodds and Schultz are speaking and it benefits the RCF. If you’re anywhere near here, I hope you’ll come. And please tell your friends. http://www.PetSeminar.org
Thanks so much for writing. The sad stories tend to be so depressing and people don’t often follow up on the happy endings.
January 25th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Hello again Jan ! I was question #120 on Dec. 4, 2009. This is a follow up. Our dalmatian had another blood test with Jean Dodds on Jan. 12, 2010 and his Alk. Phos. levels went back down to high 200 range from 1200 previously. He has been on Soloxine for approx. 6 wks now, so it looks like we found a good Thyroid level, according to the bloodwork. HOWEVER, since we started the Soloxine, our dog now has had an ear infection. The infection started after 2 wks. of the initial “high dose” that is traditionally given for 4 wks to find out a “maintenance” dose. After 2 weeks of the high dose of Soloxine, our dog went nuts with drinking excessive water and head shaking (ear infection) so we bumped up the next blood test so we could reduce the Soloxine level sooner. I read that excessive Thyroid hormones can cause ear infections, so I was wondering if anyone else had this happen to them after Soloxine, and what they did about it long term. Otomax has helped a bit, but after 2 long 8 day and another 8 day (can’t continue to give because of steriods) our dog still has a bit of swelling and reddness down inside with Vet’s otoscoping.
SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE HIS BODY TAKE OVER AND HEAL ITSELF NOW ? THE VET KEEPS RECOMMENDING MORE OTOMAX AND T8 FLUSHES,,,CAN WE BE OVER-TREATING HIM ?
He NEVER had ear problems in his 9 years, or allergies before. This can NOT be just a coincidence with the start of the Soloxine. We would appreciate any other comments or shared stories on this. THANK YOU !
February 15th, 2010 at 12:55 am
I do dog rescue and recently had a batch of dogs spayed/neutered and rabies vaccinated (on Feb.3rd). After I got them home I noticed that one was breaking with kennel cough which is not unusual as all of my rescues come from shelters. However, about 2 days after his vaccine, I noticed that he seemed to be ‘off balance’. It was subtle at first, but has progressively gotten worse. He stumbles around sideways and sometimes even falls over now. He does not act sick, he is hopping around, wagging his tail and is eating. I began to wonder if it wasn’t a reaction to his rabies vaccine. I see here that it can effect the CNS.
I will be contacting my vet but I was wondering if you know if this is usually a permanent or a temporary type reaction.
He is a 2 yr. old Poodle mix.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Valerie
Phoenix, AZ
February 16th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Hi Valerie. I don’t have any stats, but it is my belief that your best option is homeopathy. Dogs having problems with rear-end function can be victims of rabies vaccinosis. Find a vet who understands homeopathy. There are referral lists at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets Don’t expect this to just go away.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
We had our 10 year old Rottweiller vaccinated for rabies to get his license renewed as required by Michigan law. Almost exactly 24 hours later he had a major seizure. He had never before had a seizure. Less than an hour later he had another major seizure. When he came out of the seizure he staggered about -running into things and walking in circles. He dragged his feet on one side as he walked and was unreposive to us. We took him back to the vet,who felt that he had a stroke and did not think it was related to the vaccine-but Ihave my doubts. He was quite healthy up to that day. We made the painful decision to have him euthanized as his condition continued to decline rapidly. He had rabies vaccines his whole life without incident, so we don’t know what to think.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Cathy, vets generally don’t want to attribute vaccine reactions to the shot they have just given, even if common sense says it has to be attributed to the shot. Here’s some info, from the founder of the RabiesChallengeFund.org:
Immunologically, rabies vaccines are the most potent of the veterinary vaccines and “are the most common group of biological products identified in adverse event reports received by the CVB [Center for Veterinary Biologics].”[2][2] They are associated with significant adverse reactions such as polyneuropathy “resulting in muscular atrophy, inhibition or interruption of neuronal control of tissue and organ function, incoordination, and weakness.”[3][3] Auto-immune hemolytic anemia,[4][4] autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel, and central nervous system; anaphylactic shock; aggression; seizures; epilepsy; and fibrosarcomas at injection sites are all linked to the rabies vaccine. [5][5] [6][6] It is medically unsound for this vaccine to be given more often than is necessary to maintain immunity.
Here are two webpages to check: http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/education/why-challenge-current-rabies-vaccine-policy and http://www.dogs4dogs.com/dog-seizures-and-vaccination
I don’t want to upset you, but why wouldn’t your vet suggest seizure meds? Or consult a holistic vet to see if anything could be done?
I hope you’ll contact the manufacturer of the vaccine and report what happened. Also make sure your vet does the same. He/she should already have done this, but my guess is that he/she didn’t.
I hear heartbreaking stories like yours all the time. I hope you’ll support the http://www.rabieschallengefund.org. If you happen to live in So. Calif., check out our Safer Pet Vaccination Seminar. http://www.petseminar.org
There are many of us with dogs suffering from rabies vaccination. I hope you’ll join us. And please accept our condolences.
March 7th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Jan,
Thanks for all you are doing to educate the public. As a dog rescuer of many years, I have seen many preventable tragedies caused by vaccines. Last year, a shelter asked me to take a 3 lb Chihuahua who began having seizures within 24 hours of getting his first rabies vaccine. While the public is beginning to grasp that all dogs receive the same dose of vaccine, most don’t realize that the dose of vaccine is 1/2 of what a 1200 horse receives: 1 ml for dogs versus 2 ml for a horse. Naturally, the vet refused to admit that the rabies vaccine caused the seizures, and wanted to put the Chihuahua on phenobarbital immediately. He told the owners that it would cost $200 a month in blood tests to check the phenobarbital levels. They returned the poor Chihuahua to the shelter because they could not afford to keep him. I was asked to take him, and had them put him on Milk Thistle immediately. Many “seizures” are caused by liver inflammation brought on by vaccines, and Milk Thistle has helped many dogs here. The little Chi, Ignacio, is doing wonderfully, and is medication-free. Sadly, I am afraid to adopt him out because he can NEVER have another vaccine, but most vets would vaccinate him anyway. Most adopters, even after signing a contract to not vaccinate, will allow the vet to bully them into vaccinating. I have had vets agree to not vaccinate dogs with seizures before their client adopts the dog, and turn around and try to push vaccines on their first visit with the dog. It is at the point that I tell people, “If you want your dog to live a long, healthy life, avoid veterinarians”. With the exception of surgeries such as dentals and spaying and neutering, it is my opinion that the vast majority of vets cause more harm to dogs and cats than help. The creed of medicine is, “First do no harm”, yet vets are causing horrible illnesses and death in many pets with vaccines. Whether it is greed or stupidity driving them, only they can say. With so much overwhelming evidence regarding the danger of vaccines, I can’t grasp why aren’t connecting the dots, other than they are making a great deal of money vaccinating and treating the damage caused by vaccines.
Thank you again for your life-saving website!
March 10th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
My 17 week old Malti-poo was given his rabies shot. As a new puppy mom I followed the advice of our vet to have him vaccinated. I was not advised of any risks or possible side effects.(Stupid me, I am now an avid online researcher) My 6lb. pup began having tremblors. This was on a Friday.I called the vet and asked if it was related to the vaccine. I was told probably not, but give him some baby Benadryl and if it didn’t clear up call the vet on Monday. On Saturday I took him back to the vet’s office and an assistant didn’t see anything out of the ordinary but again advised me to call on Monday. By Tuesday, my little guy looked like he had Parkinson’s, his little head shaking back and forth. We rushed him to the emergency where he was kept for two days, given a battery of tests and x-rays, I.V. and hundreds of dollars later, I brought him home. He is now going through metal detox. Had I known about the dangers of this vaccine, I would have never put my baby through it. It’s imperative to be your pet’s own advocate!!!!
March 11th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Hi Angelina. It’s very important that you get all your dog’s reactions detailed in his file. Get a copy of the file, and get the reaction page signed. You’ll want to apply for an exemption next time.
Make sure you report the reaction to the vaccine manufacturer. You’ll need brand and lot #. Ask you vet to report it, too, and follow up to make sure it gets done. Check the label. I bet your vet gave a shot containing mercury (thimerosol). If it doesn’t, it will say TF or thimerosol free.
I find your vet’s behavior unacceptable. Your dog should have been seen right away and the vaccine should have been immediately suspected. Since you weren’t warned about side effects, you should report your vet to your state veterinary medical board. This is the only way things will change.
Find a vet with training in homeopathy. There’s a referral list at http://www.dogs4dogs.com/vets This is your dog’s best chance for recovery. Keep advocating, and tell your friends.
If you’re anywhere near So. California, come to our Safer Pet Vaccination Seminar on March 28. It benefits the study of the rabies vaccine.